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Assuming it comes next episode, the merge should be interesting. The tribes are currently 6-5. Will Tony be unable to get Sarah to come on board, just because he shouted "Top 5!"? Will L.J. be unable to get Jeremiah to come back with him? I think there's a decent chance that one or both will flip, especially since both Sarah and Jeremiah should be feeling on the bottom of their current tribe, but have connections to the "leaders" of the other tribe. That would leave Brains+Morgan in the minority, and if so, Spencer should be the first one they target. Very unpredictable game right now, but L.J.'s in pretty good shape, I think. Even in a worst-case scenario for him, where neither Sarah nor Jeremiah flip, he could use an idol to save himself. mancalamania posted:Tony was definitely great casting. On paper, he and Brad Culpepper are very similar players, so I couldn't really tell you why I find Tony so likable and Brad such an rear end in a top hat.
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My question is tony going to be reunited with his #spyshack?
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One thing that seems weird is why do a tribal raid when you are just going to do a merge immediately after it? The producers surely got lucky that it generated the drama that it did this episode, but it really doesn't seem like a great reward.
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James315 posted:Assuming it comes next episode, the merge should be interesting. The tribes are currently 6-5. Will Tony be unable to get Sarah to come on board, just because he shouted "Top 5!"? Will L.J. be unable to get Jeremiah to come back with him? I think there's a decent chance that one or both will flip, especially since both Sarah and Jeremiah should be feeling on the bottom of their current tribe, but have connections to the "leaders" of the other tribe. Oh, and like I said earlier, I think Jeremiah and original Beauty are done. His unconsummated alliance with Morgan and Brice hit him a lot harder than it needed to, but it really did seem to blow up on him pretty badly over there for sure. TMMadman posted:One thing that seems weird is why do a tribal raid when you are just going to do a merge immediately after it? The producers surely got lucky that it generated the drama that it did this episode, but it really doesn't seem like a great reward. Fast Luck fucked around with this message at 16:41 on Mar 27, 2014 |
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Mar 27, 2014 16:38
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TMMadman posted:One thing that seems weird is why do a tribal raid when you are just going to do a merge immediately after it? The producers surely got lucky that it generated the drama that it did this episode, but it really doesn't seem like a great reward. Lindsay quitting effectively made them skip a week, and it might have been too late to change plans.
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Milovan Drecun posted:Kass is alright, she seems to have the right mindset for the game and isn't completely useless in challenges. She isn't some coat-rider and could potentially be the Brain to break, probably (and possibly with Tasha) at Spencer's expense. And Tony may be the bigger liability in challenges, I can recite a list of things he has hosed up and times he has lagged behind everyone (terrible swimmer, for example). I feel like Kass and Spencer are products of a bad initial tribe and have survived the fire leaving them in powerful positions (as powerful as people without HII can be, at least). Tasha and Spencer made the same mistake early game, attaching themselves to incompetent allies. Kass could have gone for J'Tia sooner, but was Garrett really any better? This post makes a lot of sense, but it would require people to smartly act in their own best interest which will probably not happen with this group.
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Lone Goat posted:Lindsay quitting effectively made them skip a week, and it might have been too late to change plans. That's a good point, although it still doesn't seem like that great of a reward. I guess it's meant more to mess with a tribe because if the orange tribe had won they could only take a weaker version of the stuff they already had at camp.
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TMMadman posted:That's a good point, although it still doesn't seem like that great of a reward. I guess it's meant more to mess with a tribe because if the orange tribe had won they could only take a weaker version of the stuff they already had at camp. I'm not so sure the drama caused by the clue isn't exactly why it's happening now.
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Adjunct Cheesecake posted:This post makes a lot of sense, but it would require people to smartly act in their own best interest which will probably not happen with this group. An afterthought: the Brains partnered with Sarah, Woo, Morgan, and Jeremiah actual weakens the Brains. That's a four that is more likely to happen than the proposed four with Alexis (since Morgan and Jeremiah seem willing to work together now, especially at the expense of other beauties AND Woo and Sarah have no explicit animosity). It balances itself nicely with two Brawn and two Beauties and could stay strong if it reached the seven. At the same time, the Brains will happily move forward with it since it has some already established weaknesses and is necessary to deal with the slew of idols they could (and we know, will) run into. I also had problems, that I forgot to mention, with Tony's half-baked attempt on Jeremiah, which isn't really all that impressive. He's lucky to have Jeremiah and the Brains so terribly misplay/misread the entire situation. Had he left the clue (like he almost did), he'd be outed as the complete snake he is. As I've mentioned, he still has potentially let that happen by even involving Woo (though the early merge is screwing him in this regard). But if his intention was to target a strong player like he said (presumably male, because that's how Tony thinks), then he should have tried it on Spencer. The biggest flaw in the entire play was giving it to a former Beauty, who could verify things about the clue having been over there. Spencer would quite possibly see right through it, which really doesn't make the move any better, but at the most he would be suspicious and confused (whereas Jeremiah now has a reason to work against Tony). Now, maybe he really targeted Jeremiah because Jeremiah is a moron, but he didn't say that. In the end it kind of sort of worked, but was it really a stroke of genius? I don't believe so and now he'll be lucky if it doesn't hurt him. Tony seems way too inflated, which is a shame because with just a touch better play and that kind of manipulative attitude he could go far. But at some point people are going to see him for what he is and it'll catch up to him. If these people are moronic, as Adjunct Cheesecake says, then Tony fans get excited! But I just can't see him lasting when the Brains have no reason to trust him, LJ doesn't actually trust him, he flipped on Woo already, he made a public profession alienating Sarah, he burnt any possibility to use Jeremiah (the games most malleable tool!). He's so short on real allies and potentials, it'll take true stupidity to let him win. We shall see... sportsgenius86 posted:Kass' problem is that she overshares at Tribal most of the time and she doesn't seem able to convince anyone to do anything. I don't think she's capable of speaking in tone that isn't easily read as condescending. Edit: no more words, I swear.
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Fast Luck posted:How excited was she to see LJ and Jefra still alive? Yeah, this is what sunk her. As soon as she had that reaction publicly I knew she was done. May as well say how happy she was that her previous alliance that she wanted to return to was still intact.
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Milovan Drecun posted:Agreed, but I do see her as active enough to become a late game player without being stereotyped as an older woman who made it far by tying in with someone else (TRISH). And that's probably why she hasn't been putting herself out there trying to dictate much, to save her double-crossing for when it's most effective. I think the Brains are smart to stick together (it gives them really equal odds if they make it to the final three) but depending on how things shake out, there may be space to effectively break. Kass seems savvy enough to do it. I think she actually has high Sandra potential. The major difference I see is Sandra had self-awareness and Kass doesn't. Sandra knows well that she rubs people the wrong way so she only seems to speak up when she knows it's going to cause a riff among other people and she can fade into the background. Kass lacks that ability from what I've seen. If Sarah goes against Kass' group, I see Kass being the next one out. If she goes along with Kass, I see Kass being the "we have the advantage regardless so let's boot her now" victim.
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TMMadman posted:One thing that seems weird is why do a tribal raid when you are just going to do a merge immediately after it? The producers surely got lucky that it generated the drama that it did this episode, but it really doesn't seem like a great reward. So when they merge, they can have all the nice stuff at one camp!
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Mar 27, 2014 23:06
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sportsgenius86 posted:Alexis sounds like Cecily Strong in that SNL skit where she's a pornstar on a home shopping channel I said the exact same thing watching last night's episode.
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Mar 28, 2014 01:31
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I bet Morgan gets picked for Big Brother this summer. She seems the type.
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I can't wait for Wednesday to see if Tony totally blows his little scheme when he sees that Alexis is gone instead of Jeremiah by saying something like "The plan didn't work!" or making it otherwise obvious he expected Jeremiah to be gone.
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Mar 28, 2014 13:50
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Unrelated to anything, but why do they call it Ponderosa? Was it sponsored by the steakhouse?
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Tony took his head out of the game. For some bizarre reason, he seems to honestly believe he has it all sewn up and he just has to walk to the end. Yelling 'top 5', coming clean on all your lies, these are things you do when the game is all but over - but we aren't even at the freaking merge yet. He's in extreme hubris mode and it's going to bite him in the rear end for coming across as arrogant (see LJ's confessional). Worse, he's so sure of himself he's probably going to miss things going on right under his nose. I expect him to get blindsided rather harshly to be honest.
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I feel like Tony is going to go out in the most hilarious way and have a complete meltdown getting there.
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I'd put  on him being the first jury member.
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Bjay9 posted:I'd put It'd be hilarious if it happened but don't forget he has an idol. It's huge, and he needed it so much. *heavy breathing* That clip alone should have secured Tony a spot on All Stars.
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So when the new super powered idol comes in, are the old idols taken away or do they stay in? Also I kind of want Tony to find the new idol just to here what he'll say.
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BGrifter posted:That clip alone should have secured Tony a spot on All Stars. Tony's not someone who could ever do well on an All Stars/as a returnee, since his game requires the people around him to not understand what he is actually like. It's the same reason Russell went down in flames in Redemption Island and why he'd never be remotely successful in another season of Survivor; the people he was playing with had seen him in previous seasons (the only reason Russel got far in two seasons was because they were back to back and so the HvV contestants hadn't seen his performance in the prior season). If Tony returns, everyone's going to know he's full of poo poo and won't fall for anything he says, making him a boring castaway who'll get the axe sooner than later.
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I actually think Tony would get the Phillip/Coach treatment as a returnee not the Russell one. The odd moment of brilliance aside he's shown himself to be a self destructive lunatic and not a threat to win at all. Veteran players would be smart enough to take advantage of that for a while. Plus even if he did end up a quick boot the confessionals we'd get out of it would easily justify his presence. Not every returnee can be Boston Rob, some get brought back just because they're fun to watch.
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Uh no, Tony being bugnuts crazy is exactly why he should be a returnee for All stars. edit: Why would he ever get a russel edit anyways?
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Shakugan posted:If Tony returns, everyone's going to know he's full of poo poo and won't fall for anything he says, making him a boring castaway who'll get the axe sooner than later. How do you explain Coach? The guy was completely off his rocker and made it far in his seasons. Tony may be full of poo poo, just like Coach, Phillip, but he doesn't seem maliciously mean like Russell.
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Of course Tony is malicious. He constantly looks for ways to mislead people at every opportunity then gloats about it in his confessionals with a big poo poo eating grin on his face. Look, I think Tony is good TV. But he's pretty much a poster child for reality show villain and I don't think anyone would rank empathy very high up on his list of qualities.
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Tony isn't a reality show villain at all, he's a freak sideshow like Phillip or Coach. Fairplay, Russell, Parvati were all villains. Frankly Tony isn't good enough at Survivor to be a real villain. Tony is just an amusing train wreck. Always need a couple of those on any good All Stars season.
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BGrifter posted:It'd be hilarious if it happened but don't forget he has an idol. It's huge, and he needed it so much. *heavy breathing* My thinking would be that they misdirect a vote towards LJ but move to take Tony out instead but that would be way too obvious and someone is going to gently caress it up and Jeremiah will probably go home.
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Lone Goat posted:Unrelated to anything, but why do they call it Ponderosa? Was it sponsored by the steakhouse? I think it's 'cause you Ponder all the horrible mistakes you made and how dumb and bad you are while everyone else is still playing.
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Metropolis posted:I think it's 'cause you Ponder all the horrible mistakes you made and how dumb and bad you are while everyone else is still playing. I always figured it was a reference to the Ponderosa Ranch from Bonanza.
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Toaster Ding posted:Tony took his head out of the game.
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Fast Luck posted:I really think he did both those things on purpose to try to pull together his tribe and make them all feel tight. He told them about his lies so they would know he really trusted them enough to share his secrets. (He saw how well the cop confession worked with Sarah, and thinks other people also love cops like Sarah does.) Right. But as LJ pointed out in his confessional, telling everyone - "hey guys I'm a big non-stop liar!  " is a really dumb move in Survivor.For some reason, in Tony's brain, he's already got the title and now he can just calm down and be buddy buddy with everyone until they write him the check. And when you turn your brain off and stop paying attention, thats when you get taken out.
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Why would they even cast 2 cops for the show? Let alone put them on the same tribe. The camaraderie that exists in the profession is pretty much unmatched save a select few others. Maybe that's why, to see what would happen? I dunno I guess we'll find out.
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maniacripper posted:Why would they even cast 2 cops for the show? Let alone put them on the same tribe. I think they chose two very different kinds of cop. The superloyal cop who's main self-identity in life is being a cop, and the "guy you wouldn't be particularly surprised to find out is crooked" cop. I think the crooked cop streamrolling the loyal cop is exactly the story they were going for.
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So let's say the last Survivor season I saw was season 2. Which ones between then and now were some of the better seasons? e: Thanks, for some reason I thought I read the OP where it lists that but apparently I'm dumb. doomisland fucked around with this message at 03:26 on Mar 29, 2014 |
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doomisland posted:So let's say the last Survivor season I saw was season 2. Which ones between then and now were some of the better seasons? Haha, we have the conversation a lot. I'd say to check the OP but at last check it had spoilers. Pearl Islands, China, Tocantins are good ones to start with, IMO. Especially Pearl Islands since it's still early but offers a lot of good gameplay and a lot of good characters who return in other seasons.
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Toaster Ding posted:Right. But as LJ pointed out in his confessional, telling everyone - "hey guys I'm a big non-stop liar!
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Mar 29, 2014 03:43
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You know, I hate saying it, but I really liked Palau.
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Why do you hate saying it? Palau's pretty well-regarded. Can't think of many gripes fans would have about it, aside from Jonathan and Wanda getting screwed.
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