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FrozenDorf posted:Anyone remember the old GW-themed Bolt Thrower stuff? I can't be the only person who liked that... right? It's all about D-ROK https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LE1wSSZ-iFs We're so loud you wanna die Shake it up baby don't be shy We're so loud you wanna die go forth and amplify Here come the Noise Marines D-ROK is loving terrible
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FrozenDorf posted:Anyone remember the old GW-themed Bolt Thrower stuff? I can't be the only person who liked that... right? Everyone loves the Realm of Chaos album, don't worry. World Eater is a staple of their live shows. WOOOOORLD EATERRRRRR! 
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Gravitas Shortfall posted:Here come the Noise Marines kek.
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Gravitas Shortfall posted:It's all about D-ROK Take it back.
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Mar 29, 2014 22:06
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“God love you anyway,’ the carrier replied, moving on. Grammaticus shuddered. What the water-carrier had actually said literally translated as, "The Primordial Annihilator immolate your living soul.” The most 40k thing I've ever read. “You are speaking Sinhala well, but I read Farsi vowels underneath, and something else. You are Uzbek or Azerbaijani.” This book has so many historical references. Actual ethnicities, falxes (yes, falxes), hetmen, bashaws, Greek mythology, anything Mediterranean or Balkans imaginable. - Legion Noctis Horrendae fucked around with this message at 05:25 on Mar 30, 2014 |
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Mar 30, 2014 05:16
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What book was that from?
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Mar 30, 2014 05:21
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Legion by Dan Abnett, I think. Lore question: it seems almost every genuinely magical object in WH40K is an unholy daemon-possessed thing. Are there any Warp-imbued objects that DON'T draw on unholy power?
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Mar 30, 2014 14:28
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Noctis Horrendae posted:- Legion Baron Bifford posted:Lore question: it seems almost every genuinely magical object in WH40K is an unholy daemon-possessed thing. Are there any Warp-imbued objects that DON'T draw on unholy power?
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Mar 30, 2014 15:19
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Isn't there a piece of gear made from a small piece of the emperors amour that captains and stuff wear instead of a helmet?
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Mar 30, 2014 16:19
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That's the crux terminatus, which is on the left shoulder of Terminator armor.
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Sandweed posted:Isn't there a piece of gear made from a small piece of the emperors amour that captains and stuff wear instead of a helmet?
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Mar 30, 2014 16:32
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Sandweed posted:Isn't there a piece of gear made from a small piece of the emperors amour that captains and stuff wear instead of a helmet? I think you're conflating the Crux Terminatus which has a piece of the Emp Brah's armour in it and the refractor field which is used by officers in the Imperial guard.
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Mar 30, 2014 16:34
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FrozenDorf posted:One of my, if not the, favorite book from HH. It's definitely my favourite so far. Ancient history in space is never a bad thing.
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Mar 30, 2014 16:55
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The Wolf of Ash and Fire by Graham McNeill is the most animu bit of 30k I've read so far. That's not to say it wasn't enjoyable. Being free also didn't hurt.
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New Ciaphas Cain audio coming soon. On the one hand, goddamned Tyranids again. On the other, finally some Dark Eldar. I guess we'll see, though the way 'The Greater Good' went I'm not filled with confidence.
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AndyElusive posted:The Wolf of Ash and Fire by Graham McNeill is the most animu bit of 30k I've read so far. That's not to say it wasn't enjoyable. Being free also didn't hurt. I don't see how you can make the Emperor NOT animu as all hell in combat, though. I did like how Sejanus was incredibly stoked to fight, and even more so when he gets to fight alongside Horus and the Emprah. If he'd said 'let's do it again!' after they bug out of the collapsing core I would not have been one bit surprised.
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Baron Bifford posted:Legion by Dan Abnett, I think. John Grammaticus found a spear head made of vulcanized sand that was created by the Emperor's power. But he used it (potentially) to further the Cabal's agenda.
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So I just finished of Scars by Chris Wraight. I liked it, but I'm still reeling from the train wreck that was The Unremembered Empire. Abnett has to watch out, Wraight is becoming quite proficient in doing good bolter porn. Also, his character description is actually decent for being BL. I especially liked his primarch descriptions, since neither Jaghatai or Russ behaved like big man-children. The inclusion of Mortarion however...... I also read Blood of Asaheim and it is kinda interesting how the Death Guard relates to sorcerors. From Scars, we learn that Mortarion is one of the main proponents for the Edict of Nikea. However in Blood of Asaheim, we encounter Plague Marine sorcerers. Seems like Mortarions rebellion backfired on him right from the start.
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Cardiac posted:I also read Blood of Asaheim and it is kinda interesting how the Death Guard relates to sorcerors. Which is hilarious, because his most trusted advisor, Calas Typhon, was supposed to originally be the Chief Librarian of the Legion, but now it seems to be retconned as the First Captain, ok fine, but how would he guide the fleet to Terra without psykic abilities and get purposely lost in the warp for the the Legion be converted to Nurgle?
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Angry Lobster posted:Which is hilarious, because his most trusted advisor, Calas Typhon, was supposed to originally be the Chief Librarian of the Legion, but now it seems to be retconned as the First Captain, ok fine, but how would he guide the fleet to Terra without psykic abilities and get purposely lost in the warp for the the Legion be converted to Nurgle? He was both, he was a librarian but because Moratarian hated psykers he stopped using his powers so he could climb the ladder of promotion in the legion. Typhus is all about ambition, he ignored his powers so he could become first captain, and later used his powers and threw in with Nurgle to replace Mortarian as head of the legion
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Cardiac posted:So I just finished of Scars by Chris Wraight. I liked him showing everyone riddled with doubt, and his portrayal of what a wreck Magnus had become was haunting. Just the perfect mix of bitterness, sadness and self-loathing. Jaghatai's response was touching, too, especially compared to the poo poo Lorgar pulled.
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I always feel a little sad Legion didn't end the way I thought/wanted it to: I was actually expecting the Alpha Legion to have been playing double/double/double-cross, and have been loyal to Horus from the start. When the Cabal & chums make their big reveal to the Alpha Legion, it would have been great for them to go 'Yeah, we know. We've always known' *DAKKA DAKKA DAKKA* and would have set them up as the total arseholes they are in the 41st Millenium and still let them use Omegon as the 'good' Primarch option. Just feel like Abnett missed a good option there. Baron Bifford posted:Lore question: it seems almost every genuinely magical object in WH40K is an unholy daemon-possessed thing. Are there any Warp-imbued objects that DON'T draw on unholy power? I always preferred this method (because it drills home there's no evil that we don't create ourselves) but GW have swung back & forth from a fiction POV. Shockeh fucked around with this message at 15:52 on Mar 31, 2014 |
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Shockeh posted:For a long time, it was that the Warp is just a reflection of the Material; The Daemons/Unholy things only exist because the races in the Material know hatred, fury, lust & so on, and the strongest emotions create the strongest reflections. Over the years, they've pendulumed between this viewpoint and the Warp as 'Chtonic things that have always been there & hate us', so it's not the Warp itself that makes them evil, it's that Humanity is a major influence on the Warp and what it produces. I've always liked that particular element of world building and it's not even unique to 40k. World of Darkness (vampire the masquerade) also use it with the mages where in a bunch of mages have convinced humanity that magic isn't real by the introduction of science. And because what humans believe is real becomes reality they've managed to weaken monsters like vampires, ghosts etc. It's a pretty cool little thing and as an added bonus if a normal human see's a mage in that universe cast a spell, it creates a paradox that quite often kills the mage 
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Baron Bifford posted:Legion by Dan Abnett, I think. The Imperium in general has a lot of holiness, some of which is generally supernatural (c.f. the Saint from the Gaunt's Ghosts series, the Emperor, the Grey Knights, etc etc etc.)
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Items seem to be able to be warp-touched or psychically resonant or what have you without being literally possessed by demons.
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It seems to me that the emperor's psychic power remains on things he uses or places where he has used his powers. As far i can tell good versions of the possessed weapons used by chaos, such as a warp entity living inside a physical object, hasn't really been a thing in 40k.
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So, I keep seeing traitor legions where like half the legion or at least a chunk of them stayed loyal while the primarch defected. I kinda wish that, other than Lion'el*, there was a reverse case where the Primach stayed loyal while the legion went bad. *Considering the hints that Luthor actually was loyal and thought Lion had turned when he attacked them,
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Kharn_The_Betrayer posted:As far i can tell good versions of the possessed weapons used by chaos, such as a warp entity living inside a physical object, hasn't really been a thing in 40k.
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bunnyofdoom posted:So, I keep seeing traitor legions where like half the legion or at least a chunk of them stayed loyal while the primarch defected. I kinda wish that, other than Lion'el*, there was a reverse case where the Primach stayed loyal while the legion went bad. White Scars, Dark Angels and kinda the Alpha legion all had factional splits against a loyal primarch. Even if luthor thought he was the loyal one, the scars lodge definitely didn't.
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New Tau book!  It's about an attempt to infiltrate Terra in order to assassinate the Emperor.
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One thing I have been wondering is why Chaos just don't run over the Imperium. At least based on remaining primarchs, Chaos should have a massive advantage. Loyalist Primarchs: Leman Russ (disappeared) Ferrus Manus (dead) Vulkan (likely dead?) Rogal Dorn (probably dead?) Roboute Guilliman (mortally wounded) Lion El'Jonson (sleeping in the Rock) Jaghatai (disappeared) Sanguinius (dead) Corax (disappeared) Traitor Primarchs: Horus (dead) Fulgrim (Demon Prince) Magnus the Red (Demon Prince) Perturabo (Demon Prince) Mortarion (Demon Prince) Lorgar (Demon Prince) Konrad Curze (dead) Angron (Demon Prince) Alpharius/Omegon (1 dead) So in total there are no loyal primarchs anymore. 4 have disappeared and can possible return, whereas 3 are likely dead. In contrast, only 2.5 traitor primarchs are dead and 6 are demon princes and thus more powerful than loyalist ones. Although I guess ascending to daemonhood have made it harder for the Daemon Primarchs to be outside of the Eye of Terror.
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Easy, it's not a matter of who has more primarchs, but the quantity of soldiers and resources avalaible. In that regard, the Imperium is massive and it's still the most powerful faction in the universe, but it's own titanic size makes it slow and unwieldy, it just can't use it's resources effectively. The thing with Chaos is they are divided and they are equally at war among themselves and with the Imperium, that's the reason why the Black Crusades of Abbaddon are so feared, they are the only moment when the forces of Chaos unite and act as a more or less cohesive force. Also, the primarchs are assholes and the majority of them aren't interested in the eternal war anymore.
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Shockeh posted:I always feel a little sad Legion didn't end the way I thought/wanted it to: The thing is Legion built up Alpha Legion as being the faction that always made the hard choices. They were shown two possible futures. One where Horus wins and Humanity dies a quick death because of his grief. Or a war that would see humanity suffer to the last man as they futilly struggle to the last stronghold as they fight against overwhelming odds. Alpha Legion chose the quick death because it was the more merciful option. It is implied thought that the twin primarchs have different agendas. Alpha is loyal to Horus for the original plan to have him quickly snuff out humanity. While Omega has been sabotaging his own Legion and gathering those who think like him in setting up a potential coup that would allow him to betray his legion and chaos in one swoop. I doubt its a plan he would plan on surviving but it seems to be implied that he is loyal and is playing a deep con that he would revel the moment he thinks it would have the greatest impact. The real question is if Alpha or Omega was killed in their attack against the Ultramarines and which of the two was the one to fall.
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Rogal dorn is dead as poo poo. His skeletal hands are what chapter masters use to record their names. They carve them on the knuckle bones.
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my dad posted:New Tau book! Them and their Scooty Puff Jr.'s, can't wait to hear more about this. 
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And yeah, the Daemon Primarchs spend just as much time plotting against each other, supporting their infernal masters or generally just dicking about (Fulgrim) as they do conquering the Imperium. They have literal Infinite Fun Space to play with in the Warp; Why should they care any more about the fate of the lovely little Imperium they came from? Betrayer is excellent in this regard; Potraying Angron as something apart from the 'lunatic' he's actually quite an interesting character, who has been fundamentally damaged by the Butcher's Nails. Without, maybe he'd have been another Gulliman. In contrast, Konrad Curze has generally been portrayed as 'generic evil badass' at best, and 'Evil Batman' the rest of the time.
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Shockeh posted:And yeah, the Daemon Primarchs spend just as much time plotting against each other, supporting their infernal masters or generally just dicking about (Fulgrim) as they do conquering the Imperium. They have literal Infinite Fun Space to play with in the Warp; Why should they care any more about the fate of the lovely little Imperium they came from? I think the Night Lords did a pretty good job portraying Curze as a bitter, fallen hero. Grew up around crime, became the justice he so sought, purchased order through fear, and than went to work on behalf of his father to bring order to the Imperium and Crusade. Worlds would fall compliant if only a rumor of the Night Lords presence was breathed, and than daddy decided he went too far and the rest is history. I also like how Curze is portrayed as untrusting of the ruinous powers, that the Night Lords should try to resist their temptations, although many don't, and that there is no traitors loyalty in the long war. I def agree that he's poorly portrayed in the Horus Heresy series though.
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There is a bit of back and forth in those books though, with some of the other Night Lords saying Curze was much more in line with corruption than Talos ever lets on. Makes it more fun to discuss certainly.
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Agreed, but I think it's a side efect of being portrayed by several different writters of varied quality rather than an intended one. Really liked how Talos though about Curze and how the other members of the Legion viewed him (with amusement) as a rather idealistic fellow in a group of cynics and pragmatics.
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Shockeh posted:Betrayer is excellent in this regard; Potraying Angron as something apart from the 'lunatic' he's actually quite an interesting character, who has been fundamentally damaged by the Butcher's Nails. Without, maybe he'd have been another Gulliman. I think Angron-sans-nails would be more like another Russ - an honorable, post-human technobarbarian. The parallels are foregrounded in the confrontation between the Wolves and the Hounds/World Eaters.
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