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Wheat Loaf
Feb 13, 2012

by FactsAreUseless

Cornwind Evil posted:

With tropers though, again, I just think it's overstimulation. They've whacked off to porn so many times it's not doing it for them, they can't move on to the real thing because they're so socially screwed up, and they still have urges, so they start seeing porn in EVERYTHING, and it's a greater turn on because it's HIDDEN and FORBIDDEN and all that stuff.

I think there was a version of the well-known Geek Social Fallacies article which focused on geek fallacies concerning sex; it mentioned this idea in some detail.

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Arc Hammer
Mar 4, 2013

Got any deathsticks?

corn in the bible posted:

Eryc Bwaune's base of operations is Bwaune Mansion; this gothic looking house seems out of place in the center of Mega-city, a three story Victorian mansion surrounded by towering skyscrapers made of glass and steel.

How can something be both Gothic and Victorian?

Afraid of Audio
Oct 12, 2012

by exmarx

Arcsquad12 posted:

How can something be both Gothic and Victorian?

Remember that words have no meaning in tropeland.

Testekill
Nov 1, 2012

I demand to be taken seriously

:aronrex:

corn in the bible posted:

Eryc Bwaune's base of operations is Bwaune Mansion; this gothic looking house seems out of place in the center of Mega-city, a three story Victorian mansion surrounded by towering skyscrapers made of glass and steel.

Stop that tropers. That makes no sense at all.

Sham bam bamina!
Nov 6, 2012

ƨtupid cat

Afraid of Audio posted:

Remember that words have no meaning in tropeland.
Nightmare Fuel Unleaded High Octane

Penny Paper
Dec 31, 2012

Metal Loaf posted:

I think there was a version of the well-known Geek Social Fallacies article which focused on geek fallacies concerning sex; it mentioned this idea in some detail.

You mean this article? http://pervocracy.blogspot.com/2012/02/geek-social-fallacies-of-sex.html

Hammurabi
Nov 4, 2009

Byde posted:

Has anybody who talks about these animes ever mentioned any specific examples of why these things are god's gift to storytelling and not just say "I dunno, it's deep, metaphor against fascism, it's dark and people die which is real-lifey even though real-life is secretly filled with the guys from V/Terminators/Thought Police/Illuminati/Bydo/Animorphs/etc while we basement dwellers are the real champions of human life and anyone sane is the real subhuman trash."

EDIT: Also every anime argument ever from some site long ago:

Any examples? Because I think you're mixing up TVTropes and /pol/ or maybe /x/.

Also I've never met a nerd who didn't like Mario, unless they were just a hardcore Sonic fanatic.

Cornwind Evil
Dec 14, 2004


The undisputed world champion of wrestling effortposting

Metal Loaf posted:

I think there was a version of the well-known Geek Social Fallacies article which focused on geek fallacies concerning sex; it mentioned this idea in some detail.

It's not quite the same. The GSSF as linked above basically says 'The more unusual your kink, the more 'enlightened' you are', which is also something tropers do. Mine is basically the drug addict version: normal doesn't do it any more and you still have itches you can't scratch, and it affects your perception.

Venusian Weasel
Nov 18, 2011

Krotera posted:

I'm OK with "X is well written" when the person who likes X justifies why they feel that way, and it seems like a sane justification.

From what I can tell people on TVTropes rarely actually do this.

I don't think you really need to justify "well-written". All it means is that the prose rises above mere competence, there's not any glaring plot errors, and the story gets from point A to point B without stumbling. Really, it doesn't say much (neither does "good characterization") and if you're giving something a positive review it should already have those. Now, it may be worth bringing up in a negative or neutral review, just so the reader knows that it's not the writing's fault you didn't connect with the story.

The problem is that because tropers can't find anything else positive they say they just say "well-written, well-characterized" and just leave it to stand on that.

What tropers really need to work on defining is "deep". When you use that you really need to explain what makes writing insightful, emotionally connect, and/or symbolic of an issue. The entire point of bringing it up is to explain that. Instead they just throw it out as code for "this is a mature work for mature people such as myself."

Venusian Weasel fucked around with this message at 10:02 on Mar 28, 2014

Wales Grey
Jun 20, 2012

Arcsquad12 posted:

How can something be both Gothic and Victorian?

Neo-Gothic/Gothic Revival architecture showed up around 1750 and many structures were completed around the time of Queen Victoria. If I had to guess at what the troper was trying to convey, it'd be a structure built in the Victorian style with Gothic elements and flourishes.

My complaint about the description is that the author described something as "Gothic looking" outside spoken dialog. Either it is Gothic or it is not Gothic; say it plainly or you're just wasting words on some mealy-mouthed mishmash of useless description that doesn't mean anything.

Wales Grey fucked around with this message at 10:04 on Mar 28, 2014

Apple Tree
Sep 8, 2013

Cornwind Evil posted:

It's not quite the same. The GSSF as linked above basically says 'The more unusual your kink, the more 'enlightened' you are', which is also something tropers do. Mine is basically the drug addict version: normal doesn't do it any more and you still have itches you can't scratch, and it affects your perception.

Or it could be habit. A lot of geeks' reading and viewing age doesn't progress beyond about twelve, which is why the next big thing is usually Young Adult; at that age lots of kids are more comfortable looking for hints of sex in familiar things than venturing into the scary world of adult porn. Find a space where no one can say, 'Sir? You need to leave the playground now,' and you could just stay in your comfort zone.

Or it could be, to use a word they'd hate, a kind of prudishness. Talking about actual porn involves being too honest about yourself; 'academically' cataloguing your preferred erotica is a cover. You ever read the Porn Clerk Diaries?

quote:

We have to watch the anime section because it's right next to the foreign
films and the tags are the same color, which means a clerk who isn't on his
toes could check out a shitload of hardcore animated underage rape porn to a
kid and yes, once they see that there's sex stuff on some of the boxes kids
definitely try to slide it past.

Mr. Creaky, as you've guessed, was hardly a kid. I would have been
frightened of him if he hadn't been so old and feeble. He would rent a stack
of rape manga at least once a week. He always had the same patter as he came
up to the register: "Do you watch that show The Sopranos?"

"No, sir."

"I hear it's pretty good."

"Yes, sir, that's what I hear too."

"I'd like to watch that show, but I can't. There's too much cussing." Then,
clever ruse in place, he would bring up his tags for Demon Beast.

Anyway, all would have been well had it not been for a well-meaning but
plateheaded clerk name Dan. Dan was a sweetheart, but had an astonishing
ability to gently caress things up. In this case Dan had rented six of our very
foulest titles to a 16-year-old. ...

I talked to my manager. We didn't want to move the whole anime section so we
needed a bright, easy signal for Dan who for some reason still hadn't been
fired yet. Our solution was to let the R-rated stuff slide, but if anything
looked more like an X I highlighted the label on the tag and wrote a big
"NC-17" on it.

Mr. Creaky never came back.

TVTropes probably has a lot of that guy.

Or it could, at the most sympathetic, be the natural human tendency to be attracted to the sort of person who'd actually go out with you, stretched and twisted into weird shapes. People aren't that straightforward, but roughly speaking, a hippy guy's more likely to go for a girl in a floaty skirt than a sharp suit, a biker guy's more likely to go for a girl in a leather jacket than a floaty skirt, and so on. Most of us are more likely to fancy actors in shows we like than shows we don't. Lots of people don't like mainstream porn because they don't like the heavy makeup or whatever, and go for porn that suits their tastes more. If your comfort zone is limited to Disney films ... well, it can get weird.

Or they could just be competing for who can spot the most boobies in everything because they've long ago drifted away from the shores of normal.


In other news: since we were talking about Fantasia, I had a look for Sunflower, the notorious racist caricature that got excised from the Pastoral Symphony section. The right decision for humanitarian reasons. Also the right decision for artistic reasons, because even if you don't care about slavery, a pastoral scene is supposed to be about having your needs all met by nature, not by servants - it's the Pastoral Symphony, not the Aristocratic Symphony, and if you put a slave in the character stop looking innocent and natural and start looking spoilt and ghastly. The Sunflower sequences are just loathsome, so what do the tropers have to say about it?

Well, not much, as it turns out. It pops up as trivia here and there, like this piece of deep analysis:

quote:

The Pastoral Symphony segment from Fantasia initially featured a full-on 'darky' caricature named Sunflower as one of the 'centaurettes'. She was removed in 1969 and, despite the presence of old, uncensored prints, Disney denied her existence until the release of the re-mastered edition in 2000. Walt mentioned the film when he appeared during the 1942 Academy Awards to accept the Irving Thalberg Award. Trying to hold back tears, he said, in reference to making Fantasia, "Maybe I should have a medal for bravery. We all make mistakes. I shall now rededicate myself to my old ideals." He was ashamed of Fantasia, not so much of making the film as of its pitiful box office performance. He felt that audiences were ready for a film like that in the wake of Snow White, but when it flopped (and was right on the heels of Pinocchio being a flop), Walt's self-confidence was shattered. Fantasia's performance discouraged Walt from making anything else too artistic, which was why any films made thereafter, such as Cinderella or Peter Pan, were safer, more mainstream fare.

Way to get the point, guys.


Then there's this: a discussion thread for 'Character That Should Have Been In Epic Mickey. This is the first comment:

quote:

- The black centaur maid from Fantasia. She's a character who hasn't just been forgotten, but is actively shunned by Disney, so I could see some potential for a story there.

And nobody drags that poster out into an alley for a swift beating. Characters are REAL you guys! If Disney stops perpetrating horrible racist stereotypes, that's just sad because they're SHUNNING THEM! Bring them back, it's only right!

Afraid of Audio
Oct 12, 2012

by exmarx

Wales Grey posted:

Neo-Gothic/Gothic Revival architecture showed up around 1750 and many structures were completed around the time of Queen Victoria. If I had to guess at what the troper was trying to convey, it'd be a structure built in the Victorian style with Gothic elements and flourishes.

My complaint about the description is that the author described something as "Gothic looking" outside spoken dialog. Either it is Gothic or it is not Gothic; say it plainly or you're just wasting words on some mealy-mouthed mishmash of useless description that doesn't mean anything.

Or they're just writing really creepy Batman roleplay and just figured that gothic and victorian are synonyms for "Fancy Castle poo poo."

Puppy Time
Mar 1, 2005


Yeah, I think anyone assuming the guy using "Gothic" knows what the word actually means is expecting way too much. He's most likely using it in the sense of "I would expect to see this associated with the goth subculture."

So basically it's pretty and spoooooky.

paradoxGentleman
Dec 10, 2013

wheres the jester, I could do with some pointless nonsense right about now

Apple Tree posted:

Way to get the point, guys.
I'm not sure what exactly are they trying to say here; maybe that if Walt could have had his way, he would have kept Sunflower?

On a semi-unrelated note: I know that Fantasia was not the success that Disney was expecting, but was he really that unhappy with it?

Penny Paper
Dec 31, 2012

paradoxGentleman posted:

On a semi-unrelated note: I know that Fantasia was not the success that Disney was expecting, but was he really that unhappy with it?

I know he came to hate Snow White (his first feature-length animated film) after a while, but he softened up about it. And I think Disney personally hated that adaptation of Robin Hood with the foxes and that The Black Cauldron was such a failure that no one at Disney realized it as one of their works for a while, but that all might be Internet rumor and pop culture conjecture.

Hey, is it too late to call TVTropes "The Internet Rumor and Pop Culture Conjecture Mill"?

Ninjasaurus
Feb 11, 2014

This is indeed a disturbing universe.

Penny Paper posted:

I know he came to hate Snow White (his first feature-length animated film) after a while, but he softened up about it. And I think Disney personally hated that adaptation of Robin Hood with the foxes and that The Black Cauldron was such a failure that no one at Disney realized it as one of their works for a while, but that all might be Internet rumor and pop culture conjecture.

Hey, is it too late to call TVTropes "The Internet Rumor and Pop Culture Conjecture Mill"?

Disney's personal hatred of Robin Hood is quite impressive, considering he was long dead by the time that movie was released.

Inspector Zenigata
Jul 19, 2010

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corn in the bible
Jun 5, 2004

Oh no oh god it's all true!
here's something with a lengthy tropes page

quote:

A Web Original Shared Universe Furry setting, based on a Web Serial Novel, "Forest Tales", by Bernard Doove, (available here (NSFW), Mirror) Also here You might need to check all three as the site occasionally goes down for one reason or another.) that started as a Star Trek Fan Fic and became its own series. "Forest Tales" was the first series in the setting, but others have been written, by Doove and an army of Chakat fans. Some of these fans are better writers than others.
Many of the stories are accompanied by artwork, which is done by a variety of artists of varying levels of artistic talent. Many of the cast bio pages are similarly accompanied by artwork, also frequently NSFW.
The central characters of most of the stories are Chakats, a genetically-engineered hermaphroditic feline centaur race who were created at the height of mankind's genetic engineering ability and are thus, arguably, an entire race of Mary Sues.
The protagonist of the "Forest Tales" stories is a Chakat named Forestwalker who works as a Forest Ranger in Australia in the 24th century.

Inspector Zenigata
Jul 19, 2010

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Ninjasaurus
Feb 11, 2014

This is indeed a disturbing universe.

corn in the bible posted:

here's something with a lengthy tropes page

The best fanfics are the ones that invoke Poe's Law.

EDIT: Oh look, TVTropes has a page for that. Of course they do.

Wales Grey
Jun 20, 2012

Inspector Zenigata posted:

Sometime hatred is so powerful, so all-consuming, that it breaks our very notions of life and death. Read more about it in Shinjoku no inufutanari lolikonu: baka gaijin elementalu , my favorite manganime.

The Japanese adaptation of KOTOR2 had a weird title.

Inspector Zenigata
Jul 19, 2010

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SodomyGoat101
Nov 20, 2012
Balls "deep".

Sham bam bamina!
Nov 6, 2012

ƨtupid cat
In a goat?

Fuego Fish
Dec 5, 2004

By tooth and claw!
Thanks to this thread me blindly clicking links like an idiot, Youtube has started recommending me Nostaglia Critic videos. God loving damnit.

Fitzdraco
Aug 4, 2007
So over in D&D there is a thread much like this one dedicated to Conservapedia, a strange and terrifying place full of manic editors and a megalomaniac owner who believes that Jesus invented humor. Tvtropes in there massive need to catalog everything under the sun has indexed Conservapadia as well.

The talk page yielded this gem. I can't tell if he hasn't read it and he's trying to be fair or he's a conservative with his feelings hurt but how do you be fair to an electrical engineer who doesn't believe in imaginary numbers.

BNJC1 posted:

I know this article is about a really stupid right wing wiki, but we should still maybe take a few steps to stay neutral here.

The wild mass guessing page is also a bit of a hoot, if for no other reason watching them try to assign tropes to understandably very confusing human behavior.

quote:

Conservapedia is really an in-character wiki for an alternate history roleplaying game setting
Schlafly is completely unaware that 'Liberal' is a real word, and thinks he made it up to describe his race of Always Chaotic Evil Orc analogues, whose presence in the timeline is responsible for the many, many discrepancies between his world and observable reality.
He probably also thinks that 'Conservative' means 'Player Character'[/quote

quote:

Conservapedia is actually completely objective
We, the public, have in fact been the victims of mass brainwashing by the coterie of liberal elites controlling the media and government. Via wikipedia, the press and television, they have succeeded in skewing all information to the point that what we perceive as reality is actually biased towards the Gay-Muslim-Democrat-Atheist agenda.
Andy Schlafly is a hero and a true patriot.

quote:

The above entry was written by Schlafly
Do I need to explain this one?
[quote]
Well, there is a reason they're called Wild Mass Guesses...

Enough mirror gazing, the ynttw manages to get creepy in the process of trying to be less creepy

Adult Anime Protagonists posted:

Anime turns King Arthur, Hitler (NSFPuritans), and freaking Nyarlathotep into teenage girls. I understand they wouldn't churn out so many underage boob fests if it didn't sell, but I find that a lot of anime in the "really good in my opinion" category break with this tradition.
Ancient vampires who look like kids don't qualify

TwoGunAngel wants to make sure that feelings aren't hurt

TwoGunAnglel posted:

Adult Anime Protagonists is a worthy list, though that description sounds an awful lot like Complaining About Anime and Manga Series You Don't Like (and I'm a bit annoyed at the Moe trend of a lot of recent anime anyway).

Dan004 is right, but he's clearly forgot where he is.

Dan004 posted:

DAN004
edit this reply
Uh... wondering what's the point of listing adult anime protagonist. It's not like anime is always cute little girls or loudmouthed young boys...

IndirectActiveTransport shows up to enforce weird style guides, also wants to bring it around to adults turning into children.

IndirectActiveTransport posted:

The opening raises a good point but we don't generally like to talk in first person. No I, me, this troper, ect.
Also, a page about turning adults into child figures seems more trope worthy to me (such as dragon ball's Goku being a child, though he eventually grows up).

KingZeal is looking for better ways to harnesses the power of cataloging everything.

KingZeal posted:

I think this is a great list for Just for Fun or Useful Notes. It's not a trope, but it would be a mistake to discard this.
Shiroe, the protagonist of Log Horizon, is 23 years old.

KingZeal puts the whole thing into context. They oppose having a trope made simply because it involves adult characters. As if the internet is going to run out of space and they will mourn those lost gigabytes wasted on the concept of adulthood.

KingZeal posted:

Anime is notorious for an Improbable Age cast, to the point that the default age range for protagonists is between 8-17 years old (with 18 and 19 being a rare fringe). It's so common that having adult protagonists in any work which is not Seinen or Josei is considered rare, and Seinen and Josei are themselves rare using adult protagonists on top of that.
Similiarly, the insane prevalence of Let's You and Him Fight in Superhero comics led me to create These Look Like Jobs For The Superman, which is a list of jobs that you almost never see superheroes have because it's expected that they'd just use their powers to fight.
The "fun" is basically in looking for things that are fresh and new. Improbable Age is so usual in anime that if you're looking for an adult protagonist, it's hard to find one. That in itself should be worth providing a list for.

:catstare:

Jinxmenow posted:

I really have no idea what this is supposed to be, and that makes it worthy of a discard right there.

And the vote

starsword posted:

How many motions to discard to you need to get rid of something?
All in favor of me nuking this forthwith?

Lottery of Babylon
Apr 25, 2012

STRAIGHT TROPIN'

To be fair "Adult Anime Protagonists" really isn't a trope... but nor are 99% of the other "tropes" they have pages for, and that's never stopped them in the past.

Here's how TvTropes defines No Ending:

quote:

You say you want a resolution? Well, you know, we all want to see the end. But here, there is none: a work intentionally ends unresolved, the Story Arcs are unconcluded, and you can believe whatever you want about what happens next.

When the main plot is resolved but other threads aren't, that's a different trope: Left Hanging. If a happy ending would seem like an rear end Pull, it's a Bolivian Army Ending. When the lack of ending is passed off as being a good reward, it's A Winner Is You. This trope may be combined with Negative Continuity, if the last episode's problems simply disappear. But when a big story arc is dismissed with a handwave, it's an Aborted Arc.

If external factors end the story, it is Cut Short: see Cancellation/Author Existence Failure. If the author's comments about the ending are similarly ambiguous, it's the Shrug of God. Compare End of Series Awareness, No Romantic Resolution, Dead Fic (in fanfiction), Offscreen Inertia, Drop The Cow and Endless Game.

Occasionally the story picks up later with a Remake or Spin-Off. If this was intended all along, it's a Cliff Hanger.

Sentences spent actually defining "No Ending": 1. Sentences spent drawing narrow distinctions between this and several other similar pages: 10. Sentences spent on a random Beatles reference: 2. This is a really great article here.

Time to check out the Examples!

Fan Works posted:

It is a sad fact of the medium that most Fan Fiction ever written qualifies as this. The writer has an idea, pursues it for four or five (or eight or nine... or fifty or sixty...) chapters, and then suddenly just stops updating for a variety of reasons.
* A rare exception is the author Meowth Rocket/Meowth's Toon Dragon. He's said to have made it a point to, in case he can't finish a story, to tell fellow authors the rest so they can continue his work. But even he isn't 100% successful in this.

Unsurprisingly, Meowth Rocket is a troper, and presumably wrote that himself. I'm sure his scheme to be promoted to Fan Fic Ideas Man will work perfectly, because if there's one thing people love to do it's ghostwriting other people's fanfics.

Film posted:

The Shining, leaving the whole incident unexplained and unsolved.

The Shining had a pretty conclusive ending: Wendy and Danny escape safely, Jack kills Halloran but dies failing to catch Danny. The conversation between Danny and Halloran early in the film about how "some places shine" sums up most of why the bad stuff happened. It may not have been the exact ending tropers wanted (which would presumably have been a dull man in a gray suit spending ten minutes monologuing to explain the precise mechanics by which the Overlook's evil arises and operates), but it sure as hell wasn't "No Ending".

Literature posted:

The Grapes of Wrath doesn't end so much as run out of pages, with Rose of Sharon breastfeeding a sick man, some of the Joads gone from the group or dead, and the rest just weathering the storm.

Tropers really, really hate the Grapes of Wrath.

Live Action TV posted:

An episode of Dad's Army begins with Pike getting his head stuck in a gate...and ends with his head still stuck in the gate.

I used to love this show when I was a kid. What the trope page doesn't mention is that that episode was about a bomb knocking out all the town's utilities, and Captain Mainwaring seizing the opportunity to declare martial law and getting a little drunk with power. This main plot was resolved. Pike's head being stuck in a gate wasn't even so much a subplot as it was a running gag.

Film posted:

Cast Away. At the very end Chuck is literally at a cross-roads in a large open area.

He got home from the island. He delivered his package. He got a replacement Wilson. What sort of ending were you looking for exactly?

Most of the page consists of things like this. They just don't understand that most creative works aren't like their favorite fifteen-season anime, or their favorite webcomic that has been running since 1999. The story needs to, and will, end somewhere; there won't always be a new page or episode released next week. And most of the time, when the story does stop, some of the characters will still be alive. Short of the entire world ending, it will always be possible to ask "And then what?" But that doesn't mean there wasn't an ending. What it means is that you don't have the most basic grasp of a narrative arc.

Music posted:

"Harold the Barrel" ends with the titular anti-hero stuck on a window ledge above a town square full of people, preparing to jump, and we're not given any clue how the scene is resolved. Except for the way the final "running jump" fades as if the singer is falling away from the listener.

I agree, we have no clue what happens, except that he's suicidal and on the edge of a building and it ends with him taking a running jump. No Ending!

Live Action TV posted:

The finale of House's second season has an example of this - House is shot just a few minutes in and almost all of the episode is a hallucination. The episode ends with House waking up on a gurney being rushed to the emergency room, but no diagnosis is ever made on the patient the team was dealing with during House's hallucination.

They're complaining about no diagnosis being made on a patient that didn't even exist in the first place. :psyduck:

Video Games posted:

Assassin's Creed I ends with Altair's story mostly wrapped up, but Desmond's is left almost entirely unresolved. The game just rolls to credits as soon as you exhibit Eagle Vision and see the mad scrawlings on the floor and walls from the previous occupant. None of the slowly accumulated foreshadowing in the game becomes relevant until Assassin's Creed II, leaving that particular plotline hanging.

I agree, that sure is a thing that has a sequel.

Video Games posted:

Dwarf Fortress has no winning condition and will just keep going until your fortress colapse.

:downs:


Left Hanging is similar to No Ending, except instead of the entire story being unresolved it's only lots of major subplots and loose ends that are unresolved. The two are basically used interchangeably.

Film posted:

The Lion King: Although an interlude in Hakuna Matata explains why Pumbaa became an outcast, nothing is said about Timon's past even though you'd expect there to be a pretty good reason for a meerkat to live outside a colony.

Who the hell was worried about this when they watched the Lion King?

Live Action TV posted:

Star Trek: The Next Generation, in the "Groundhog Day" Loop episode. When the loop breaks, they find out that their collision partner is a ship — captained by Kelsey Grammer — that is a full century out of date, the USS Bozeman. It was never mentioned on the show again, but dialogue references to a ship named "Bozeman" popped up in both Star Trek: Generations and Star Trek: First Contact, and it was the subject of a (non-canon) novel. TNG also left the fate of Enterprise-C and the alternate timeline Tasha Yar hanging in "Yesterday's Enterprise". Did they succeed in their mission, or die senseless deaths? All we knew is that their passing back into the phenomenon, they restored Enterprise-D to it's original timeline, with only Guinan aware of the entire affair. It wasn't until much later (several seasons) that the fate of Tasha Yar was learned.

I too am shocked that this detail that appeared for thirty seconds of a long episodic show was never "resolved". This must be why nerd franchises always get massive expanded universes: they need to know every detail of the entire history of every minor element mentioned in passing.

The second half makes even less sense. "We don't know if they accomplished their goal, all we know is that sending them in produced exactly the result they were trying to produce, and that when they weren't sent in that result wasn't accomplished." Uh, I think that means sending them in worked.

Literature posted:

Piers Anthony had a book called Mute which created an entire well-defined and intriguing universe, with complex characters and hinted-at half-revealed plans, ended it on an unresolved plot Cliff Hanger... and then dropped it. Word of God is that he's not going to pick it up again, ever.

I'm not familiar with this book, but Pier Xanth-ony is well known for spending most of his books removing clothes from and sexualizing little girls and complaining about age of consent laws and false rape accusations. Considering what it usually means when tropers offer vague-to-the-point-of-meaninglessness praise like "well-defined universe" and "complex characters", I'm going to guess that we're lucky this didn't continue.


What Happened to the Mouse? is similar except instead of for the main plot or several major subplots it's for a single very minor element. Most people wouldn't even recognize most of these as things that needed resolving, so it's even more spergy (though I suppose more honest) than the other two pages. In particular, several complain about minor characters never appearing again after their last appearance... in the last or penultimate episode or chapter of the story. Well, yeah, if the story is finite in length everyone has a last appearance at some point.

I bring up this page mainly for this:

Jokes posted:

Jokes do this regularly. Because Tropes Are Tools, the intention is to slap the punchline on the listener by surprise, at which point the rest of the joke (the figurative "mouse") becomes irrelevant. Take this joke for instance:

A janitor is mopping the church when the priest grabs him. The priest exclaims that he has an important meeting he has to attend and cannot miss, but was scheduled to take confessions instead. The priest shoves a list of sins into the janitor's hands and tells him just listen to the confessions, look up the penance and tell the confessor how many "Hail Mary"s to say. The janitor doesn't mind helping, and goes into the confessional while the priest grabs his golf clubs and leaves. The people come in, the janitor looks up the sin and says the penance. This goes on just fine for a bit, until a man confesses he got a blow job. The janitor checks every page of his instructions - it's not listed. Panicking, the janitor peeks outside of the confessional and sees an altar boy walking past. "How much does the priest give for a blow job???" the janitor whispers to the altar boy. The altar boy replies, "20 bucks and a candy bar."

Now a listener who does not get the joke or has No Sense of Humor may immediately ask, "Well, what happened with the guy who is still back in the confessional, waiting for his penance?", but that is not the point of the joke - it's the Twist Ending that this was a Pedophile Priest joke. Many, many jokes count on completely dropping the story in favor of the punchline to work.

:allears: How To Comprehend Humor: For Autists, By Autists


Finally, unrelated to everything above, here's an example from the Spin-Off page:

Spin-Off posted:

The Iliad —> The Odyssey.

oh gently caress YOU

Sham bam bamina!
Nov 6, 2012

ƨtupid cat

Lottery of Babylon posted:

ghostwriting other people's fanfics
What's the lamest thing about this? Begging someone else to finish your hundred-chapter Pokémon fan-novel? Wimping out on writing it yourself after already making it through seventy-two chapters? Writing seventy-two chapters of Pokémon fanfiction in the first place?

Writing your own TV Tropes entry about it. :ssh:

Lottery of Babylon posted:

:allears: How To Comprehend Humor: For Autists, By Autists
I think my favorite part is the "Many, many jokes count on completely dropping the story in favor of the punchline to work." It's so patient, like a dad explaining an unpleasant but necessary truth to his kid.

Sham bam bamina! fucked around with this message at 05:38 on Mar 29, 2014

Inspector Zenigata
Jul 19, 2010

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Inspector Zenigata fucked around with this message at 22:53 on Apr 2, 2014

Penny Paper
Dec 31, 2012

Lottery of Babylon posted:

:allears: How To Comprehend Humor: For Autists, By Autists

Reminds me of this article from "Stuff Geeks Love": http://stuffgeekslove.wordpress.com/2009/03/13/destroying-humor/

You may also like this one, which explains why geeks/tropers don't like it when things change or come to an end.

Polybius91
Jun 4, 2012

Cobrastan is not a real country.

Lottery of Babylon posted:

Dwarf Fortress has no winning condition and will just keep going until your fortress colapse.
Would it surprise you to know that there is already a completely separate trope for games that don't end until you lose?

TVTropes is what you'd get if the government from Brazil decided to make a website for media analysis.

Polybius91 fucked around with this message at 02:42 on Mar 30, 2014

Ninjasaurus
Feb 11, 2014

This is indeed a disturbing universe.

Jiggle Physics Discussion posted:

I just thought I'd point out that the reason a lot of video games have "unrealistic" breast physics is because large chested Japanese women's breasts DO seem to move on their own and very similarly to video game breast physics, whether it be nature or environment. Reality is unrealistic, I suppose.

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Just Japanese women's breasts?

I don't know how to respond to this.

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Everybody knows the Japanese are exempt from all the laws of man and nature.

A moderator posted:

Um, I take it you're being sarcastic?

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And what would you think if I answered no to that question?

Ettin
Oct 2, 2010

Ninjasaurus posted:

I don't know how long this has been in effect but there is a You May Like section at the bottom of all tvtropes pages with pictures corresponding to the suggested articles.

Gag Boobs always seems to be in the mix of six.

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Playing With: Gag Boobs

Double Entendre not intended.

Darth TNT
Sep 20, 2013
I've been playing Pokémon. :)

Hot Skitty on Wailord action

We all know which anime will be there first.

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InuYasha's father and mother. The Inu no Taishou does have a human form, but his true form is the size of a mountain.
Jep.
Now let's see how long it takes before we find a loli.

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•Dragon Half features, unsurprisingly, the offspring of a human and a dragon. She basically looks like an adorable teenage human girl with horns and a tail, she's super strong, and her name is Mink for some reason.
◦ Princess Vina too. When you're tired of looking at her humany cuteness, drop a heavy weight on her and go “Aw!” over her slime-moldy cuteness.
◦ Both of those involved shapeshifting from a non-human into a human form. Vina was born as a slimemold, she had to learn magic to change into something humanoid.
Monster girl, no fetishes here. Also, what is that remark on shapeshifting doing there? It has no relevance to the subject at hand. :colbert:
Looking at the screenshots, how old is that show.

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• In One Piece, there are people called "Wotans", a hybrid race of Fishman and Giants. While Fishman are generally taller than humans, Giants are dozens of feet tall, which brings up a intresting question of how that works. ◦ The Fishman Island arc has the union of the merman King Neptune and the mermaid Queen Otohime, who are roughly giant-sized and human-sized, respectively. Otohime then somehow gave birth to Princess Shirahoshi, who even as a baby looked about 10 times as big as her mother. Even if we concede that mermaids lay eggs like fish do, there's no way she could have laid something as large as Shirahoshi, not to mention that a pregnant mermaid is depicted in the background of one episode.

•Basquash! teases a coupling between Sela and Naviga. The problem is that Sela is a moderately-sized (albeit thin) human woman and Navi is a friendly, twenty-foot tall giant. Considering Sela goes on and on about getting the "genes" from the best Basquasher around, and Navi is pretty drat good, well... try not to think about it too hard.
•½ Prince has the cast trying to figure out how Gui's pet phoenix would be able to mate with Prince's pet meatbun.
I have no idea about that last one.

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• In Haiyore! Nyarko-san, this one of many reasons for Mahiro's resistance to Nyarko's advances; she's an alien whose race helped inspire the Cthulhu Mythos, and while she may look like a cute girl, that's just the most pleasant of her 1,000 forms, the other 999 of which would probably make his mind snap like a dry twig. Nyarko, for her part, seems convinced that they can reproduce and wants to have "enough kids to start our own soccer team" (her own words).
Someone on the previous page posted a quote on how to construct sentences. I raise him this.
I keep getting confused on who is what gender and who is advancing on who.
Do they count as loli?

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•Kasai and Uwabami in Oumagadoki Doubutsuen. He's an armor-wearing rhino man in his transformed state, and she's a young woman whose hair ends in three snakes.
No they're just reaching. I don't know this show, but the words "in his transformed state" imply to me that there is a more normal untransformed state.

Maybe the fanfiction would work better.

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There has been at least one Deep Space Nine fan fic where Odo and Nerys not only have intimate contact but their union produces an offspring. ◦ If Changelings are anything like Amorphs that could result in a relatively simple birth on either partner for so many reasons.
Odo is a shapeshifter, his normal shape as I recall is a small blob.

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• There exists a Chronicles of Narnia fanfic in which there were many not-oblique-enough references made to Ettins (akin to extremely large orcs) who abducted humans (men, surprisingly) in order to produce magically-viable offspring, since generations of inbreeding and incest had destroyed the health of the Ettin line. The abducted humans usually didn't survive much past the experience.
•Hivefled involved the Grand Highblood doing terrible things to Gamzee, and then helpfully provided a size comparison chart. Keep in mind Gamzee is tiny for even a pre-final-pupation purpleblood, but noticeably bigger than most young trolls. Ow. GH also regularly has consensual sex with Condesce, who isn't much bigger than Gamzee; at least they had thousands of years to practice.
• Some dark corner of the internet hosts a Dragon Age: Origins fic that pairs the Warden with the Archdemon (who's a 100+ foot long dragon-cum-Eldritch Abomination). Squick.
•This fanfic is an intentional parody of the trope; it pairs Rarity (a pony) with King Kong (a multistory-tall gorilla).
• Parodic Redwall fanfic The Search pokes fun at cross-species shipping, involving a male otter and female squirrel going on an epic quest to find a workable lube, namely the extremely rare Kaywhy plant.
• In the Monsters, Inc. fanfiction Angelas Pet Monster, Randall (a lizard-like monster) and Lucille (a saluki dog) have puppies together.
Why are these examples here? :stonk:

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8-Bit Theater recently had a "Hot Monster on Red Mage action" with the result, that Red Mage himself was turned into the monster's offspring. The monster, of course, was a lot taller than RM, so that it first looked more like it was trying to squeeze him, rather than to rape him. It was explained by the monster having a third gender to "impregnate" (or rather, transform) other species. ◦ And the less said about the Hot Witch on Dragon-God-King Action that occurred earlier, the better. Notable for horrifying the protagonists, individuals who are most commonly horrifying others with their actions.
Yes, that sure was graphic with those 8 bit sprites.

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Averted to a degree in the Chip 'n Dale Rescue Rangers fancomic, Of Mice And Mayhem. During the prologue, Chip acknowledges his feelings for Gadget, but refuses to act on them, because he believes she will one day want to have children, which wouldn't be an option for them since he's a chipmunk and she's a mouse. This is later worked around, as a previous gene splice between Dale and Gadget left Gadget the ability to mate with chipmunks.
I haven't seen that show in ages, but weren't those two the same size?

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One The Order of the Stick comic showed the inherent Squick of family life as a half-orc, the joke being that, in D&D, half-orcs are considered a little bit squicky because they're implied to usually be the result of rape, while in the comic, the kid is squicked because her parents are sickeningly, mushily in love.
I have little knowledge of DnD, is this real of is this :tvtropes:

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The series of artwork (often NSFW) about adventurers by Fredrik K.T. Andersson (author of Pawn) includes a character best described as "Bard who knocks up every critter in creation". And is so much surprised by the results one may suspect he was drunk half-blind during those encounters. This one is safe-for-work, if potentially hurtful for a brain. Of all living beings he had troubles only with elves. Also, there's "Dragon and Succubus". Speaking of which—
Elf Ranger: And what part of "naked chick standing on top of a dead dragon" didn't say major demon to you?!

Human Bard: (lifted off the ground by a happy embrace of "chick" with hooves and spiked tail) uhm... the "naked chick" bit... ?
Good thing this site is family safe.

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And for Halloween Episodes in one Abraham Simpson (AKA Grandpa) Was doing a "King Kong" Parody, with Marge as the woman and Homer as King Kong. They got married at the end...I don't want to even THINK about them consummating it. ◾ She'll be getting some hot monkey love, that's for sure.
We're a serious resource.

They also doubled up on some examples. :)



edit: messed up the url link

Fuego Fish
Dec 5, 2004

By tooth and claw!

Darth TNT posted:

I have no idea about that last one.

Allow me to field this one. Half Prince is a story set in the future and revolves around a Matrix-like MMORPG called Second Life (no, really) and after the requisite 20 or so issues of MMO shenanigans, it starts actually exploring a plotline based around the AI of the game getting a bit pissed off that their purpose in life is to get murdered repeatedly by idiots sporting ridiculous names like "Wolf Dude" and "LoliDragon".

(Those are actual MMO-character names used by the characters, it's so true to life.)

The main character gets a pet as part of a loot drop after a boss fight, and it's a talking meat dumpling. There's an altercation with another character's pet which they first think is a fight, and then there's the "... oh. Oh." moment where the ensemble cast figure out what's going on. It's played for laughs and only a troper would devote more than a momentary chuckle to it.

Lottery of Babylon
Apr 25, 2012

STRAIGHT TROPIN'

Darth TNT posted:

I have little knowledge of DnD, is this real of is this :tvtropes:

The "half-orcs = rape" thing is so common in D&D that even the core rulebooks sometimes do it, so that's less :tvtropes: and more grognards.txt.

Of course, it's not clear why TvTropes needed to bring it up there at all. D&D orcs are basically just green-skinned humans that on average tend to be slightly stronger and slightly dumber, and are the same size as humans. There's no reason to mention them on that page except for the sake of interjecting rape into everything.

Darth TNT
Sep 20, 2013

Fuego Fish posted:

Allow me to field this one. Half Prince is a story set in the future and revolves around a Matrix-like MMORPG called Second Life (no, really) and after the requisite 20 or so issues of MMO shenanigans, it starts actually exploring a plotline based around the AI of the game getting a bit pissed off that their purpose in life is to get murdered repeatedly by idiots sporting ridiculous names like "Wolf Dude" and "LoliDragon".

(Those are actual MMO-character names used by the characters, it's so true to life.)

The main character gets a pet as part of a loot drop after a boss fight, and it's a talking meat dumpling. There's an altercation with another character's pet which they first think is a fight, and then there's the "... oh. Oh." moment where the ensemble cast figure out what's going on. It's played for laughs and only a troper would devote more than a momentary chuckle to it.

That actually sounds pretty awesome. :)

Fuego Fish
Dec 5, 2004

By tooth and claw!

Darth TNT posted:

That actually sounds pretty awesome. :)

Truth be told there was so much of the in-the-game-world plot of casting spells and so on that I completely forgot it's set almost a hundred years in the future, up until one of the latest issues where they hop on hoverbikes like it ain't no thang.

The basic conceit is that the main character is a teenage girl but decides to play as a dude in the game, which is something that has never happened before ever... which requires a heavy amount of suspension of disbelief from a jaded Internet veteran. She ends up forming a guild (the name of which apparently translates charmingly from Chinese as "the Odd Squad") and then becoming the ruler of one of the in-game cities.

I'm actually morbidly interested if TvTropes has any more references to it.

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Swan Oat
Oct 9, 2012

I was selected for my skill.
Erotic Redwall fiction, my childhood waaa :gonk:

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