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Omgz
Oct 5, 2008
Ah well good luck to him, working holiday visa sucks. I'm not sure how it works for citizens and partner visas but it was well worth it for my partner and I.

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Sharks Below
May 23, 2011

ty hc <3
Yeah we weren't really prepared to shell out $4k for a prospective marriage visa / spousal visa etc when we're only here for a year. We're not in such a bad financial position that he desperately has to work for as much $ as possible. I guess I was just surprised, I know absolutely nothing about this stuff (as demonstrated) but it seems strange to me that people using less resources (no medicare etc) would pay so much more tax. That's extremely simplistic though, I think!

Omgz
Oct 5, 2008
Working holiday visa is really more like extended tourist stay visa. It makes sense that Australia benefits from hosting these people but it is a bit of a poo poo visa to be on. I was on one for the better part of a year and had a miserable time finding a job, YMMV though obviously.

Sharks Below
May 23, 2011

ty hc <3

Omgz posted:

Working holiday visa is really more like extended tourist stay visa. It makes sense that Australia benefits from hosting these people but it is a bit of a poo poo visa to be on. I was on one for the better part of a year and had a miserable time finding a job, YMMV though obviously.

He has a job, thank goodness!

Negative Entropy
Nov 30, 2009

TropicalGoons!

The lady is making noises about a holiday to Fiji. Casual browsing has alerted me to a coup in 2009 leading Fiji to be led by decree for the most part until maybe September this year. This doesnt seem to affect the tourism.

Can anyone give me some more boots on the ground advice and maybe some highlights to see and do. We're looking at 10 days over easter. Flying out of Brisbane.

Crossposeted from SE asia megathread where they told me there were no ladyboys there and i should not be interested or bothering them with this line of South Pacific questioning.

teacup
Dec 20, 2006

= M I L K E R S =
I wouldn't worry re: Fiji, they have had approximately 3,000 coups in the last decade. Tourism is fine.

Leaving from Brisbane, how many nights are you going for, what is your budget and when do you want to go?

Negative Entropy
Nov 30, 2009

teacup posted:

I wouldn't worry re: Fiji, they have had approximately 3,000 coups in the last decade. Tourism is fine.

Leaving from Brisbane, how many nights are you going for, what is your budget and when do you want to go?

10 days, 9 nights, easter. Thats all we've got.

The Schwa
Jul 1, 2008

Depends what you're looking for. Resort, "how real Fijians live", both? Nadi (and apparently Suva) is a bit run down, not what to go for if you're looking for the typical resort experience. I spent time on Mana Island, that was really nice, albeit not forging any new paths. I've heard good things about the Yasawa chain if you want more of a backpacking/roughing it experience.

Anyway. Hi thread! I'm a Kiwi toying with the idea of hopping the ditch for a while. Thinking of going to Melbourne (although I don't have any real impressions of Adelaide or anywhere in the far North). Any recommendations for places to live, or general tips for NZers living in Oz?

Negative Entropy
Nov 30, 2009

We've changed our plans and are going to Geneva in May instead.

i am bones
May 18, 2010

We are the Crystal Gems!
Yo. I'm a goon in Adelaide in dire need of some sort of social outlet. :shobon: I'm guessing there aren't too many goons here that want to hangout? Everyone is always in Sydney or Melbs. I need/want friends!

bee
Dec 17, 2008


Do you often sing or whistle just for fun?

i am bones posted:

Yo. I'm a goon in Adelaide in dire need of some sort of social outlet. :shobon: I'm guessing there aren't too many goons here that want to hangout? Everyone is always in Sydney or Melbs. I need/want friends!

If you are keen on helping the world be a better place whilst socialising, check out the auspol thread in D&D. There's quite a few cool adelaide goons in there who have occasional meet ups/trivia/volunteer days.

Raphisonfire
May 2, 2009

i am bones posted:

Yo. I'm a goon in Adelaide in dire need of some sort of social outlet. :shobon: I'm guessing there aren't too many goons here that want to hangout? Everyone is always in Sydney or Melbs. I need/want friends!

I wouldn't mind doing this... But I'm flat out too busy these days

spamman
Jul 11, 2002

Chin up Tiger, There is always next season...
Speaking of Adelaide, I'm going over there from Melbourne for that NIN/QOTSA thing on Thursday and I'll be there until Saturday night. Any sort of cool things I should check out while I'm there?

Raphisonfire
May 2, 2009

spamman posted:

Speaking of Adelaide, I'm going over there from Melbourne for that NIN/QOTSA thing on Thursday and I'll be there until Saturday night. Any sort of cool things I should check out while I'm there?

The fringe festival might be on, but you might as well check out our beaches or catch a bus to Hanhdorf

SPM
Jan 7, 2009
E: Thank you the people that emailed me, all sorted now and looking forward to going to Tasmania!

SPM fucked around with this message at 00:12 on Mar 23, 2014

Sharks Below
May 23, 2011

ty hc <3
Can't help you as I'm in QLD but I'll be in Tasmania with my fianc scoping out wedding stuff at the tail end of that time :aaa: Tasmania rules, have an amazing time!

NoArmedMan
Apr 1, 2003

I have you covered

plasmoduck
Sep 20, 2009

This is a long shot but - has anyone here been to the Tasman Peninsula and done the Cape Raoul and/or Shipstern Bluff walks? I'm planning a day trip (around Easter) and can't decide which trail to pick, both look fantastic.

mastershakeman
Oct 28, 2008

by vyelkin
How well can I get around Melbourne with just tram? My mom wants to take myself and my girlfriend over at the end of the year to visit my sister/her boyfriend, but my sister is unwilling to let us stay at her place while she stays at her boyfriends. As such we're going to need to find accommodation every night, and as my sister lives in Fitzroy, it looks like that area's pretty pricy, and we're wondering if we should stay somewhere further away and try to use trams to link up each evening. Is this something reasonable?

Omgz
Oct 5, 2008

mastershakeman posted:

How well can I get around Melbourne with just tram? My mom wants to take myself and my girlfriend over at the end of the year to visit my sister/her boyfriend, but my sister is unwilling to let us stay at her place while she stays at her boyfriends. As such we're going to need to find accommodation every night, and as my sister lives in Fitzroy, it looks like that area's pretty pricy, and we're wondering if we should stay somewhere further away and try to use trams to link up each evening. Is this something reasonable?

Yes

e: http://ptv.vic.gov.au/journey#jpsearch%5Baction%5D=showPlanner

Can use that to see how long a trip would take from where you're looking at staying.

freebooter
Jul 7, 2009

Bear in mind that in the northern suburbs (where Fitzroy is) all the tram and train lines basically just run north-south. So it's very easy to go down to the city or further up to Coburg, Preston etc. but harder to go east/west.

But yeah Melbourne's public transport system is amazing (not that Melburnians think this; they think they live in Mogadishu) and you shouldn't have any problems.

Mr. Crane
May 16, 2009

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I'll be landing in Sydney on April 8, from Nova Scotia, Canada, then going down to Manly to live for a year.. I have a job already, and a place to stay, but what the main topic didn't cover too in depth was schooling - What's the policy on applying for school on a working visa? Is it beneficial to do my schooling there on the hopes of finding a job within whatever it is I decide to take? (Let's assume financially I'm covered) just some worries I've been curious about. tia

JBark
Jun 27, 2000
Good passwords are a good idea.

Mr. Crane posted:

I'll be landing in Sydney on April 8, from Nova Scotia, Canada, then going down to Manly to live for a year.. I have a job already, and a place to stay, but what the main topic didn't cover too in depth was schooling - What's the policy on applying for school on a working visa? Is it beneficial to do my schooling there on the hopes of finding a job within whatever it is I decide to take? (Let's assume financially I'm covered) just some worries I've been curious about. tia

You should be able to study for 4 months on the working holiday visa. Any more than that, and you'll have to be on a student visa. A 417 visa is valid to apply for a student visa onshore, so you won't be forced to leave and come back. You'll just move over to the student visa one when classes commence.

If you plan on staying here for a while, it's likely beneficial if you study here. There's a graduate visa that lets you stay here for 18 months after graduation if you've got skills on the in demand list, or 2-4 years if you get a full 4 year degree (bachelor, masters, doctor).

Mr. Crane
May 16, 2009

The deranged
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JBark posted:

You should be able to study for 4 months on the working holiday visa. Any more than that, and you'll have to be on a student visa. A 417 visa is valid to apply for a student visa onshore, so you won't be forced to leave and come back. You'll just move over to the student visa one when classes commence.

If you plan on staying here for a while, it's likely beneficial if you study here. There's a graduate visa that lets you stay here for 18 months after graduation if you've got skills on the in demand list, or 2-4 years if you get a full 4 year degree (bachelor, masters, doctor).

That's what I like to hear! Thanks for the info!

Guni
Mar 11, 2010

Mr. Crane posted:

That's what I like to hear! Thanks for the info!

Be aware that you'll probably need to contact the school you're wanting to go to pretty soon. Most uni's start up their second semester in July-ish, so you'll want to apply ASAP.

Golbez
Oct 9, 2002

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We're flying from the USA to Sydney in a couple of days (landing a couple of days after that, har) for vacation and it occurred to me that I didn't know what form to have money in. Should I withdraw cash from an American ATM before leaving, and exchange it when I get there? Or should I rely on my credit cards while over there?

Rougey
Oct 24, 2013

Golbez posted:

We're flying from the USA to Sydney in a couple of days (landing a couple of days after that, har) for vacation and it occurred to me that I didn't know what form to have money in. Should I withdraw cash from an American ATM before leaving, and exchange it when I get there? Or should I rely on my credit cards while over there?
I recall that there are pretty lovely exchange rates/fees offered at currency changes, so I'd recommend using your credit card and withdrawing a good amount of cash from an ATM when you get down here.

Went hunting for backup, found this:

http://www.tripadvisor.com.au/Travel-g255055-s601/Australia:Banks.And.Money.html

Currency exchange is halfway down the page.


EDIT: I'd still bring some of your own currency, just in case.

Rougey fucked around with this message at 00:18 on Apr 3, 2014

Sharks Below
May 23, 2011

ty hc <3

SPM posted:

E: Thank you the people that emailed me, all sorted now and looking forward to going to Tasmania!

Super keen to hear how this went, trip report please! Fiance and I had a blast in Tas over the weekend (omg the food), particularly in Swansea but Hobart itself is so awesome. Can't wait to get married there in October. Would love to hear how the trip went as my dad is keen to do the Maria Island trails - isn't that what you were doing?

teacup
Dec 20, 2006

= M I L K E R S =

Golbez posted:

We're flying from the USA to Sydney in a couple of days (landing a couple of days after that, har) for vacation and it occurred to me that I didn't know what form to have money in. Should I withdraw cash from an American ATM before leaving, and exchange it when I get there? Or should I rely on my credit cards while over there?

Almost everywhere will accept credit cards here in Australia except the smaller corner shops and even then only if you're doing less than 10 bucks. I always thought getting cash from a proper bank or money changer would be better? But who knows. The rate is favourable for you at the moment and it's been going up and down lately so that might come into play.

SPM
Jan 7, 2009
Has anyone done or is trying to do the Harvest work stuff that you have to do to get your second year visa?


I'm about half way through my visa and want to get it done now before leaving it too late.

Anyone got any tips or advice in finding a job?

Finch!
Sep 11, 2001

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Just find a job in a regional area. I think Perth, Adelaide, and Hobart count. I don't think you actually have to do any harvesting.

I've met plenty of backpackers working in the middle of nowhere in hotels or road houses or whatever. William Creek would be good for a laugh, particularly from May until about October.

Jeek
Feb 15, 2012
Just find some backwater town and pick all the fruits there. At least that's how I got my second year visa job back then.

freebooter
Jul 7, 2009

Golbez posted:

We're flying from the USA to Sydney in a couple of days (landing a couple of days after that, har) for vacation and it occurred to me that I didn't know what form to have money in. Should I withdraw cash from an American ATM before leaving, and exchange it when I get there? Or should I rely on my credit cards while over there?

My general rule of thumb in other Western countries it to just use your Mastercard/Visa debit card to get money out of ATMs. This is pretty much the best way to keep fees down; the bank will charge a percentage fee, plus foreign conversion, plus a flat fee simply for using another bank's ATM. This is also why you're best off withdrawing as much money as you feel comfortable carrying around every time you use an ATM, to keep the fees down. I think even in SE Asia I was usually getting $300 or $400 out at a time.

UnfortunateSexFart
May 18, 2008

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My :canada: wife and I have the ability (and, finally on her part, desire) to move to Australia permanently. I've already lived in Sydney for four years when I was young and loved it but didn't visit anywhere else besides Canberra. Is Melbourne still the most goon-approved city? We're both left leaning non-religious types with no kids (and no desire to have any) in our mid 30s, not sure if that helps any.

Is there anywhere in Oz where being non-drinkers is OK? This is my biggest fear. :(

Lizard Combatant
Sep 29, 2010

I have some notes.

leidend posted:

My :canada: wife and I have the ability (and, finally on her part, desire) to move to Australia permanently. I've already lived in Sydney for four years when I was young and loved it but didn't visit anywhere else besides Canberra. Is Melbourne still the most goon-approved city? We're both left leaning non-religious types with no kids (and no desire to have any) in our mid 30s, not sure if that helps any.

Is there anywhere in Oz where being non-drinkers is OK? This is my biggest fear. :(

That depends, what do you do for fun apart from being criminally unAustralian?

Melbourne is great but Adelaide is a cheaper version with nicer weather. Based on your criteria I'd say avoid Brisbane. What climate/lifestyle are you after? Beaches, rain forest, skiing?

Sharks Below
May 23, 2011

ty hc <3
I actually really loved Tasmania (particularly Hobart) and it is a cheap and beautiful place to live with amazing food and wine.

But I agree, Adelaide is also lovely. I don't rate Sydney or Melbourne that highly but that's because I grew up in a town of 80,000 and cities are a bit overwhelming. Somehow Hobart and Adelaide don't feel so terrifying because they're sorta small-town-got-big, rather than huge sprawling places. JMO!

NPR Journalizard
Feb 14, 2008

Probably best to avoid Perth as well.

UnfortunateSexFart
May 18, 2008

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Lizard Combatant posted:

That depends, what do you do for fun apart from being criminally unAustralian?

Melbourne is great but Adelaide is a cheaper version with nicer weather. Based on your criteria I'd say avoid Brisbane. What climate/lifestyle are you after? Beaches, rain forest, skiing?

It would be difficult to be away from the ocean. We walk on the local ocean seawall every week at least once per week. We love clean air and nice, open people - we find Vancouverites far too reserved and I've convinced my wife it would be easier to make friends there. We'd want a fairly progressive, large city (bigger than our current 2.5 million) with a good economy.

We were both priced out of skiing a long time ago and skiing in Oz after living in western Canada is like surfing in western Canada after living in Oz, kinda pointless.

Besides that we never have fun because we have to work our asses off. Vancouver is one of the few places more expensive than Sydney, and for no good reason besides being the least lovely place in Canada.

Lizard Combatant
Sep 29, 2010

I have some notes.

leidend posted:

It would be difficult to be away from the ocean. We walk on the local ocean seawall every week at least once per week. We love clean air and nice, open people - we find Vancouverites far too reserved and I've convinced my wife it would be easier to make friends there. We'd want a fairly progressive, large city (bigger than our current 2.5 million) with a good economy.

We were both priced out of skiing a long time ago and skiing in Oz after living in western Canada is like surfing in western Canada after living in Oz, kinda pointless.

Besides that we never have fun because we have to work our asses off. Vancouver is one of the few places more expensive than Sydney, and for no good reason besides being the least lovely place in Canada.

Sounds like Melbourne is the place for you then. The state of Victoria is currently run by shitlords, but Melbourn is probably the most progressive you'll get in Aus. Weather is chaotic but there's also great public transport.

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HookShot
Dec 26, 2005
Don't move to Brisbane.


For bigger than Vancouver I think you're limited to Sydney and Melbourne, and Melbourne is definitely going to be more progressive. My experience though is that no matter where in Australia you are it will not be as progressive as most parts of Canada, especially Vancouver. Australians are more open, but that leads to things like borderline strangers telling you about how asians and muslims are taking over. You'll get the least amount of that in Melbourne.


Also when you're looking at your earnings and stuff keep in mind that Australia is more expensive to live in compared to Canada. Whereas I spend around $125-$150 a week for two people on groceries here in Canada it's more like $200-$250/week in Australia for the exact same stuff. Electricity is more expensive, etc. If you're going to be making the same salary in Australia it's definitely not worth it, make sure you'd be making more money in Australia than you would for the same job in Vancouver.

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