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Cardboard Box A posted:We talked about ~Dark Enlightenment~ in the Should Barack Obama appoint Eric Schmidt CEO of America? discussion Oh so that's the 'Morning Star' I've heard so much about.
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# ? Apr 4, 2014 02:36 |
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Cardboard Box A posted:Ron Paul 2016
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# ? Apr 4, 2014 02:39 |
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cafel posted:So does his blimp help get us part way into space or what? Without pesky FDA rules people could volunteer to have their brains dissected and merged with computers, bringing on the singularity. Really curious how P2P law would work without a central authority managing the protocol.
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# ? Apr 4, 2014 02:43 |
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McDowell posted:Really curious how P2P law would work without a central authority managing the protocol. The pseudo-anarchy era of Iceland, complete with the battleaxes.
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# ? Apr 4, 2014 02:54 |
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radical meme posted:Sometimes I have to touch the poop even more than usual so I check out conservative news media and these caught my eye today. Haha, well I guess we know where all those TPC site donations were going to now!
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# ? Apr 4, 2014 03:00 |
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fade5 posted:Seriously, Paul's going to be like what, 80 in 2016? I'd think even full on Paultards would be getting worried about his age by then. They could always transition to Rand Paul, but Rand follows the Republican line a bit more closely than his father does. Post-Paul Consciousness Algorithm 2020
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# ? Apr 4, 2014 04:24 |
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Install Windows posted:The pseudo-anarchy era of Iceland, complete with the battleaxes. I was thinking more like islamic courts in Pakistan and the like.
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# ? Apr 4, 2014 04:52 |
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radical meme posted:Sometimes I have to touch the poop even more than usual so I check out conservative news media and these caught my eye today. Good to see Ken Crow is still going strong despite all the mean ol' trolls from Something Sure Is Awful!
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# ? Apr 4, 2014 05:30 |
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radical meme posted:
I never quite understood how the Right reconciles its hatred for government - "centralization and bureaucracy" - with its fetishizing of state's rights. (Let me guess: they don't.) State control is state control is state control whether it's a state the size of Delaware, Virginia, California, or a nation-state. In all cases you have top-down administration of a system crafted out of decisions made by the "will of the people" made manifest by elections. My guess is they'd claim that States are more "responsive" to the will of the people, and because they are "smaller" and more "local," they won't infringe on the rights of the people as easily as the Federal government does?
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# ? Apr 4, 2014 05:32 |
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StandardVC10 posted:Post-Paul Consciousness Algorithm 2020 I don't know why but this made me laugh harder than any D&D post I've ever read.
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# ? Apr 4, 2014 06:27 |
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Naga Warlord posted:I never quite understood how the Right reconciles its hatred for government - "centralization and bureaucracy" - with its fetishizing of state's rights. (Let me guess: they don't.) Basically the states will somehow be more benevolent and more adequately representing the will of the people, much like corporations in a market devoid of regulatory process. Because reasons.
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# ? Apr 4, 2014 07:15 |
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Cardboard Box A posted:We talked about ~Dark Enlightenment~ in the Should Barack Obama appoint Eric Schmidt CEO of America? discussion So when do we reach the Toblerone Triangle?
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# ? Apr 4, 2014 07:22 |
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They're pro-states rights in particular circumstances that result in more right-wing laws.
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# ? Apr 4, 2014 07:24 |
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Conservatives love everything about authoritarianism except the abstract concept. They especially like it when they know the people in authority are always going to be people likely to agree with them, such as living in a red state. The federal government is evil because sometimes Democrats are in charge. You may recall very little criticism of the NSA coming from conservatives during the Bush years. Back then it was all about protecting us.
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# ? Apr 4, 2014 08:01 |
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Darkman Fanpage posted:So when do we reach the Toblerone Triangle? I had almost the same thought when I saw that. At this point I'm pretty sure that making horrible, unreadable, and completely nonsensical graphics to promote your position is basically a requirement of Libertarianism. Or that that and the ideology are just symptoms of mental illness.
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# ? Apr 4, 2014 08:11 |
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Naga Warlord posted:I never quite understood how the Right reconciles its hatred for government - "centralization and bureaucracy" - with its fetishizing of state's rights. (Let me guess: they don't.) It's because federalism / states' rights throws a wrench in the workings of government and makes it more difficult for the government to do things. Essentially they're trying to sabotage it. That's part of it at least.
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# ? Apr 4, 2014 08:20 |
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radical meme posted:Yes, states rights ya'll; because during the 200 years before the ACA, they did such a great job with the patchwork insurance puzzle of health care. It was pretty profitable and people got rich off it. Why do you hate capitalism? Insurance companies should be allowed to drop who they want, when they want, for any reason at all.
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icantfindaname posted:It's because federalism / states' rights throws a wrench in the workings of government and makes it more difficult for the government to do things. Essentially they're trying to sabotage it. That's part of it at least. I think you're giving too much credit to the man on the street, most of them are not thinking anywhere near that deep. Conservative voters, at least the states' rights heralds, have provincial views and provincial thought processes. Their friends think like they do, so the town must think like they do, so the state, despite being just another arbitrary line on a map, must think like they do. Therefore, if they can just get the power back to the state, they will be living in a utopia of sensible, like-minded citizens. Also, all evil liberal policies come from the Federal government, not from "real" Americans, so giving power to the states means the entire country* will go back to good old conservative values. * Except California, those heathen hippies are beyond help.
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# ? Apr 4, 2014 09:06 |
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joeburz posted:Basically the states will somehow be more benevolent and more adequately representing the will of the people, much like corporations in a market devoid of regulatory process. Because reasons. In fairness they actually would be if people gave a poo poo about state elections (or anything but "the big man in the white house" every 4 years).
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# ? Apr 4, 2014 12:48 |
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The States' Rights thing has always boggled me. They claim that the US Gov't is too big and doesn't support the will of the common man, espousing the virtues of a State Gov't. The inevitability of this is to go down a rabbit hole where the State Gov't is too big and doesn't support the will of the common man! Then down to Counties or City-State governments, and before long, your daily commuter vehicle has 12 license plates and half-a-dozen disagreeing safety regulation stickers on it. I broached this idea to a libertarian friend of mine and tried to coax out an answer: Imagine a domestic US airline flying from NYC to Los Angeles and having to know/comply to the various airspace restrictions of 15 states, then landing at your destination and having to deal with their security protocols (which could differ wildly from those of NYC) No answer was offered.
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# ? Apr 4, 2014 13:33 |
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What was travelling through Europe like before the European Union and the Schengen Area?
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# ? Apr 4, 2014 14:25 |
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VideoTapir posted:What was travelling through Europe like before the European Union and the Schengen Area? I dunno, but I definitely enjoy the convenience of being able to go throughout continental Europe without having to go through passport control.
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# ? Apr 4, 2014 14:27 |
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if it wasn't for State's rights gay marriage and weed wouldn't be legal anywhere.
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# ? Apr 4, 2014 15:02 |
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robotsinmyhead posted:The States' Rights thing has always boggled me. They claim that the US Gov't is too big and doesn't support the will of the common man, espousing the virtues of a State Gov't. The inevitability of this is to go down a rabbit hole where the State Gov't is too big and doesn't support the will of the common man! Whether you're particularly racist or not, if that's how you view the Civil War it feeds directly into several conservative narratives including states' rights protecting traditional values, keeping the size of the federal government in check and all the 2nd Amendment gun-grabber nonsense.
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wixard posted:In my experience most of the people who would say "states' rights" to define their political beliefs would agree that the American Civil War is more accurately called the War of Northern Aggression, whether they're southern rednecks or internet libertarians. Their take is the US government got so powerful they tyrannized a bunch of states who were trying to live simple, traditional lifestyles. Many of them, like Ron Paul or certain NRA officials, will argue that the USA would have done away with slavery peacefully like the European countries did, but the federal government used it as a ruse to take over the south and loot their tobacco/cotton economies to fund industrial expansion in the north. That opinion is always amusing considering that the South was using the Federal government to force slavery on states that may not have wanted it.
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Miltank posted:if it wasn't for State's rights gay marriage and weed wouldn't be legal anywhere. Weed isn't legal anywhere.
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# ? Apr 4, 2014 16:35 |
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mr. mephistopheles posted:Weed isn't legal anywhere. If you've got a trap just spring it.
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# ? Apr 4, 2014 16:48 |
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mr. mephistopheles posted:Weed isn't legal anywhere. It may not be legal but that hasn't stopped a store opening literally one block from my work from opening up a beautiful recreational dispensary.
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computer parts posted:In fairness they actually would be if people gave a poo poo about state elections (or anything but "the big man in the white house" every 4 years). In case you haven't noticed "the will of the people" is code in the southern political environment for "heavy-handed discrimination endorsed by the state".
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# ? Apr 4, 2014 17:22 |
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joeburz posted:In case you haven't noticed "the will of the people" is code in the southern political environment for "heavy-handed discrimination endorsed by the state". Yeah but that's only because conservatives are the only ones to care about the state governance. I'm sure that if more liberal people controlled the state government but there was some conservative federal issue the conservatives would support the latter over the former (and indeed they literally did during the Fugitive Slave Act era). States rights have only been considered a conservative issue because conservatives are the only ones making use of the powers of the state (at least until those weed bills passed anyway).
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# ? Apr 4, 2014 17:32 |
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Herman Cain on Fox Business just claimed on Fox News that Martin Luther King Jr. would have not been for "Wealth Distrubution" and "Class Welfare"quote:[W]e are saying that something is wrong ... with capitalism.... There must be better distribution of wealth and maybe America must move toward a democratic socialism. Call it what you may, call it democracy, or call it democratic socialism, but there must be a better distribution of wealth within this country for all of God's children. May 1965 speech to the Negro American Labor Council. Quoted in Thomas F. Jackson, From Civil Rights to Human Rights: Martin Luther King, Jr., and the Struggle for Economic Justice. (2009) p. 230.
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# ? Apr 4, 2014 17:38 |
Harman Cain is ignorant on most things so why not history as well?
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# ? Apr 4, 2014 17:39 |
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mr. mephistopheles posted:Weed isn't legal anywhere. Sure it is, and it happens to be totally open and legal in a purple state. So beyond being unrealistically expensive to force Federal laws on due to the fact that state and city police literally can not cooperate with Federal laws against recreational users it would also be political suicide for either party to try to attack it in Colorado. Its De Facto legal, unless you're going to lean on technicalities about unenforceable laws in which case there are some places it is illegal to drive a black car on sundays or spit or loan your vacuum cleaner to your neighbor, you can go ahead and tuck Colorado weed in with those if you want to make your technical point that isn't really rooted in reality.
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# ? Apr 4, 2014 17:42 |
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I know this is meant to be the right-wing media thread, but Ronan Farrow on MSNBC is totally unwatchable. He makes Al Sharpton look like an experienced, polished professional journalist.
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Spaceman Future! posted:Sure it is, and it happens to be totally open and legal in a purple state. So beyond being unrealistically expensive to force Federal laws on due to the fact that state and city police literally can not cooperate with Federal laws against recreational users it would also be political suicide for either party to try to attack it in Colorado. Its De Facto legal, unless you're going to lean on technicalities about unenforceable laws in which case there are some places it is illegal to drive a black car on sundays or spit or loan your vacuum cleaner to your neighbor, you can go ahead and tuck Colorado weed in with those if you want to make your technical point that isn't really rooted in reality. That's not legal, any more than it would be legal for southern states to re-introduce Jim Crow.
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skaboomizzy posted:I know this is meant to be the right-wing media thread, but Ronan Farrow on MSNBC is totally unwatchable. He makes Al Sharpton look like an experienced, polished professional journalist.
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# ? Apr 4, 2014 18:31 |
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I'll try to keep this as short as possible: Limbaugh actually had an interesting caller on yesterday which provided a great look into the Republican id TL;DR: Hey Rush, we need to find a meaningful message that connects with voters instead of scaring off people by being negative 100% of the time The problem isn't our message, it's liberals and Obama quote:RUSH: Here's Ian in Fort Myers, Florida. It's great to have you on the program, sir. Hello.
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# ? Apr 4, 2014 18:32 |
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quote:But I think Ian is a great example of what we're up against on our own side. He just can't deal with hurting people. He can't deal. Rush, what your side really needs is a grassroots effort. A group of fresh conservatives with hearts full and eyes open going door to door hurting people until you win a presidential election.
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# ? Apr 4, 2014 19:03 |
Yeah I guess a 33 year old has no life experience when your party is ruled by undead liches.
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# ? Apr 4, 2014 19:10 |
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And I don't know what strong silent type Rush is jacking off to but that's not what comes to mind when I think of the party and specific man who lost multiple elections based on completely unforced errors involving their fear of birth control.
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