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Leperflesh posted:You can use a sheet of white in the same lighting to "white balance" your camera, assuming the camera has that function, but that does nothing for all the remaining steps in the photo-to-computer-to-another-computer chain. Good call on Pantone, they have 5 locations in China and they are the kind of organization that will be color-calibrating the lights in their showrooms to be identical everywhere. Of course the colors won't look the same in the showroom as in the light in Blistex's addition, but it would eliminate the vast majority of the color-reproduction problems. Of course instead you'd have the massive inconvenience of traveling around a foreign city/country just to pick out a paint color for a freaking dogs room, but hey we didn't pay 10$ to post on a website because we're rational
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"Goons, Goons never change" (just kidding) Seriously, this was more of a general compass pointing me in the right direction as opposed to me expecting her to identify the exact shade. Believe it or not, some of us guys do have a say when it comes to decorating our homes, and this will be the first room she has had any input on colour wise. I'm not saying that I'm a tyrant, it's just I always time my renos/painting so they coincide with her annual trips back home (no complaining about dust, fumes, or tools littering the house). So far I've picked 5 colours to her 0, so I would like to try and even things up. I really only have two more rooms to do after this, (the upstairs bathroom and the master bedroom), so I wanted her to get as much input into the remaining rooms as possible so she feels like she has had some part in the customization of our home. kastein posted:Failing that, maybe cars that are the right color? The colour options in China are somewhat limited (black Audi, rusty Volkswagen taxi, blurry supercar that just just turned that old lady into a fine mist). Uncle Enzo posted:Good call on Pantone, they have 5 locations in China and they are the kind of organization that will be color-calibrating the lights in their showrooms to be identical everywhere. Leperflesh posted:He'd be better off FedExing color chips to his wife internationally and letting her send back what she likes.' Both are options (while ingenious and appreciated) are going to cost more/much-much more than the paint that I will eventually slather on the walls. Uncle Enzo posted:Fun fact: did you know most TN panels don't actually display the full RGB 16.2 million colors? They only show 262k colors and fake the rest with dithering. This is one reason why you'll still see high-end CRT monitors in different studios to this day, as they are better at representing "true" colour, or at least what our eyes interpret it to be. As far at TF monitors go, apparently NEC had the best colour representation, and I think LG inherited the tech. I was talking to a local photographer who was saying that he colour-corrects his photos in Photoshop so that people on his Tumblr get a better idea of what he saw in real life, and we had an almost identical conversation discussing the myriad of different displays and how many of them have probably fiddled with the brightness/contrast/colour to some degree and how no two people interpret colour the same way. Long story short, I'm looking for a, "Like #31, but slightly darker" so she has some input in the process. As soon as she narrows it down to a general one, I'll pop a few close variations of it on the wall and see which one (if any) I want to put up for real.
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Blistex posted:Both are options (while ingenious and appreciated) are going to cost more/much-much more than the paint that I will eventually slather on the walls. The pantone thing should be free. Go to any real art supply place or architect or interior designer, they'll have a pack of swatches and she can just pick out the color she wants and write down the number.
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Blistex posted:The colour options in China are somewhat limited (black Audi, rusty Volkswagen taxi, blurry supercar that just just turned that old lady into a fine mist). up for real.
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Yeah it's not necessary to go to an actual Pantone dealer. Most places that do print work in the US would have a binder of pantone swatches. I have no idea whether it's a commonly-used standard in China, but it's possible that an art supply store or print shop in whatever city your wife is staying in could have what she needs.
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Is there absolutely no internet in China? Go here, choose one, done.
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Indolent Bastard posted:Is there absolutely no internet in China? ...by looking at them on your monitor? Did you read the discussion we just had?
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Leperflesh posted:...by looking at them on your monitor? Did you read the discussion we just had? Not closely no. E: It's paint, not a tattoo. It can be close but not perfect and that is still fine. Picking a colour online is better than "Blue but not dark blue, and maybe with some green in it" as a guide. Indolent Bastard fucked around with this message at 16:40 on Apr 1, 2014 |
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Not by much.
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Bad Munki posted:Not by much. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWdd6_ZxX8c 
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In all honesty, though, I suspect the biggest factor will be the lighting. Because you can go out and look at pantone swatches all day, but when you get home and paint your wall you'll find it looks nothing like what you wanted under that sweet 2700k bulb you've got in the fixture.
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Yeah incandescent vs 2700K fluorescent changes my walls from leather yellow to dusky red.
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Bad Munki posted:In all honesty, though, I suspect the biggest factor will be the lighting. Because you can go out and look at pantone swatches all day, but when you get home and paint your wall you'll find it looks nothing like what you wanted under that sweet 2700k bulb you've got in the fixture. No kidding. The $3 paint samples you can buy to paint a three foot square section of a wall are worth every penny. We painted a basement wall red and the one that looked fine in the store looked positively orange in the actual space and the red that looked over the top in the store looked great when it was actually put up in the basement.
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"5 Locations in China" is like saying "5 locations in the continental USA". She's currently visiting her parents in a podunk little mining town 8 hours (by 200kph bullet train) from Beijing. Like I said before, the photo is close enough, I just wanted a general idea of what she was thinking of and then I would go from there. (please don't re-start the "display properties and interpretation of colour" derail) Ok, let's stop talking about paint. Anyone have any goofy building photos or anecdotes about horrible contractors? A local cult (Daystar) purchased a historic home (120+ yrs) 500m from my house in town for a real steal. It's 2 storey, 5 bedroom, huge attic, 2nd floor fireplaces in two of the bedrooms, sitting on a double lot with an amazing view of the bay. $185,000. Seems they didn't bother to get an inspector, and the foundation apparently is going to cost at least double that to rectify (it's poured, but cracked in half and separating). Also there was some fireproofing done in the late 50's. $5 to anyone who can guess what was used.
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Blistex posted:$5 to anyone who can guess what was used. Why do all the most awesome of things end up being deadly?
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Blistex posted:Also there was some fireproofing done in the late 50's. $5 to anyone who can guess what was used. Asbestos is the best-os! What CopperHound said holds true for most things... leaded solder? PCBs (polychlorinated biphenyls, not printed circuit boards - but keep reading!)? hexavalent chromium? halogenated anything? Even fiberglass? Arsenic based pressure treated lumber? Yup, all horrible. kastein fucked around with this message at 20:44 on Apr 1, 2014 |
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I really resent that the stupid California Air Resources Board won't let me buy dichloromethane. What an amazing solvent that stuff is 
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kastein posted:Arsenic based pressure treated lumber? ACQ is for quitters 
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I think they treat railroad ties with creosote. Those things last for over a century, totally exposed to weather and bugs. Can you use creosote-treated lumber architecturally? Oh, telephone poles too, right?
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Only if you want your house to smell like the inside of an asphalt refinery crossed with a chimney fire. Whatever floats your boat, I guess...
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I imagine the arsenic based preservatives don't offgas like creosote. http://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/sites/KerrMcGee/docs/Creosote%20Health%20Effects%20%28Tronox%29.pdf quote:Longer exposure to creosote vapors can irritate the lungs.
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Also some of the compounds in creosote are astoundingly powerful carcinogens. So powerful in fact that one of them (benzo-a-pyrene) was the first organic compound found to cause cancer, back in like 1905. (They tested this by painting lab rabbits with coal tar and discovering that they developed skin tumors)
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I helped a friend move into a room in a pretty interesting house. First, a diagram of the upstairs, just because I thought it was so cool: This is the second floor, so you go up the stairs, and you can either go into the big room, or turn around and go down the hallway over the stairwell to three other bedroom sized rooms. It's a 1 1/2 story house, so the walls on the left and right slope toward the floor a bit. Anyway, that's not the crappy construction. In the bedroom at the top of the picture, there's a light that's controlled by a light switch. The light switch works exactly as you'd expect it to. However, when the light is off and you close the door, there's a split second while the door is closing where the light turns on. So can't wait for that house to burn down.
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I'm sure that closet shares a wall with the bedroom below it, I just suck at scale. And that closet is mostly under the slope of the roof, so it's like a little dungeon in there.
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FISHMANPET posted:I helped a friend move into a room in a pretty interesting house. First, a diagram of the upstairs, just because I thought it was so cool: Which level of "Zelda: A Link to the Past" was this?
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I get badly hand-drawn plans of buildings and spaces all the time due to my job, but that is really something special.
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Devor posted:ACQ is for quitters So THAT'S what ACQ is? Where I work now, we deal heavily in aluminum windows and doors. Putting our main supplier's product lines on ACQ-treated buck or wood frame voids the warranty. I bet arsenic and aluminum just get along famously.  No real clusterfuck stories, though. Yet.
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Leperflesh posted:I think they treat railroad ties with creosote. Those things last for over a century, totally exposed to weather and bugs. Can you use creosote-treated lumber architecturally? Fun fact: there are homes on the Navajo reservation built from creosote-treated railroad ties that were salvaged decades ago. At least some of these homes also have no electricity.
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D34THROW posted:So THAT'S what ACQ is? Where I work now, we deal heavily in aluminum windows and doors. Putting our main supplier's product lines on ACQ-treated buck or wood frame voids the warranty. I bet arsenic and aluminum just get along famously. No, ACQ is the alternative of choice that doesn't contain arsenic. It contains copper and quaternary ammonium. The copper will cause galvanic corrosion with aluminum.
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Zhentar posted:galvanic corrosion In all honesty it is probably CCA.
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Wife emailed me this morning around 10:30am with her colour choice, and I finished painting around 2:00pm. I gave it a few hours to dry and started installing drop ceiling at 5:00pm. Around 8:00pm I decided to call it a night and start re-evaluating the decisions I've made in my life. . . I hate drop ceiling, and would not wish it upon my worst enemy. It's definitely something you don't want to try and install alone, and if you have fewer than two ladders you are going to hate it even more. The best part I have discovered is trying to hold a 12' section of support "T" while trying to hook it on a temp wire, while trying to get a reading off the level so I know where it is supposed to be. Took me an hour before I thought to make about 10 prefab wire hooks at different lengths (incremental) so I could get it suspended temporarily without trying to do all of the above, while bending wire. I am 15% sure I will shoot myself when I get some tiles and possibly discover that there is not enough space between the rails and the beams to get them fitted. Hoping 2-3" is going to be enough, as I made it pretty close as it's not a call ceiling in there and I don't want a claustrophobic feeling in that room. Maybe pics tomorrow.
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I hate to say it, but that might not be enough. My friend's parents did a drop ceiling with 2" of space. I honestly have no idea how they got the tiles in, as we couldn't figure out how to get them down to run a temporary network when he was housesitting.
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What I'm planning on doing is refraining from installing the 2' cross pieces in a few strategic places and slide the tiles over to where they need to be placed. As I complete different runs, I'll begin replacing the cross pieces until I have one last tile. I'll slide it over an already installed tile, install the crosser, then pull it back to its space and voila!. . . or so the plan goes in my head.
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My dad and uncles installed a drop ceiling for my grandma, and well, one of those uncles hasn't talked to the rest of the family since. It was a pretty bad experience all around. e. to be clear they seriously had a fight over the drop ceiling and haven't talked for years because of it. 
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Baronjutter posted:People do dropped ceilings outside of office environments??
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I did a ~600 sqft section of my basement with them with ~2" of clearance. It was hell. Absolute hell.
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The low clearance ceilings are best served with flexible insulation tiles. If not, then you pop the cross sections as you go. For the last 2-3 pieces, slide the tiles up into the finished section before fully assembling the track. It takes longer but not a big deal. There are plenty of YouTube videos that show you how to do that. I've done a few ceiling where pipes hang so low, I had to notch the track and shave material from the actual tile. Now that's an exercise in frustration. Nitrox fucked around with this message at 13:17 on Apr 6, 2014 |
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/\ Yah, I'm getting semi-flexible tiles, but thought that the method you described would be the way to go. Good to know I wasn't barking up the wrong tree.Baronjutter posted:People do dropped ceilings outside of office environments?? I was going to do a typical drywall ceiling in my mud room/dog's room but decided that I would really like to have access to the plumbing that runs through the ceiling of this room. This is a north-facing room so it is the one with the most likelihood of freezing, so it would be nice to be able to address a problem (knock on wood) without having to rip 128 square feet of drywall out first. Personally I'm not really a fan of drop ceiling in anything other than a basement, but the situation seemed to call for it here.
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