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Bugsy posted:Too expensive.  It's more like Replicate; the big difference is that you only need to use one counterspell to counter something with strive, and you can't strive something onto the same target over and over.
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Bugsy posted:Too expensive. The only difference I see is that Strive doesn't let you target the same creature multiple times, which is sort of relevant with Heroic around.
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More importantly, this heralds the return of a fan favorite creature type: Starfish.
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More importantly: does mono-black's sweeper see play and lock up the deck through rotation, or is it too expensive and/or too weak to some of the format's best creatures?
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Also, this lady seems like a candidate for constructed play, though I don't know if she's powerful enough for existing Merfolk decks: A couple of good activations of her seem like they could win a game for you by themselves.
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 I'm excited to have another 2/1 for B. Get in my cube. taladel fucked around with this message at 05:15 on Apr 7, 2014 |
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I'd imagine it'd make trying to fit Nighthowler and Herald of Torment into a mono-black shell more appealing while running this wrath.
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Mike Flores's article starts with:quote:Why would I possibly want to blow up all my own creatures? ...and then talks about various Wrath effects for a few hundred words, and finally previews... a lovely one-drop Merfolk that looks best at home in a Group Hug Commander deck. Did he think he was getting Extinguish All Hope while writing the first 3/4ths of his article? If I didn't read the Extinguish All Hope article first, I would've been really disappointed that he didn't preview a playable Wrath*. * Okay, I don't actually read Flores articles, but there were still all the pictures of Wraths!
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Bugsy posted:And isnt strive just multi-kicker? Half of all mechanics are just kicker.
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I really like the versatility that one-armed minotaur bestow guy represents. It's a great one-drop, it can push through damage by pumping your best attacker or by taking out their best blocker. This is the kind of design space I wanted out of aura creatures. Now all I want is to see a bestow creature that's like a 2/5 with Defender or something.
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BJPaskoff posted:Mike Flores's article starts with: I think you're underrating the merfolk, but yes that is a very Floresian thing to do. The article could only be more Floresian if he started talking about Napster and/or Finkel, I think.
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taladel posted:I'm excited to have another 2/1 for B. This. Go Cube!
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BJPaskoff posted:Did he think Why would he start now?
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BJPaskoff posted:Mike Flores's article starts with: It was actually about symmetrical effects! Like wraths. And wraths. And.. wraths  .I don't think the Merfolk is that bad, though - she might not make the cut, but the effect is powerful enough to merit investigation.
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Looks like Journey Into Nyx is delivering on Enchantment matters. Neat.
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Black bestow aggro deck with the new minotaur, spiteful returned, herald of torment and nighthowler maybe? Add tormented hero to round out the one drop slot, maybe pain seer, and a suite of removal backed by the new sweeper?
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Yay, monstrosity's back! hopefully inspired and tribute stay dead though
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A big flaming stink posted:Yay, monstrosity's back! hopefully inspired and tribute stay dead though Presumably they are since they weren't mentioned in the mechanics of JOU article.
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tzirean posted:Now, all the Enchantress players explain why this isn't the card they have asked for! I'm not even an enchantress player but I can tell you: no shroud (already mentioned), lovely place on the mana curve. Even without shroud, I'm thinking it would have been much more playable as a 1G 0/1. Upsides: does cantrip itself, Replenish effects are suddenly massive value (though possibly win-more).
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JerryLee posted:lovely place on the mana curve. I could play Moat or a one-two punch of RiP and Energy Field, or I could play this 2/2 that does nothing to stop me from getting murdered! I like all the Enchantments that help Enchantress in this Enchantment block like
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Strive is pretty much multikicker and Constellation is Allies For Enchantments. Maybe the cards end up cool but mechanically that seems kinda uninspired.
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Attorney at Funk posted:I really like the versatility that one-armed minotaur bestow guy represents. It's a great one-drop, it can push through damage by pumping your best attacker or by taking out their best blocker. This is the kind of design space I wanted out of aura creatures. Now all I want is to see a bestow creature that's like a 2/5 with Defender or something. My thought as well. The Bestow effect is definitely one of the most interesting they've printed so far.
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Nehru the Damaja posted:Constellation is Allies For Enchantments. Hey, unlike Allies or Splice, they didn't demand an obscure type they'll never print again for it to work.
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Fingers McLongDong posted:Black bestow aggro deck with the new minotaur, spiteful returned, herald of torment and nighthowler maybe? Add tormented hero to round out the one drop slot, maybe pain seer, and a suite of removal backed by the new sweeper? An aggro deck would never play that sweeper. Sweepers are played against aggro decks, not in them. A deck like the one you describe would top out at Desecration Demon and wouldn't even sniff six mana. See this for an example.
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Attorney at Funk posted:I really like the versatility that one-armed minotaur bestow guy represents. It's a great one-drop, it can push through damage by pumping your best attacker or by taking out their best blocker. This is the kind of design space I wanted out of aura creatures. Now all I want is to see a bestow creature that's like a 2/5 with Defender or something. Yah, I've been waiting for a bestow creature with defender ever since the mechanic was spoiled. Given that minotaur, it seems likely that there will be one.
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Yessss, a one drop for my minotaur tribal that stays relevant mid to late game outside of being a minotaur.
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And suddenly I'm strongly tempted to grab a playset of Boros Charms and forsake my beloved Hidden Strings and make R/W Heroic  Maybe move the Hidden Strings and make this deliciously silly as hell B/U Heroic deck a friend showed me yesterday and laughed at my reaction to. Imagine turning an Artisan of Forms into an Agent of Fates, then casting another spell on it and using the Artisan's heroic trigger to turn into something nice on your opponent's field before the Artisan-as-Agent's heroic trigger also goes off and makes your opponent blow it up. Archenteron fucked around with this message at 05:40 on Apr 7, 2014 |
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Nehru the Damaja posted:Strive is pretty much multikicker and Constellation is Allies For Enchantments. Maybe the cards end up cool but mechanically that seems kinda uninspired. It's Theros, the entire set is uninspired and boring.
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taladel posted:An aggro deck would never play that sweeper. Sweepers are played against aggro decks, not in them. A deck like the one you describe would top out at Desecration Demon and wouldn't even sniff six mana. See this for an example. Well yeah I know about mono-b control. Im just spitballing ways to utilize all the black bestow guys since they seem to be the most useful in general and good all over the curve. I'm sure it will end up being another useless sweeper but black bestow control sounds kinda neat anyways.
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Nehru the Damaja posted:Strive is pretty much multikicker and Constellation is Allies For Enchantments. Maybe the cards end up cool but mechanically that seems kinda uninspired. 50% of all mechanics are kicker or multikicker, and they've frequently said they sort of regret kicker / multikicker existing as its a generic thing that covers massive swaths of modular card designs when making more narrow mechanics allows them to explore other areas of design. Strive seems largely unremarkable but it's clearly intended as a more draft-centered mechanic to give another tool for the heroes deck. And I dunno, there's only a few ways they could have done enchantment matters as a standalone without it outright duplicating stuff they previously did with artifacts. Allies were cool but overly narrow generally speaking other than in a parasitic "Allies" deck, this represents different ways to draft the existing sets and also gives any number of possible directions you could go with building around cards. I mean, you don't just need Constellation creatures to trigger Constellation, you can use any enchantment. I am pumped for most of the cards spoiled, especially the stupid 0/3 scrying Starfish because I am a moron. Fingers McLongDong posted:Well yeah I know about mono-b control. Im just spitballing ways to utilize all the black bestow guys since they seem to be the most useful in general and good all over the curve. I'm sure it will end up being another useless sweeper but black bestow control sounds kinda neat anyways. A bunch of the black bestow dudes are used in the BG Dredge deck that's floating around on the periphery of standard. It's a pretty fun deck.
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Zorak posted:A bunch of the black bestow dudes are used in the BG Dredge deck that's floating around on the periphery of standard. It's a pretty fun deck. Nah, that starfish is pretty kick rear end. I just hope they push constellation to the best of their abilities to put out cool effects. I rather adore enchantments and if they flop on this, we aren't going to get another block like this one for a long time.
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Zorak posted:I am pumped for most of the cards spoiled, especially the stupid 0/3 scrying Starfish because I am a moron. Same here!
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I'm sure I'm not the only one who's first instinct was to head over to magiccards.info and see what other Starfish creatures there were.
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Mr. Peepers posted:I'm sure I'm not the only one who's first instinct was to head over to magiccards.info and see what other Starfish creatures there were. I did the same. Bad news is that there is only one non-changeling starfish. Good news is that it multiplies itself.
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Mr. Peepers posted:I'm sure I'm not the only one who's first instinct was to head over to magiccards.info and see what other Starfish creatures there were. My first instinct was to start working on a Grand Architect list for Modern.
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Mr. Peepers posted:I'm sure I'm not the only one who's first instinct was to head over to magiccards.info and see what other Starfish creatures there were. I vaguely remembered only one, and it turned out it was the only one. Then I thought it was a Fallen Empires card, but I must've confused it with Homarid Spawning Bed for some reason. Probably because I can't think of too many blue token generators.
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