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Myriad Truths posted:Yeah but like white weenie isn't even a deck in the current meta so I think we might have been talking at cross purposes there. bit of a stretch to say that, it makes appearances here and there in top 16s. And if it wasnt a viable deck atm, Iroas potentially changes that
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Vomax posted:There's one black chroma card and it only cares about the graveyard. I've seen Grey Merchant in "normal" cubes as well, but it's not a popular inclusion I don't think. Edit: Sarcomancy is indeed a rare
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Apr 7, 2014 15:41
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Victor Surge posted:
No no no no no I'm not building RW EDH featuring this guy nonononononono
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Apr 7, 2014 15:46
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I love Iroas to death. I'm building RW heroic and my chief concern was how to replace Madcap Skills after rotation, since that card just ends games if not answered immediately. There we go. I was running a pure WW aggro build but it just doesn't have the reach to stop MBD or Esper/UW control from stabilizing at <8 life and winning, but making the deck slower and more punchy has given me good results.
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Apr 7, 2014 15:56
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Might give that a go myself, have Heavenly Inferno with the BW taken out as a base, and stuff like Gisela and Aurelia.
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Apr 7, 2014 15:58
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I'm really lame because I look at all the spoilers and go "How can I fit this into my multiplayer EDH decks"
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Apr 7, 2014 16:02
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The more I look at it, the more I think he really doesn't have a place in current standard. The playable gods we have right now are Thassa, Ephara, Erebos, and Xenagos. Thassa and Ephara have extremely relevant abilities (evasion and card advantage) for their decks, and it is rarely important if they get turned on. Xenagos has a much more narrow role, but provides haste and increased power. Erebos is just Sulfuric Vortex, but he's dang good at that. Iroas's abilities do nothing versus control and mono B, while providing questionable benefit versus monsters and mono U. I really don't believe that a Boros colored Gruul War Chant is nearly value to be played in a current deck. Now if a new deck springs up around him, that's a different matter.
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Apr 7, 2014 16:05
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Could there also be a R/W Aggro deck that uses Akroan Hoplite, Archetype of Aggression and Iroas?
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Apr 7, 2014 16:07
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Elyv posted:MaRo posted on his blog today that there are a couple inspired cards in Journey, I'll find it when I'm not on my phone. Here: http://markrosewater.tumblr.com/post/81966129094/was-inspired-cut-out-of-journey-into-nyx-for-flavor-or quote:flopfoot asked: Was Inspired cut out of Journey into Nyx for flavor or space reasons? If it is space, then I really think third sets should be allowed to be a bit larger than second sets (like in New Phyrexia).
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Apr 7, 2014 16:09
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If any red multicolor god becomes a thing, I bet it's Mogis due to inevitability. Count Bleck posted:Honestly I think they just made Inspired so they could make Dark Confidant v0.5 Only thing I can see is black oak with bob2.0, so ya. And retraction helix I guess.
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Apr 7, 2014 16:12
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BXCX posted:My favorite part of Constellation is Mana Bloom getting picked up as a speculation target again after it first got a lot of hype in Theros spoiler season and never went anywhere. Another speculation target is Legion's Initiative. If there's a constructed playable constellation card in red or white you could flicker all your enchantment creatures and get multiple triggers, which might make it worth a slot.
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Apr 7, 2014 16:15
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Korak posted:Can someone point out how Iroas, God of Victory isn't completely broken in the current meta? Lifebane Zombie is legal until October. White splash black decks are stronger, and Red splash white aggro/devotion are on the wrong side of Lifebane. Despite that, I'm still praying for Kruphix to be constructed playable 
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Elyv posted:Here: http://markrosewater.tumblr.com/post/81966129094/was-inspired-cut-out-of-journey-into-nyx-for-flavor-or Really? That's bizarre because its not listed on the Mechanics page.
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Fox of Stone posted:If any red multicolor god becomes a thing, I bet it's Mogis due to inevitability. That's saying a lot for Keranos not being spoiled yet. Remember, blue does everything best (see: Thassa, Ephara). Also I thought Xenagos, God of Revels was a thing in monsters? Zoness fucked around with this message at 16:36 on Apr 7, 2014 |
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Apr 7, 2014 16:30
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ChewyLSB posted:Really? That's bizarre because its not listed on the Mechanics page. Maybe all the inspired cards got removed and Rosewater forgot, I really have no idea.
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Apr 7, 2014 16:36
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Elyv posted:Maybe all the inspired cards got removed and Rosewater forgot, I really have no idea. Well, inspired was a pretty uninspired mechanic, so not a big loss either way.
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Apr 7, 2014 16:37
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Zoness posted:That's saying a lot for Keranos not being spoiled yet. When's the last time UR was good though? I guess briefly in Innistrad before everyone learned white was a better partner in Delver?
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Apr 7, 2014 16:49
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Nehru the Damaja posted:When's the last time UR was good though? I guess briefly in Innistrad before everyone learned white was a better partner in Delver? Izzet Blitz Rest in Peace 
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Apr 7, 2014 16:50
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Mildly amused that Lash of the Whip will kill Iroas.
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Apr 7, 2014 16:56
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AegisP posted:Mildly amused that Lash of the Whip will kill Iroas. He's more resistant to removal as an enchantment, but his abilities reward a full board, meaning he'll be turned on more often than not, making him more vulnerable to removal. A balanced downside?
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Apr 7, 2014 17:09
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Nehru the Damaja posted:When's the last time UR was good though? I guess briefly in Innistrad before everyone learned white was a better partner in Delver? When Shard Phoenix and Capsize were standard legal.
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Apr 7, 2014 17:18
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MrBling posted:When Shard Phoenix and Capsize were standard legal. That's a funny way to say Twin, Dragonstorm, or Izzetron.
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Apr 7, 2014 17:25
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So apparently Buyback was in Journey Into Nyx for a while:Ethan Fleischer posted:The development team tried replacing resupply with buyback, a mechanic originally introduced in Tempest block. I was actually pretty horrified, as buyback creates repetitive game states. The card designs were much better than the buyback cards of old; there were no Capsizes or Constant Mists in the set, but I was still concerned.
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Konstantin posted:Another speculation target is Legion's Initiative. If there's a constructed playable constellation card in red or white you could flicker all your enchantment creatures and get multiple triggers, which might make it worth a slot. That seems reasonable though since even if Initiative doesn't end up as a thing in standard it's a Mythic that has kitchen table/casual appeal from a poorly opened set. Bloom at its best could read "G: Trigger Constellation at sorcery speed once per turn."
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Apr 7, 2014 17:35
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Lieutenant Centaur posted:I'm really lame because I look at all the spoilers and go "How can I fit this into my multiplayer EDH decks" I actually like the Glorious Anthem artifact for MUDERGOATS.dec as a way to buff certain tokens based on the matchup.
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Zoness posted:That's a funny way to say Twin, Dragonstorm, or Izzetron. Let's not forget U/R Pyromancer Ascension, when both Preordain and Ponder were Standard legal.
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Apr 7, 2014 18:13
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I really hope Pharika is good, I like the art and I always wanted to try the golgari deck but didn't think it really had an effective finisher.
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Would one of our resident grecophiles like to weigh in on the pronunciation of 'Leucrocota' right now and save us all some trouble? You know, for when I'm being passed yet another of those things as the last card in a draft-pack. I'm guessing 'loo-cro-CO-tuh'.
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Fresh leeches. Chainsawdomy posted:Would one of our resident grecophiles like to weigh in on the pronunciation of 'Leucrocota' right now and save us all some trouble? You know, for when I'm being passed yet another of those things as the last card in a draft-pack. Lou Crow Kota
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Bugsy posted:Spear of Heliod does everything the Hall does and has a good ability, plus you don't have to limit yourself to one color. Yes, but Spear is Legendary, which means you can only have one out at a time. I'm saying you play both in your deck, so you can have two anthem effects out at the same time, which is something WW would be happy to do.
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BXCX posted:My favorite part of Constellation is Mana Bloom getting picked up as a speculation target again after it first got a lot of hype in Theros spoiler season and never went anywhere. Chorocojo posted:Fresh leeches. Korak fucked around with this message at 19:11 on Apr 7, 2014 |
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Korak posted:
Seems too slow for aggro (especially with Mutavaults / Shocklands) and slower decks have more resilient finishers. If you're casting it on turn 4, it's a vanilla 4/4 or 3/3, and there's better things you could be doing there. If you're planning for turn 8 you're not an aggro deck.
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Korak posted:1 mana draw a card in green is pretty decent in certain decks, the main problem will be having to wait till turn 4-5 to get use off it and needing two cards to do so. Probably too christmas-y. No evasion and no resilience to removal makes him a 4/4 for 4 on the best of days. For the same mana you get a 6/6 flier or The Abyss every turn, which is *just* a bit better.
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Entropic posted:Seems too slow for aggro (especially with Mutavaults / Shocklands) and slower decks have more resilient finishers. You probably mean scrylands since he plays fine with (black) shocklands.  That said, I imagine it's definitely too slow. Remember that the gold standard in black for 4 mana is a 6/6 with evasion.
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Could this be what mono-black wants to replace Desecration Demon after it rotates? It's obviously not as good on turn 4, but it's definitely better in the late game, and can actually block if/when you need it to.
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JerryLee posted:You probably mean scrylands since he plays fine with (black) shocklands. Yeah, that's what I meant. Though aggro decks probably don't want scry lands. I still think they would rather play Demon or Mogis or something at 4 though.
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Chainsawdomy posted:Would one of our resident grecophiles like to weigh in on the pronunciation of 'Leucrocota' right now and save us all some trouble? You know, for when I'm being passed yet another of those things as the last card in a draft-pack. If it's how I think it is, it's Λευκροκότα, pronounced "lefkroKOta" (caps are for the intonation). "lef" as in "left", "kro" as in "cro magnon", "ko" as in "kodama's reach" and "ta" as in "tantalus". Still a shame Theros doesn't get actual Greek cards (like the Questing Phelddagrif promo), actually, it would have been a good opportunity.
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Nehru the Damaja posted:When's the last time UR was good though? I guess briefly in Innistrad before everyone learned white was a better partner in Delver? In legacy, like a month ago. UR Delver still gets play, UWR may be better a good chunk of the time, but the legacy metagame is weirdly fluid and changing for how static the archetypes are, and UR definitely shows up as a good deck from time to time.
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Squelching Leeches doesn't even seem that great for limited. Unless you can somehow pull of a mono-black deck it's going to be like a 3/3 for 4 or turn 4 or 5 at best, and by the time you're at 7 or 8 mana it's still not going toe-to-toe with the big green dinosaurs.
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Madmarker posted:In legacy, like a month ago. UR Delver still gets play, UWR may be better a good chunk of the time, but the legacy metagame is weirdly fluid and changing for how static the archetypes are, and UR definitely shows up as a good deck from time to time. Yeah I meant standard since we're talking about the odds that a new UR card will be good, though. UR Delver was awesome for like... two events in Innistrad and I imagine that's the most recent, unless you count really token amounts of red in UW control decks.
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