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Faber posted:
Makes sense. If I thought the Russians had annexed Miami, I'd want us to intervene too.
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Please tell me that there are towns called Ukraine in the US and that people seriously didn't think Russia invaded them.
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I'm pretty sure the people who answered that Ukraine was in the midwestern U.S. were just loving with the surveyors.
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Apr 8, 2014 20:07
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I have a feeling that maps/surveys like that really measure the baseline rate of people who gently caress with surveys.
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Rumda posted:Please tell me that there are towns called Ukraine in the US and that people seriously didn't think Russia invaded them. But nobpdy thinks Russia invaded Mexico. That would just be silly. e: 
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Apr 8, 2014 20:19
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Looks mostly accurate honestly.
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What's the worse explanation for those dots in the US, that people thought Russia invaded the US or that they weren't aware that's where the US is?
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Rumda posted:Please tell me that there are towns called Ukraine in the US and that people seriously didn't think Russia invaded them.
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I like the dot in the Falkland Islands.
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Apr 8, 2014 20:36
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"The Ukraine? Oh, yeah that big glacier that is by Canada and Iceland".
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Apr 8, 2014 20:42
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Torrannor posted:I like the dot in the Falkland Islands. Yeah I think that's my favorite. Explains why Raygun was so ready to help Big Mags out!
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made of bees posted:What's the worse explanation for those dots in the US, that people thought Russia invaded the US or that they weren't aware that's where the US is? I'd say its people that didn't know and just chose a random spot. Spoeank posted:It's very interesting that there is a straight line corresponding to some line of latitude in the middle of Russia & Western China. People (mostly) seem to know it's in Europe or maybe the Middle East and not Asia, and that's reflected on this map. That's pretty neat. Yeah that looks... wrong. There is no distinguishing feature along that line; its basically middle of nowhere Russia. It makes me wonder if there was a different version of the map that didn't show the entire world, and that was a border. But no that doesn't make sense, because why would people choose right at the border? Still seems wrong to me, the line is way too straight. And Kazakhstan is a fairly reasonable guess on this thing too. Massive Eurasian steppe? Check.
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Nevermind the US, what's with the clump of guesses on Ellesmere Island? (What Google Maps tells me the big Canadian island near Greenland is called.) To be fair, I'd be worried if Russia was annexing huge chunks of Canada too.
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Darth Various posted:Nevermind the US, what's with the clump of guesses on Ellesmere Island? (What Google Maps tells me the big Canadian island near Greenland is called.) To be fair, I'd be worried if Russia was annexing huge chunks of Canada too. Yeah, they'd really prosper well with even more frozen wasteland under their rule.
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Darth Various posted:Nevermind the US, what's with the clump of guesses on Ellesmere Island? (What Google Maps tells me the big Canadian island near Greenland is called.) To be fair, I'd be worried if Russia was annexing huge chunks of Canada too. It's not too far from Russia. 
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Apr 8, 2014 21:23
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quote:college graduates (21 percent correct) were more likely to know where Ukraine was than non-college graduates (13 percent correct)
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Apr 8, 2014 21:28
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Faber posted:
I like the vertical line right next to Mongolia. Clicking anything east of that would require you to scroll on a 4:3 ratio monitor.
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Peanut President posted:American education system.txt "where Ukraine was/is" is defined as "put the dot in the right borders", though. If you had asked them what region Ukraine was in you'd probably have at least double of those numbers.
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computer parts posted:"where Ukraine was/is" is defined as "put the dot in the right borders", though. So what? If you asked them what continent it would be even higher.
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Apr 8, 2014 21:45
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How many people put the dot in the Crimea and were then marked wrong?
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Modern Day Hercules posted:So what? If you asked them what continent it would be even higher. Because it's not terribly relevant where exactly Ukraine is outside of "Eastern Europe". The only vaguely important thing would be the fact that it sits on the Black Sea because that explains the importance of Crimea (and if you notice, the other red spots are countries that border the Black Sea).
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Peanut President posted:American education system.txt Most people have never had Ukraine on their mind and they're not a country that really comes up in the news at all before now. It's not really unexpected most people wouldn't know exactly where Ukraine is like most Europeans probably don't know exactly where Indiana is(or Ghana to use a country)
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Apr 8, 2014 21:49
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Preferably everyone would know exactly where every country is
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Apr 8, 2014 21:57
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Whenever Europeans complain that Americans don't know anything about the rest of the world what they really mean is that Americans don't know anything about Europe.
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Apr 8, 2014 21:59
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Farecoal posted:Preferably everyone would know exactly where every country is Not knowing where is the largest country in Europe is kind-of strange no matter where you live.
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kalstrams posted:Not knowing where is the largest country in Europe is kind-of strange no matter where you live. But we know where Russia is? 
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computer parts posted:Because it's not terribly relevant where exactly Ukraine is outside of "Eastern Europe". The only vaguely important thing would be the fact that it sits on the Black Sea because that explains the importance of Crimea (and if you notice, the other red spots are countries that border the Black Sea). It becomes increasingly relevant if people are discussing military action against that country. Just as language, ethnic groups, history, resources and so forth are relevant to US foreign policy and especially where going to war with Russia is concerned. If someone backs a military attack, I'd hope they'd know quite a bit about the place to be attacked, otherwise they just back it because the TV tells them to. Which is kinda the point of that map I think.
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computer parts posted:But we know where Russia is? That is another problem. Some people like to call Russia a European country for some obscure reasons.
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Count Roland posted:It becomes increasingly relevant if people are discussing military action against that country. Just as language, ethnic groups, history, resources and so forth are relevant to US foreign policy and especially where going to war with Russia is concerned. I'll be concerned when this is a poll of Congressmen. kalstrams posted:That is another part problem. Some people like to call Russia a European country for some obscure reasons. Because It's in Europe.
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computer parts posted:Because It's in Europe.
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computer parts posted:I'll be concerned when this is a poll of Congressmen. If that's your argument then you might as well not even ask anybody anything because there's absolutely nothing about Ukraine that is relevant to the average American. Even if we went to war with Ukraine the average American wouldn't need to know poo poo about Ukraine. What difference would it make?
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cheerfullydrab posted:If Russia gets to be European, so does Turkey and Kazakhstan. 77% of Russia's population lives in Europe, compared to 12% for Turkey and 4% of Kazakhstan. Russian is a Slavic Language and Russia is mostly Christian.
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cheerfullydrab posted:If Russia gets to be European, so does Turkey and Kazakhstan.
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esquilax posted:77% of Russia's population lives in Europe, compared to 12% for Turkey and 4% of Kazakhstan. Russian is a Slavic Language and Russia is mostly Christian. Though Turkey had a pretty major bid to join the EU before everything went to poo poo.
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cheerfullydrab posted:If Russia gets to be European, so does Turkey and Kazakhstan. I'm fine with that. I used to be terrible at geography then I got addicted to Paradox games and now I can pretty much tell you the exact borders, population, ethnicity, and religion of Count Podunk IV Bumfuck's realm in 1128AD.
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It can't be much less European than Belarus or Ukraine.
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cheerfullydrab posted:If Russia gets to be European, so does Turkey and Kazakhstan. They are in UEFA, so I say, why not?
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Modern Day Hercules posted:If that's your argument then you might as well not even ask anybody anything because there's absolutely nothing about Ukraine that is relevant to the average American. Even if we went to war with Ukraine the average American wouldn't need to know poo poo about Ukraine. What difference would it make? Depends on what you mean by relevant. The average American needn't know anything at all about the outside world. For the country to function they need merely to work and buy things. If you assume a democratic nation should have educated citizens in order to elect responsible representatives to act on their behalf, you might be concerned. But nobody should be surprised by this, or think it is limited to the US.
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Sir Mat of Dickie posted:It's can't be much less European than Belarus or Ukraine. Unlike Belarus or Ukraine, Russia's core territory is not completely, and not even primarily, within Europe.
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For a while my only knowledge of Ukraine was flying missions over it in Jane's Flight Simulator.
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