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I really wish Moraz would've been able to stick around. Relayer is IMO as good as any Yes album and I think he really breathes some fresh air into it. He definitely had the talent. Check out the Refugee album, which was basically The Nice with Moraz instead of Emerson - he fills that role quite well which is no small statement.
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Moraz's fills at the beginning of Sound Chaser are just as memorable as anything Wakeman ever recorded imo
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For sure, but as a whole Relayer strikes me as the album where Howe finally went nuts, in a good way. The last track is quite tame but nearly everything else is downright crazy in a way you wouldn't associate with Yes.
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# ? Apr 3, 2014 16:34 |
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Henchman of Santa posted:Are there any great American prog rock bands? It just dawned on me that I can't think of any. It's been mentioned already, but MOTHER loving KANSAS...they put the rock in prog rock, but could prog out with the best of them back in the day. Here's the Pinnacle...from Masque, my fav Kansas record. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bexLEIiXZo
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Henchman of Santa posted:Are there any great American prog rock bands? It just dawned on me that I can't think of any. The genre's heyday was almost entirely British. Canada has Rush. Germany and Italy have some stuff. We have progressive metal down pretty well, but besides like, Tool (who aren't really the same style), are there any notable bands to come out of the States? Just curious. Italian prog is a bit more than 'some stuff', there were tons of bands there(still quite a few) and the best ones were easily as good if not better than what the british were doing. Saying the genre was almost entirely british is reductive when you had things like the french zeuhl bands or quite a few scandinavian groups as well.
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Since I earlier posted what Patrick Moraz had to say, I thought I would post an open letter from Eddie Jobson about his very brief time in Yes as well as his interaction with the prog rock scene. Again, its not a happy story, and Eddie dodged the bullet that later hit Moraz (at least the first time). However it does offer a glimpse behind the curtain and the personalities of rock stars. This is from Jobson's website:Eddie Jobson posted:
There you have it. I have one more interview to post once I find it concerning the period of the Union album.
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We've heard sides of the story particularly from Bill Bruford, Rick Wakeman, but here is a very different side of the story from the producer of Union: Jonathan Elias. His story is just as hosed up, but for totally different reasons.Jonathan Elias interview posted:The making of Union is shrouded in mystery: perhaps you can shed some light on its proceedings. You seem to have written a number of the songs for Union with Jon Anderson in the studio. Was that because of a shortage of good enough material or a planned collaboration? There you have it. Drama indeed! And the album sold as many copies as the ABWH album: about 750,000. Gold, just 250k short of a platinum album.
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What an amazing interview.
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# ? Apr 6, 2014 19:45 |
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I've never read what Bruford and Wakeman have had to say, does anyone have a link to that stuff?
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Declan MacManus posted:I've never read what Bruford and Wakeman have had to say, does anyone have a link to that stuff? Well, there was the Classic Artists interview dvd taken after the 2004 tour but before Jon got sick, as well as Bruford's autobiography. Bruford and Wakeman in the both said said that the Union album was a horrible mishmash where all of the original members' parts were taken off and overdubbed. Wakeman threw his copy of Union out of his car while on a Florida highway. He said he doesn't even classify it as a Yes album. He seemed excited to work with Trevor Rabin, especially since neither of them were getting along with Steve Howe. That is pretty funny considering Wakeman was just as much against Rabin as the rest back in 1983, according to the letter from Eddie Jobson. Bruford also talks about it in his biography. When it was going to be ABWH II, Bruford for together with Steve Howe and Tony Levin for some jam sessions that looked really promising. Suddenly Jon and Rick come in with Brian Lane to announce that they are now part of Yes again as a huge supergroup. Bill was upset from the get go, because he still had problems with Squire (the only reason he agreed to do ABWH was if Levin took Squire's place). THen the money starts REALLY pouring in, and there were loads of expensive dinners in the French countryside with no ideas. This is what worried Bruford about the budget so much. "He who pays the piper calls the tune", Bruford states. He says the record company got VERY involved with the making of the record because of the large budget. Therefore they could dictate how the record would sound with Jon going along with them. I never caught any interviews with comments from Jon Anderson or Steve Howe about the making of the Union record. Now the tour is a different soap opera, mainly issues between Howe and Rabin. Wakeman was upstaging Tony Kaye, Bruford seemed like he was just collecting a paycheck since Alan White didn't want to give up the drums as much (pretty much Rabin's attitude as well). Bruford would play trickier songs like Heart of the Sunrise (which he co-wrote) but otherwise played electronic percussion effects, except for the one Madison Square Garden show where it shut down. There's a lot to it.
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This is quite out of date, but I just listened to the new Fate's Warning. Probably the best FW album I've heard since A Pleasant Shade of Grey, and I encourage anyone who hasn't listened to them but liked "Disconnected" and "FWX" to check it out.
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Declan MacManus posted:I've never read what Bruford and Wakeman have had to say, does anyone have a link to that stuff? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPsGfhQpUWg Also, from the book "Yesstory" Bruford stated that it was the only recording he ever worked that he actually hated. Wakeman calls it the onion album because it makes him cry. He had to get several copies of the tape because every time he tried listening to it in his car he wound up throwing it out the window. He hated "%100 of the keyboard work on the album". Howe really only liked masquerade and felt like the the other ABWH songs could have been much better if they were given time to work together on it. Steve Howe was always a hero of mine, and I met him in person once, a really nice guy, very grateful to his fans and not above spending time to talk with them. But then there was this incident: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4WCkoRmcXH8 It's kind of sad that there's so much negativity from a lot of the ex-yes members. That Jobson story was pretty brutal. Jonathan Elias seems a little suspect though. I never got the sense that Jon, Rick and Steve couldn't get along. It seemed like ABWH, at least, was a very successful project and that the stuff they were working on for the second album (that was later turned into Union) was very promising. And him saying that they couldn't play their instruments anymore? They had just come off of that enormously successful ABWH tour where all the members were arguably at their peak performance-wise. More likely is that the album was just being rushed and they weren't too thrilled with it becoming "Yes" all of a sudden. Gianthogweed fucked around with this message at 23:34 on Apr 8, 2014 |
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In defense of Yes "Union" , The more we live Let go" was a pretty loving fantastic piece of work. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ajxABx3Zn8 I can't believe I just defended that record....I did see the tour though
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I was relistening to Sing to God on the way to and from work today (this commute is going to kill me), and Dirty Boy is still one of the best things I've ever heard. You'd think a 9-minute song couldn't effectively build to a climax when it pretty much starts at climax intensity, but then the coda hits, and Jesus Christ. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-dd4fMUhAY
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# ? Apr 9, 2014 23:51 |
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I just want to say that all of the music that iTunes radio plays when you give it Porcupine Tree is the best.
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FrankenVader posted:In defense of Yes "Union" , The more we live Let go" was a pretty loving fantastic piece of work. I understand. I love that song too. As much of an ABWH Yes-East, Trooper, etc fan I am, I think that is probably my favorite song on that album. I also think Angkor Wat, Evensong, and Take the Water to the Mountain are great. All four of those songs are ambient and spacey, which is how I like my Yes. I saw the tour as well, on my birthday. It was anything but boring, I can say that!
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I'd love to hear some boots of the ABWH period. The album itself sounds way too light to my ears. Like as lightweight as Tormato was, ABWH seems even lighter, 4-part suites or no. On the other hand I really do enjoy Big Generator quite a bit, more than 90125 at least; it's big blocky AOR pop but it's a million times better than the junk that Asia were pumping out.
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Gimmedaroot posted:I understand. I love that song too. As much of an ABWH Yes-East, Trooper, etc fan I am, I think that is probably my favorite song on that album. I also really like that third of Union, plus I Would Have Waited Forever, which is at least as strong as anything on 90125. Evensong was a Tony Levin / Bill Bruford composition, and there's a very similar piece (practically an extended version of Evensong) called Jewels on Levin's album World Diary.
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I was quite disappointed to find out that Run Through the Light is the only song from Drama that hasn't been played live. I need more of it in my life.
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From the discussion, I'd suggest people check out Bruford Levin Upper Extremities, which was Bill and Tony plus David Torn and Chris Botti (or now smooth jazz fame). Also Theo Travis posted from 'Cruise to the Edge' that wireless on the boat is $300 for 24h... lol.
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Rust Martialis posted:
holy gently caress, I hope performers are exempt from that.
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Olibu posted:I was quite disappointed to find out that Run Through the Light is the only song from Drama that hasn't been played live. I need more of it in my life. Agreed! after ABWHS, my fav Yes lineup is the Drama team, I have no idea why. maybe because its such a different band.
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Ian Anderson's Homo Erraticus is now out! You can get it on iTunes, but it isn't available anywhere else yet, as far as I know.
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MegaZeroX posted:Ian Anderson's Homo Erraticus is now out! You can get it on iTunes, but it isn't available anywhere else yet, as far as I know. I am waiting for mine to arrive from Burning Shed, which was shipped last week. It is coming with the new 5.1 mix of The Yes Album by Steve Wilson. It should be any day now!
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Oh poo poo, I didn't realize Steven Wilson was remixing The Yes Album!
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# ? Apr 15, 2014 02:57 |
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Iucounu posted:Oh poo poo, I didn't realize Steven Wilson was remixing The Yes Album! I'm irked they're remixing it but not doing a vinyl edition.
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# ? Apr 15, 2014 13:10 |
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Is Steven Wilson doing a whole remaster series or is it just The Yes Album in the immediate term? I haven't even finished getting all the 2003 remasters yet
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Rust Martialis posted:I'm irked they're remixing it but not doing a vinyl edition. Am I an idiot, or wouldn't an LP version defeat the point of a 5.1 mix?
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BigFactory posted:Am I an idiot, or wouldn't an LP version defeat the point of a 5.1 mix? You can't have 5.1 on an LP, no. But since they're already remastering and reissuing stuff, a new mastered LP release would be nice. They did it for King Crimson with 5.1 mixes on Blu-ray and new stereo mixes for vinyl.
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I wish he would do Going For The One. That's the classic album most in need of a good remix.
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# ? Apr 16, 2014 02:49 |
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Is the Peter Banks stuff getting remastered? I can't find any information on it and that's always the most overlooked period of Yes. Also I went back and listened to ABWH and while they're better than the Rabin incarnation of Yes, it's not... great. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wUjsSgIUoHQ Rick Wakeman is using default patches on that keyboard or something because it sounds dated as hell and Howe has like zero energy. Jeff Berlin and Bill Bruford kill it, and Jon Anderson and his voice are ageless. So I'd listen to 60% of this band I guess? (I absolutely would have listened to a Jeff Berlin/Bill Bruford/Jon Anderson supergroup)
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Declan MacManus posted:Is the Peter Banks stuff getting remastered? I can't find any information on it and that's always the most overlooked period of Yes.
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# ? Apr 16, 2014 15:53 |
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Bruford/Berlin/Anderson would have been great, but at least we got two albums of Bruford/Berlin/Holdsworth.
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Iucounu posted:I wish he would do Going For The One. That's the classic album most in need of a good remix. That is actually next on his list since they have been performing it lately... Regarding the ABWH performance, it didn't help that just like the Yes Union dvd, they filmed it towards the end of the tour. I've heard better boots, but when I saw it live on Pay Per View at the time, it was my first exposure to Yes and I was impressed. Gimmedaroot fucked around with this message at 23:30 on Apr 16, 2014 |
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Gimmedaroot posted:That is actually next on his list since they have been performing it lately... This definitely does sound like it's going to become a full series.
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Iucounu posted:Oh poo poo, I didn't realize Steven Wilson was remixing The Yes Album! Steven Wilson is also apparently remixing Gentle Giant's 'The Power & the Glory'.
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Octy posted:Steven Wilson is also apparently remixing Gentle Giant's 'The Power & the Glory'. Stop remixing everything under the sun and either get back in the studio solo or as Porcupine Tree already.
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# ? Apr 17, 2014 12:25 |
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I mean he's still doing new albums on a yearly basis. I just wonder where he finds the time.
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Helicity posted:Stop remixing everything under the sun and either get back in the studio solo or as Porcupine Tree already. The Incident was really dull so he either needs to time travel and spend more time with mikael akerfeldt circa 2004 or w/e or make another voyage 34
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Helicity posted:Stop remixing everything under the sun and either get back in the studio solo or as Porcupine Tree already. http://www.prog-sphere.com/news/steven-wilson-announces-new-solo-album/
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