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berzerkmonkey posted:This is my fear as well - "Oh, I love Epic, but I play the 10mm version, so I wouldn't be able to play with your group..." Yea, it'd be a shame to dilute the current epic 'niche' group with an influx of new players who don't know anything about the older game. I think I'd still buy into it though, just for shiny new models more than anything else. Daedleh posted:It really, really wouldn't surprise me at this point if they did switch the scales. Well the immediate bonus for GW is that if you want to play 'new' epic then you can't just go dig out your dusty old armies from the loft and re-use them, you're going to have to buy new. For that reason alone it makes sense for them to switch scales. Secondly, new 10mm vs old 6mm = bigger titans / gargants / et al = bigger kits = charge more. They were charging in the region of, I think, £30 for the old metal great gargant which isn't the largest of models.. somewhere between 8-10cm tall I think? imagine what they could do with the new plastic technology these days for titans and then imagine the price tag  Thirdly, there's a market for small scale games, DZC et al show that much, it'd be silly of them to not try to tap into it Secretly hoping they do re-release epic in some decent form 
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Apr 11, 2014 12:27
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Reynold posted:I'm trying to do this with Gorbag's Revenge and a few terror ships. I have no idea if this is going to work or not. Pssh. 1 Kill Kroozer + ~40 Brute Ramships 
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Indolent Bastard posted:My final design and first test pieces. Bought some of these and they are GREAT. Wound, No ammo, On fire, Broken, Hidden, Run and Overwatch. Good quality and great style, my boxset ones needed a rest anyway and having no ammo, on fire and wound (for flesh wounds) are gonna save me and my friends some bookkeeping.
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Apr 11, 2014 13:41
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Pau posted:Bought some of these and they are GREAT. Yay for successful international posting of stuff! I'm glad they arrived and that you like them.
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Apr 11, 2014 15:29
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enri posted:Yea, it'd be a shame to dilute the current epic 'niche' group with an influx of new players who don't know anything about the older game. With this sort of bullshit grognard attitude, the Epic hobby deserves to die.
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PeterWeller posted:With this sort of bullshit grognard attitude, the Epic hobby deserves to die. I think he's referring to a group of gamers that would come in with new rulesets and a different scale of models, further isolating the existing Epic players. And even if you are correct and this is his view, you're being an rear end for condemning an entire gaming system to its death because of one rear end in a top hat (again, I don't think that's what Enri intended.) This reminds me - at Adepticon, a guy we met had all his models and stuff stolen at the airport. As a result, he had to drop out of the games he was going to play, so he decided to wander around. He happened to stop by the Warmachine tourney and though it looked interesting. He asked one of the players a question, and the guy responded with "Shut the gently caress up and get out of here, neckbeard." (Note that the guy asking the question is, in fact, pretty far from being a neckbeard.) So the guy left the Warmachine room and wandered off and found our group, where we welcomed him to the world of Specialist Games. So, way to promote your hobby, Warmachine guy. Thanks for being a total rear end in a top hat, because we got a pretty nice guy with lots and lots of money (his family is wealthy) who now is throwing cash at SG stuff and getting his rich lawyer friends interested as well.
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berzerkmonkey posted:I think he's referring to a group of gamers that would come in with new rulesets and a different scale of models, further isolating the existing Epic players. I wonder how mad the criminals get when they realize they stole tin soldiers instead of expensive camera equipment?
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Apr 11, 2014 16:56
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enri posted:Those fuckers would do it in 10mm to gently caress with the people who actually stuck by Epic if this happened. Then they could do ridiculously huge titan kits for ridiculously huge prices as well. I'd be way more into Flames of Warhammer than I would be into microarmor 40k. 10-15mm would be a fun scale and still allow some of the character that the 40k universe is so big on to really shine through.
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SRM posted:I'd be way more into Flames of Warhammer than I would be into microarmor 40k. 10-15mm would be a fun scale and still allow some of the character that the 40k universe is so big on to really shine through. I completely agree. I love how much character they managed to get into the Warmaster scale, for instance.
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berzerkmonkey posted:I think he's referring to a group of gamers that would come in with new rulesets and a different scale of models, further isolating the existing Epic players. Haha, okay. Epic is dead. It has been out of print for over a decade. The current players can't get any more isolated than they already are, and any influx of new players would be a huge boon whether or not they are familiar with the old rules sets.
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Indolent Bastard posted:I wonder how mad the criminals get when they realize they stole tin soldiers instead of expensive camera equipment? PeterWeller posted:Haha, okay. Epic is dead. It has been out of print for over a decade. The current players can't get any more isolated than they already are, and any influx of new players would be a huge boon whether or not they are familiar with the old rules sets.
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Would anyone be able to send me a collection of the PDFs for battlefleet gothic that GW just pulled from their site? I assume that this does not count as  since I cannot buy them anywhere. Specifically I am looking for the token sheets with the torpedo, fighter and blast marker images.
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berzerkmonkey posted:True, it is out of print, but I'd argue that Epic is dead. There is an active community supporting it, and our group sees one or two new players a year. Granted, there will never be any significant growth, but there are people out there doing a good job of promoting and supporting it. I admire the efforts to keep it on life support, but it's still basically a dead game that gets harder to get into every year, and a new edition would be the best thing that could happen to it, even if it wasn't as good as the old game because it would generate interest and provide a steady supply of new models for new players. I'm sorry I jokingly wished death on the game you love, but Enri's post struck me as the worst sort of grognard bullshit: "but what if the new edition attracts players who don't know about the old edition?" Who loving cares? If I misunderstood him, I apologize.
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PeterWeller posted:With this sort of bullshit grognard attitude, the Epic hobby deserves to die. berzerkmonkey posted:I think he's referring to a group of gamers that would come in with new rulesets and a different scale of models, further isolating the existing Epic players. Yea in hindsight it doesn't read that well does it? I'm all for new epic players, the thing I would worry about losing (i.e. being diluted) is the close-knit epic playing 'family' that I've grown fond of the past few years since getting back into it (prior to realising that people were still playing it) - you go to an epic tournament in the UK and you know 90% of the people there, the other 10%? You'll know them for the next tournament. It would be a great shame for that existing base of players to be spread amongst a multitude of tournaments in the UK, only seeing each other once a year or less. The epic community knows it's time has been and gone so any new blood is welcomed with open arms. It's not unheard of for people to turn up to an epic tournament, with a borrowed army, having never played a single game before. Their opponents will take the time to walk them through the game, tournament points lose their importance at that point. At my first epic tournament, I played against someone in this situation, it was the final game of the day - the only important thing is that guy had a good time, his three games were a bit of an intense lesson in how to play and he made mistakes left right and centre (with opponents allowing for corrections!), but he has now attended plenty more tournaments since and has not one but two armies on the go. That's the most important thing. By being a bunch of elitist twats, then yes, the epic community would deserve to die, but we're so far removed from that, we're the most welcoming bunch of gamers you've ever met which is why I love playing epic still. Because I don't care if I get a kicking across the table or not, I just enjoy the company and what is arguably one of GW's best rulesets written. Sorry if you took it that way SRM posted:I'd be way more into Flames of Warhammer than I would be into microarmor 40k. 10-15mm would be a fun scale and still allow some of the character that the 40k universe is so big on to really shine through. Yea, I wouldn't be against 10mm 40k shenanigans at all, I'd love to see what they could do with plastics at that size and yep, it'd allow for a lot more flavour.
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While you're waiting for the old games to get their re-release (I can't even start thinking about how cool that would be), why not consider spending way too much for some awesome old games that currently live in Italy There's Space Fleet, Kerrrrrrrrrunch, Advanced Heroquest/Space Crusade, Dreadfleet, Titan Legions and all the flavors of Epic, and a bunch more besides that I remember picking up for 25 squid a box or thereabouts. If my folks weren't such toxic assholes I'd be
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"enri" posted:Sorry if you took it that way My bad for misunderstanding.
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PeterWeller posted:My bad for misunderstanding.  I should just avoid posting when I'm dosed up to the eyeballs on pain killers and various other flu'y drugs  I should say, one of the things I love about epic is that collecting an army really is a hobby in itself, we can't simply walk into a store and pick up some new release off of a shelf, armies are painstakingly put together trawling ebay for second hand stuff, 3rd party manufacturer 'counts as' etc. - much the same for the other specialist games I guess, it's all about suitable proxies. Love it.
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ZachAttack posted:Would anyone be able to send me a collection of the PDFs for battlefleet gothic that GW just pulled from their site? I assume that this does not count as Shoot me a PM.
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ZachAttack posted:Would anyone be able to send me a collection of the PDFs for battlefleet gothic that GW just pulled from their site? I assume that this does not count as They were available for free on the website for yearssss so I don't see why it'd be a problem posting them. I have them all backed up on an external drive, but this guy seems to have collated most of it onto google drive here: http://www.forum.specialist-arms.com/index.php?topic=5203.0 I'm currently trying to find epic armageddon [just to read/look at pictures really], and blood bowl [which I already found with a quick google search]. I always did want to put together a blood bowl team though, I just can't decide between chaos, eldar, or imperial guard. Seriously tempted to do an imperial guard theme, only using the uh...raging heroes jailbirds along with the new ogryn? I don't know, I need to actually read through the rules first.
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Is it meant to be fantasy only? I always thought it was kind of the ubiquitious sport throughout the 'ham setting, they'd just count-as amazons or something else instead rules wise.
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All the lore and all the teams are fantasy. e. But don't let that stop you!
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Leperflesh posted:All the lore and all the teams are fantasy. Yea nothing stopping you using guard minis for a human team for instance, most people will like to see a theme anyway one of our local BB players uses dark eldar as a pretty decent substitute for dark elves. Just find your closest match and run with it, post pics and earn fake internet points for awesomeness.
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bunnyofdoom posted:Dammit! I was about to download all the PDF for BFG so I could start building a list so I could play it on Vassal if I ever foudn people to play with! If you wanna play BFG through Vassal sometime I'd be up for it. I mostly play Orks, but I can do IG or Chaos. I am pretty rusty and haven't gotten to play much.
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https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B18J5DU-6cP_aEg2dHIxbGpaMlk ^mordheim rules and related stuff. Coreheim is easy enough to find.
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VolatileSky posted:I'm currently trying to find epic armageddon [just to read/look at pictures really]
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enri posted:Yea nothing stopping you using guard minis for a human team for instance, most people will like to see a theme anyway Most of the 40K stuff is just "fantasy thing IN SPAAAAAACE" so yeah, they would just be oddly attired. I'm giggling over Necrons and Tyranids in Blood Bowl 40K, though.
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They're just chromed Khemri and weird looking Lizardmen.
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Ahahahaha I decided to test the "Naftka prints everything" rumour, and sent this in last night: http://natfka.blogspot.ca/2014/04/epic-launch-with-armageddon.html
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Hahaha, jesus christ. This is to easy. Only problem is, faeit is making money of this from traffic to his site, so he probably doesn't give a poo poo.
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Daedleh posted:Ahahahaha Haha, you dick. Now I want to see how many of my friends pick this one up...
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enri posted:Yea, it'd be a shame to dilute the current epic 'niche' group with an influx of new players who don't know anything about the older game. I think I'd still buy into it though, just for shiny new models more than anything else. What? This is some dumb elitist poo poo man. GW are arseholes for not supporting specialist games unless they actually re release one of those games then they are diluting the current epic niche group and gosh darn wouldn't that be a shame. Although it makes sense for GW not wanting it's customers coming into contact with crotchety old grognards who want to, I dunno, hoard their precious super tiny space mans for themselves because those new players might not just get it e: sorry for dogpiling, missed the earlier discussion. Big Willy Style fucked around with this message at 18:42 on Apr 12, 2014 |
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Big Willy Style posted:e: sorry for dogpiling, missed the earlier discussion. 
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So I played a game of Mordheim today and had fun but I really didn't like the Dwarf warband. Very static and slow, not what I want out of a skirmish game. I have High Elves, Wood Elves and Warriors of Chaos so is there a decent warband for one of these that would be playable in a campaign? I know the Shadow Warrior based list was ridiculously overpowered and that's not appealing to me either. I was looking at this list but I'm not sure how balanced it would be: http://www.mordheimer.com/warbands/experimental/wood_elves.htm We will be using Empire in Flames and a bunch of other add-on scenarios so fluff-wise Wood Elves are not completely out of line.
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Dwarfs really suffer from having an awful start. Once you get your warband rolling though, its a powerhouse. You have combat characters who won't go down and crossbows that can peg most stuff before it gets to you. Dwarf Axes with their skill that allows them to parry two attacks and break ties (Master of Blades?) is nuts, since you can parry sixes to hit, re-roll parries, and have a solid armor save and high toughness on top of it. Their low movement and initiative kind of sucks for moving around and getting into buildings, but most of the time they're going to have to break you to win, so they're going to have to come to you. edit: The Marauders of Chaos from Border Town Burning is a really great Chaos list. It starts off with marauders and you gradually rank up to fully kitted warriors, so it doesn't suffer from what a lot of player-made chaos lists deal with, such as having overpowered warrior heroes right out of the gate. Nurgle and Tzeentch have spells where you can have demons explode from their casualties as well, and iirc they stick with your warband  , and the mark-specific stuff can get really interesting too (ex. Tzeentch has a telekinesis ability that can move small pieces of terrain)gently caress, now I really want to have a Chaos list. Too bad nobody in the Cleveland area that I know of plays mordheim. Business Gorillas fucked around with this message at 05:20 on Apr 13, 2014 |
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Business Gorillas posted:gently caress, now I really want to have a Chaos list. Too bad nobody in the Cleveland area that I know of plays mordheim. Move to Winnipeg and join my league. Problem solved. Of course you will have all sorts of new problems...
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