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hyper from Pixie Sticks: Sep 28, 2004

OppyDoppyDopp posted:

Does anyone know which government, if any, removed the right to recover reasonable legal expenses from central funds?

Pretty sure he can claim back the costs up to the level of legal aid that was payable, he's paid more and now wants the whole lot back.

Pesmerga posted:

Is there anything worse than boozed-up football fans, chanting and sectarianism?

Pretty sure genocide is worse.

hyper from Pixie Sticks fucked around with this message at 12:38 on Apr 13, 2014

# ? Apr 13, 2014 12:35

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# ? Jun 2, 2024 02:12

Pesmerga: Aug 1, 2005; So nice to eat you

Semprini posted:

Pretty sure genocide is worse.

Sure, if you're going to get literal.

# ? Apr 13, 2014 12:37

hyper from Pixie Sticks: Sep 28, 2004

Pesmerga posted:

Sure, if you're going to get literal.

Joking aside, i'm in the city centre and haven't seen any today so far. Or was it yesterday's festivities you were referring to?

# ? Apr 13, 2014 12:39

Gonzo McFee: Jun 19, 2010

Rangers fans are the worst. Loud, violent and bigoted. Don't know why but I've never seen it happen with Celtic fans unless they're near Rangers fans.

# ? Apr 13, 2014 12:41

Pesmerga: Aug 1, 2005; So nice to eat you

Semprini posted:

Joking aside, i'm in the city centre and haven't seen any today so far. Or was it yesterday's festivities you were referring to?

Bit of both. The subway with the Rangers fans yesterday was fun, with them jumping up and down while singing something about Fenian blood, but today it was a group of very drunk Aberdeen fans picking a fight with the guys at the entrance to the subway because they didn't want to wait in a queue to get tickets.

Gonzo McFee posted:

Rangers fans are the worst. Loud, violent and bigoted. Don't know why but I've never seen it happen with Celtic fans unless they're near Rangers fans.

I've never had trouble with Celtic fans since I arrived here, but Rangers fans seem to view anyone not wearing blue as a possible Celtic supporter.

# ? Apr 13, 2014 12:44

Gonzo McFee: Jun 19, 2010

loving Queen loving, proddy scum.

Born from protestant ancestry, don't judge me.

# ? Apr 13, 2014 12:56

keep punching joe: Jan 22, 2006; Die Satan!

As someone from a Rangers family, their supporters are the worst and should be gassed with the badgers.

# ? Apr 13, 2014 13:13

IceAgeComing: Jan 29, 2013; pretty fucking embarrassing to watch

I am a proud supporter of Glasgow's second team.

Partick Thistle

# ? Apr 13, 2014 14:18

Lord Twisted: Apr 3, 2010; In the Emperor's name, let none survive.

Semprini posted:

Pretty sure he can claim back the costs up to the level of legal aid that was payable, he's paid more and now wants the whole lot back.

Pretty sure genocide is worse.

So the funny thing is that the less you cut legal aid the more he could claim.

# ? Apr 13, 2014 14:47

Bozza: Mar 5, 2004; "I'm a really useful engine!"

Rangers fans are loving awful and I support Leeds.

The bloody Scousers are gonna be insufferable if they win the league.

# ? Apr 13, 2014 16:18

Metrication: Dec 12, 2010; Raskin had one problem: Jobs regarded him as an insufferable theorist or, to use Jobs's own more precise terminology, "a shithead who sucks".

quote:

A HEDGE fund manager from Stonegate has been proclaimed Britain�s biggest fare dodger.

The senior executive evaded paying almost �43,000 in train tickets for his daily commute from Stonegate in East Sussex to central London for five years, but has avoided prosecution via an out-of-court settlement.

He is thought to have exploited a loophole which allowed him to pass through exit barriers at London Cannon Street by �tapping out� with an Oyster card � paying only a third of the actual cost of his journey.

After finally being caught by a ticket inspector, the executive was in a position to pay up �42,550 of unpaid fares and �450 legal costs within three days as part of an out-of-court settlement.

Southeastern trains has refused to name the man involved but a spokesman for the train company said he was caught out when an inspector noticed he had paid the standards fare charged to passengers who fail to "tap in".

The repayment was calculated on the basis of single fares rather than the cost of a season ticket.

The spokesman added: "Fare dodging is something we take very seriously to protect the proceeds of everybody else's tickets. We are rigorous in making sure we catch the people who dodge the fare."

People get dragged into court by train companies for tiny infringements, I'm amazed he got off.

# ? Apr 13, 2014 16:28

Fluo: May 25, 2007

Kegluneq posted:

General China despises Tony Benn as a class traitor.

So General China is literally the prolier than thou manchild?

In other news first gay clergy marriage! :toot:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lincolnshire-27008772

# ? Apr 13, 2014 16:28

IceAgeComing: Jan 29, 2013; pretty fucking embarrassing to watch

Bozza posted:

Rangers fans are loving awful and I support Leeds.

I'm dreading Rangers getting promoted again next year; because it means a return to Old Firm games and we all know that the first is going to be awful...

I do agree with the Celtic fans seeming more sensible than Rangers fans though; although the fans of all big teams are very stupid, so that isn't saying a whole lot...

# ? Apr 13, 2014 17:21

baka kaba: Jul 19, 2003; PLEASE ASK ME, THE SELF-PROFESSED NO #1 PAUL CATTERMOLE FAN IN THE SOMETHING AWFUL S-CLUB 7 MEGATHREAD, TO NAME A SINGLE SONG BY HIS EXCELLENT NU-METAL SIDE PROJECT, SKUA, AND IF I CAN'T PLEASE TELL ME TO
EAT SHIT

Metrication posted:

People get dragged into court by train companies for tiny infringements, I'm amazed he got off.

Metrication, you and your little jokes!

# ? Apr 13, 2014 17:57

Trickjaw: Jun 23, 2005; Nadie puede dar lo que no tiene

The Daily Mail abhors nasty comments, and will not stand for intolerance. When someone else is doing it, and especially when it is against the Tories.

quote:

Labour axes would-be MP who went on vile Twitter rant claiming Tories want to 'kill the sick and starve the disabled'
Deborah Hopkins used social network to post vile and obscene messages
The 47-year-old now been suspended from the Labour party
Was due to stand for St Austell and Newquay in general election
Was backed and publicly supported by deputy leader Harriet Harman
Has now been suspended from the party pending an investigation

A Labour parliamentary candidate backed by Harriet Harman was last night kicked out of the party after The Mail on Sunday discovered she had posted a string of obscene and vitriolic messages on Twitter.
Deborah Hopkins used the social networking site to accuse the Conservatives of �killing the sick� and �starving the disabled�, claimed a Government department was using �starvation� to control the population, and described the British Empire as �genocide�.
She even used an extremely offensive swear word to attack an opponent, writing: �I�d call you a ****
but you have neither the depth or the warmth.�
Deborah Hopkins, the Labour parliamentary candidate who was supported by Harriet Harman +1
Deborah Hopkins, the Labour parliamentary candidate who was supported by Harriet Harman
Ms Hopkins, who was due to stand for St Austell and Newquay in next year�s General Election, addressed last year�s party conference in Brighton and has been publicly supported by Ms Harman and her husband Jack Dromey, the Shadow Housing Minister.
After meeting Ed Miliband and shaking his hand, she wrote: �May never wash that hand again.�
Both Ms Harman � Labour�s Deputy Leader � and Mr Dromey have posed for pictures with Ms Hopkins, with Mr Dromey posting a message on Twitter describing her as �a great champion of Cornwall�.
But after this newspaper brought Ms Hopkins�s offensive messages to the attention of Labour�s high command yesterday, she was suspended from the party � rendering her ineligible to contest the election. Ms Hopkins, a 47-year-old single mother with a teenage son, posted the messages after being selected to fight the seat last autumn.

In October, she reacted to the news that the Coalition had voted down planned firearms restrictions with the message: �Murdering b*******�.
A few weeks later, when the Conservatives published their goals for society, such as �caring for one�s neighbour and good manners�, Ms Hopkins responded with her own mock slogan: �Killing the sick, starving the disabled, evicting the poor, destroying the hopes of children, stealing billions from the public�.
In the same month, during a debate over Britain�s imperial past, she accused a fellow Twitter user of being �proud of the genocide that was and is Empire. Sickening.� And earlier this year she asked whether Iain Duncan Smith�s Department for Work and Pensions was using benefit cuts to try to achieve �population control by starvation�.
Ms Hopkins, a healthcare assistant, has already admitted that she voted for the local sitting MP, Liberal Democrat Stephen Gilbert, at the last election � but claimed it was because she �believed their lies and believed it was the only way to keep the Tories out�.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...l#ixzz2ymrU4ILb Please do not click and give the Mail ad revenue. Can't remeber the anonymous referrer.

She is a single mother, too. We all know what that means, the whore.

Even though she must have used the c word, it's a pretty good burn.

# ? Apr 13, 2014 18:14

Kegluneq: Feb 18, 2011; Mr President, the physical reality of Prime Minister Corbyn is beyond your range of apprehension. If you'll just put on these PINKOVISION glasses...

Fluo posted:

So General China is literally the prolier than thou manchild?

Hi! Welcome to the UKMT. Please do not ask about Stephen Fry or crisps.

quote:

�I�d call you a **** but you have neither the depth or the warmth.�

# ? Apr 13, 2014 18:20

Bozza: Mar 5, 2004; "I'm a really useful engine!"

Someone buy that lady an account!

# ? Apr 13, 2014 18:26

Trickjaw: Jun 23, 2005; Nadie puede dar lo que no tiene

Kegluneq posted:

Hi! Welcome to the UKMT. Please do not ask about Stephen Fry or crisps.

This burn should be the next thread title.

# ? Apr 13, 2014 18:27

McDragon: Sep 11, 2007

Trickjaw posted:

Even though she must have used the c word, it's a pretty good burn.

What, Conservative? :v:

# ? Apr 13, 2014 18:28

baka kaba: Jul 19, 2003; PLEASE ASK ME, THE SELF-PROFESSED NO #1 PAUL CATTERMOLE FAN IN THE SOMETHING AWFUL S-CLUB 7 MEGATHREAD, TO NAME A SINGLE SONG BY HIS EXCELLENT NU-METAL SIDE PROJECT, SKUA, AND IF I CAN'T PLEASE TELL ME TO
EAT SHIT

Yeah maybe they've suspended her so they can look at putting her in the shadow cabinet somewhere

Kegluneq posted:

Hi! Welcome to the UKMT. Please do not ask about Stephen Fry or crisps.

That shadow under his nose reminds me of someone :siren:

# ? Apr 13, 2014 18:28

Gonzo McFee: Jun 19, 2010

It's an old joke, but rather acurate in the situation.

Shame, a decent person turns up in Labour and they're immediately suspended. Let that be a lesson on talking about the tory disabled killings.

# ? Apr 13, 2014 18:34

Xachariah: Jul 26, 2004

Trust The Mail to find the truth vile and obscene. :v:

# ? Apr 13, 2014 18:36

Touchdown Boy: Apr 1, 2007; I saw my friend there out on the field today, I asked him where he's going, he said "All the way."

Xachariah posted:

Trust The Mail to find the truth vile and obscene.

They probably took an exceptional exception to the opinion that the Empire was anything but glorious.

# ? Apr 13, 2014 19:11

Seaside Loafer: Feb 7, 2012; Waiting for a train, I needed a shit. You won't bee-lieve what happened next

Trickjaw posted:

Even though she must have used the c word, it's a pretty good burn.

That is loving awesome, im nicking that.

# ? Apr 13, 2014 19:28

Gyro Zeppeli: Jul 19, 2012; sure hope no-one throws me off a bridge

IceAgeComing posted:

I am a proud supporter of Glasgow's second team.

Partick Thistle

It's funny because it used to be a joke but now it's just factually accurate :v:

# ? Apr 13, 2014 19:30

TinTower: Apr 21, 2010; You don't have to 8e a good person to 8e a hero.

So at their AGM this weekend, Amnesty International UK have voted overwhelmingly to support decriminalisation of sex work and, by five votes, take no position on the matter. In any case, the Nordic model of "criminalise buying but not selling sex" was comfortably defeated.

# ? Apr 13, 2014 19:45

LemonDrizzle: Mar 28, 2012; neoliberal shithead

TinTower posted:

So at their AGM this weekend, Amnesty International UK have voted overwhelmingly to support decriminalisation of sex work and, by five votes, take no position on the matter. In any case, the Nordic model of "criminalise buying but not selling sex" was comfortably defeated.

Is there any reliable evidence to show that decriminalization leads to more positive outcomes than the Nordic model? I've seen anecdotal comparisons between countries (x happened in Germany, y happened in New Zealand, z happened in Sweden, etc.), but those are flawed because they tend not to account for things like geographical differences.

# ? Apr 13, 2014 20:22

Fluo: May 25, 2007

Kegluneq posted:

Hi! Welcome to the UKMT. Please do not ask about Stephen Fry or crisps.

Welcome to the new UKMT don't you mean?!

In news news the new spymaster general is pretty John le Carr� era.

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/apr/13/charles-farr-gchq-spymaster-counter-terrorism

quote:

Charles Farr - GCHQ's next spymaster general?
Man at heart of UK anti-terrorism strategy who put missiles on London rooftops during Olympics set to come in from the cold

You will not see a photograph of Charles Farr on his profile page on the Home Office website. The director of the Office for Security and Counter-Terrorism (OSCT) was appointed to his post in 2007, the profile reveals, and had previously "served at British embassies" before taking on a number of senior Whitehall positions "dealing with security and counter-terrorism".

But there are no details of his education or wider biography, and where a photograph might appear there is only a grey, faceless avatar.

This is not because we don't know what Farr looks like. Sandy-haired and balding, he wears his hair with a floppy fringe that can give him a foppish air, and sports invisible-rimmed spectacles that once led Keith Vaz, chair of the home affairs select committee, to describe him in one of his appearances before the panel as resembling "a grown-up Harry Potter".

But though Farr has been at the heart of government anti-terrorism strategy for seven years, and is the architect of some of the most controversial policy initiatives of the last two governments, this most secretive of Whitehall mandarins would much prefer to carry out his work far from the public gaze. Even on internal staff charts, on which others are pictured, say insiders, his face is blacked out.
[...] [more in the link]

# ? Apr 13, 2014 20:43

TinTower: Apr 21, 2010; You don't have to 8e a good person to 8e a hero.

LemonDrizzle posted:

Is there any reliable evidence to show that decriminalization leads to more positive outcomes than the Nordic model? I've seen anecdotal comparisons between countries (x happened in Germany, y happened in New Zealand, z happened in Sweden, etc.), but those are flawed because they tend not to account for things like geographical differences.

Brooke Magnanti (aka Belle de Jour) has a well-researched consultation response to the Scottish Labour bill. I'd recommend her book The Sex Myth and Melissa Grant's book Playing the Whore.

# ? Apr 13, 2014 20:48

Fluo: May 25, 2007

But isn't sex work legal as long as it isn't "street walkers"?

# ? Apr 13, 2014 20:59

TinTower: Apr 21, 2010; You don't have to 8e a good person to 8e a hero.

Fluo posted:

But isn't sex work legal as long as it isn't "street walkers"?

Officially, the sale of sex is legal, but highly stigmatised. Solicitation is illegal, for example. If you're working with a friend out of the same flat, you're keeping a brothel. If you're friends with an BAME sex worker, you're complicit in international trafficking. And so on. Decriminalisation would focus efforts away from stigmatising sex workers and actually focus better on targeting trafficking better than criminalisation.

# ? Apr 13, 2014 21:06

Tortuga: Aug 27, 2011; Runner-up, TRP Sack Race 2021/22

TinTower posted:

If you're friends with an BAME sex worker, you're complicit in international trafficking.

What?

# ? Apr 13, 2014 21:16

TinTower: Apr 21, 2010; You don't have to 8e a good person to 8e a hero.

Tortuga posted:

What?

if you're a BAME sex worker, at least, you're automatically assumed to have been trafficked. Even if you're a third generation or longer Briton. It's to the point that the police will raid saunas on anti-trafficking grounds (and invite the press to take photos because that's totally not exploitative), arrest any BAME workers until their immigration status can be verified, and also charge their co-workers with either brothel-keeping or trafficking.

# ? Apr 13, 2014 21:24

Spangly A: May 14, 2009; God help you if ever you're caught on these shores

A man's ambition must indeed be small
To write his name upon a shithouse wall

TinTower posted:

if you're a BAME sex worker, at least, you're automatically assumed to have been trafficked. Even if you're a third generation or longer Briton. It's to the point that the police will raid saunas on anti-trafficking grounds (and invite the press to take photos because that's totally not exploitative), arrest any BAME workers until their immigration status can be verified, and also charge their co-workers with either brothel-keeping or trafficking.

Hardly anyone is going to be up to date with every single acronym in the jargon so you should probably assume that's why they highlighted that point.

Black, Asian, Minority ethnic.

F'orns dont come from england see.

# ? Apr 13, 2014 21:31

namesake: Jun 19, 2006; "When I was a girl, around 12 or 13, I had a fantasy that I'd grow up to marry Captain Scarlet, but he'd be busy fighting the Mysterons so I'd cuckold him with the sexiest people I could think of - Nigel Mansell, Pat Sharp and Mr. Blobby."

Oh I thought it stood for Black And Minority Ethnic which always confused me a little bit.

Thanks!

# ? Apr 13, 2014 21:32

Spangly A: May 14, 2009; God help you if ever you're caught on these shores

A man's ambition must indeed be small
To write his name upon a shithouse wall

namesake posted:

Oh I thought it stood for Black And Minority Ethnic which always confused me a little bit.

Thanks!

nono, that's BME. BME is the one you said, the A is for Asian.

Identity politics!

# ? Apr 13, 2014 21:38

namesake: Jun 19, 2006; "When I was a girl, around 12 or 13, I had a fantasy that I'd grow up to marry Captain Scarlet, but he'd be busy fighting the Mysterons so I'd cuckold him with the sexiest people I could think of - Nigel Mansell, Pat Sharp and Mr. Blobby."

Can't we all just get together and overthrow capitalism already :negative:

# ? Apr 13, 2014 21:44

Fluo: May 25, 2007

namesake posted:

Can't we all just get together and overthrow capitalism already

No we got to give everyone labels and put everyone in categories with additional labelling if they tick 3 boxes. If said boxes are ticked we then put them in sub categories and give them fresh labels. What do you mean this is regressive rather then progressive?

# ? Apr 13, 2014 21:46

Tortuga: Aug 27, 2011; Runner-up, TRP Sack Race 2021/22

Spangly A posted:

Hardly anyone is going to be up to date with every single acronym in the jargon so you should probably assume that's why they highlighted that point.

Black, Asian, Minority ethnic.

F'orns dont come from england see.

Nah, I knew that (roughly).

Pretty sure BME became unfashionable because people mix it up with BMI, and no one cares about fat people being discriminated against.

# ? Apr 13, 2014 22:02

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# ? Jun 2, 2024 02:12

schadenfraud: Nov 19, 2010

Was listening to Money Box on Radio 4 earlier. Barclays, it turns out, has joined the esteemed ranks of wonga and other payday loan types. Their new overdraft charges, which are now 75p per day are, if converted back into interest, something ridiculous like 26,000%pa.

People most hosed = people who regularly use their overdraft, eg pensioners, students, grads, the poor.

Is this why it all went kind of quiet on the "let's crack down on payday loans" front? Because their mates at the big banks decided to engage in this fantastic wheeze as well?

# ? Apr 13, 2014 22:09

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