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Party Plane Jones posted:Yeah, that'll happen when the zombified corpse of Lawton Chiles rises from beyond the grave to run the state democratic party. The two things driving Florida to keep being Republican is a constant influx of old people from other states as the ones living here die off and a state legislature willing to trick out anything to attract more businesses. You're talking about a state that gave a billion plus dollars in taxpayer money to Progress (now Duke) energy for nuclear reactors that will never be built; that money only started being collected by Duke in 2009, when the state budget was looking like absolute dogshit and there were cuts everywhere. Please stop reminding me how awful my state is goddamn  . I was meaning as a general rule of thumb for the Democratic party that they should focus on gaining back state legislatures prior to 2020 so they can at least reduce the impact, even if they can't reverse, of the redistricting.Without it will be just in the same state we are in now forever as a best case scenario
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Party Plane Jones posted:No, as in a billion dollars for new reactors that weren't even built yet. Crystal River was a whole nother fuckup but Duke is only making off with 100 mil of taxpayer money in it. quote:In the fall of 2009, as workers began the project, they cracked the reactor's 42-inch thick concrete containment building, designed to keep radiation in and bad things out.
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HEY GAL posted:The reason this is especially hosed up is that the pro life movement claims to support the human worth of people with disabilities. I have no doubt certain wings of it do, but to hear the opposite stated so baldly by a pro-life politician is vile. Of course it's going to be that way. You're making the assumption that the anti-choice crowd is mostly arguing in good faith, rather than starting at their conclusion (women being punished for having sex) and then working backward from there to the justification. It's nearly at the same level of dog whistling as Southern Strategy racism.
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Just be glad the Florida Democrats aren't trying to run Alex "I Never Even Win at Bingo" Sink. And yes, we're all paying extra fees to FPL to build nuclear plants that never will get built. Furthermore, we lost a ton of taxpayer money on that stupid cracked foundation. It's enough to make your blood boil.
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Warcabbit posted:http://abcnews.go.com/US/73-year-custody-fatal-jewish-center-shooting/story?id=23310932 His website is pretty rad. http://www.whty.org/
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rkajdi posted:Of course it's going to be that way. You're making the assumption that the anti-choice crowd is mostly arguing in good faith, rather than starting at their conclusion (women being punished for having sex) and then working backward from there to the justification. It's nearly at the same level of dog whistling as Southern Strategy racism. Once again, if anti-choicers were even slightly interested in reducing abortion, then opposition to birth control would be completely nonexistent. Instead they're making a supreme court case based on precisely that.
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Warcabbit posted:http://abcnews.go.com/US/73-year-custody-fatal-jewish-center-shooting/story?id=23310932 Holy poo poo that's right up the road from where I used to live.
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Fulchrum posted:Once again, if anti-choicers were even slightly interested in reducing abortion, then opposition to birth control would be completely nonexistent. Instead they're making a supreme court case based on precisely that. Apparently they are just opposed to IUD's and morning-after pills though because they never took a biology class. The guys at supreme court are OK with normal pills and condoms. Which is not to say there aren't plenty against those too.
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greatn posted:Apparently they are just opposed to IUD's and morning-after pills though because they never took a biology class. The guys at supreme court are OK with normal pills and condoms. Which is not to say there aren't plenty against those too. Their belief in IUD's and Plan B is that "If you prevent a fertilized egg from implanting, it's baby murder" Yet many times when an egg is fertilized it fails for one reason or another to implant on the uterine wall to begin with. The stars and planets maybe didn't align or some poo poo. As George Carlin said Almost two decades ago "Basically, what these anti-abortion people are telling us is that any woman who’s had more than more than one period is a serial killer!" Their other argument is the same line, just replace baby murder with "Playing God". Guess we don't need antibiotics, surgery, or anything life saving because we are obviously playing against Gods will!  And if you ever went to a midwest or southern Sex ed class in 8th grade, It is full of scare tactics (Photos and freak-worst case scenario stories), Religious propaganda, and sometimes outright lies. Of course people are confused about how things work or in a round about way of thinking that no birth control is better than having it, I have no idea how the coasts deal with it but it probably isn't much better Spiffster fucked around with this message at 14:59 on Apr 14, 2014 |
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Gygaxian posted:The UDP just whines about how the state is controlled by Republicans and about how diverse the Dems are and such. They like the idea of reaching out to Mormons but the base (who are generally not Mormon) hates it (and Mormons) and the establishment has no idea how to convince Mormons to believe in even center-left ideas. The Indiana Democratic Party groups are drat near off the radar. I had to go through some very round about ways to get ahold of them, if I hadn't been active for years and been a known quantity to those contacts I'm not sure I could have gotten ahold of the locals at all. Their outreach and activation program is so broken you'd think it is run by republicans to keep people away. Indiana Democratic Party - nothing listed about when or where meetings are or various opportunities. "Get Involved" link gets you on their fundraising mailing list, nothing else Marion County Democratic Party - upcoming events page is blank, applying for the mailing list gets no response, nothing about meetings or precinct chair volunteering or GOTV or any of that Young Democrats of America links - most pages for the Indianapolis area are blank. The one functional one goes to a SEO page about "business solutions" that hasn't been updated in 2 years. Purdue/Indiana University/Butler College Dems - no response from the first two, no way to find if the 3rd even exists Reddit.com/r/indianadems - a few articles but nothing about getting involved. In fact one of the top rated threads is complaining about there being no way to get involved on the page Drinking Liberally - chapter is listed at meeting at a bar that closed down in 2010, no response to contacting mailing list Indiana Equality - still waiting to hear from, with HJR3 just a month past you'd think they would be more aggressive about snapping up volunteers, guess not When I finally got through to someone it turned out they apparently have one harried intern who spends most of his time doing data entry and planning the social media policy for these groups, but the plan is awaiting approval still and his internship ends in a month and he'd be so overworked he'd have trouble executing it anyways And while I'm on this hobby horse what the gently caress is with the Dems losing all the tools between each election cycle? Not the Indiana groups, all if them. We have to reinvent the wheel every 2 years. Case in point, I went walking/lit dropping this weekend and we lost the least time calculator again! In 2008 it was a big deal that OFA had the calculator so you dropped in your walk list and it organized the addresses with a least time pathing algorithm. Instead of them just being in numerical order by street it told you where to go in what order to save time, like what UPS and FedEx use for their drivers. Cut walk time down to a breeze. Then 2010 comes around and no one has it. It took Rep Foster personally coding it and emailing it out to the rest of the caucus, and that didn't happen until October. Then 2012 comes around and the tool is back, as part of VAN!... Behind the $3000 paywall most campaigns can't afford. Now it is 2014 and no one knows where it is AGAIN. It is a loving python script, you can do it with free software like EsriGIS or ArcGIS and it is proven effective, but no one keeps track if it and makes it available. It is the same with things like voter databases. We see how powerful they are, but no one wants to keep them up to date in off years so they are useless until a presidential campaign or a big name senate campaign makes them update it. But gently caress yeah we have lawn signs I guess? Fried Chicken fucked around with this message at 15:02 on Apr 14, 2014 |
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Spiffster posted:Their belief in IUD's and Plan B is that "If you prevent a fertilized egg from implanting, it's baby murder" Yet many times when an egg is fertilized it fails for one reason or another to implant on the uterine wall to begin with. The stars and planets maybe didn't align or some poo poo. As George Carlin said Almost two decades ago "Basically, what these anti-abortion people are telling us is that any woman who’s had more than more than one period is a serial killer!" I gotta say I went to sex ed in public school in Alabama in 1996, it was completely normal and science based. They pushed abstinence just a little bit saying it was the only foolproof method, but talked about condoms and stuff and didn't tell lies about them not working
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greatn posted:I gotta say I went to sex ed in public school in Alabama in 1996, it was completely normal and science based. They pushed abstinence just a little bit saying it was the only foolproof method, but talked about condoms and stuff and didn't tell lies about them not working This is what I got in Virginia around the same time. It feels like the Christian right has become stronger and more brazen in the last ten years so I have no idea if that's still the case.
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Radish posted:This is what I got in Virginia around the same time. It feels like the Christian right has become stronger and more brazen in the last ten years so I have no idea if that's still the case. I got my sex eds in the early 2000's in VA, and that's basically what they told me. They told me condoms had a 99% effectiveness rating, essentially.
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greatn posted:I gotta say I went to sex ed in public school in Alabama in 1996, it was completely normal and science based. They pushed abstinence just a little bit saying it was the only foolproof method, but talked about condoms and stuff and didn't tell lies about them not working Kansas, 1998 for me. Abstinence only, condoms have 50%-plus failure rates, sponge causes cancer, talk to your parents or minister if you have issues with lust, blah blah. A pile of lies plus skirting the religious line as closely as they possibly could in written format. The spoken lectures were waaaaay across the religious line, but when your audience is 15-year-old Kansans who were probably raised to believe similarly, nobody cares.
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1996 really was before the dawn of the current GOP. That was back when the 1994 crowd had taken power and was heading towards the present state of the GOP, but they still had shreds of decency and humanity in places and understood you have to know how fuckin' works in order to make safe choices about it. Sure they were repressive prudes but that's always been their mode.
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SedanChair posted:How do you manage to get that opinion out of your mouth without realizing I've always found Alan Watts' explanation for western Christianity's revisionism pretty on-the-mark. They turned the religion of Jesus into a religion about Jesus by pedestalizing him, and in doing so, they have a reason to ignore any parts they don't like because "He was the divine son of God and couldn't possibly be speaking of the practicalities of life". All that "Have I not told you that you are all sons of God" (82nd Psalm, I believe) is quietly swept under the rug.
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Illinois in ~1995-96 was pretty reasonable. We just got told to make sure that we could answer "abstinence" to the question "What is the only 100% reliable form of birth control?".
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AlternateNu posted:I've always found Alan Watts' explanation for western Christianity's revisionism pretty on-the-mark. They turned the religion of Jesus into a religion about Jesus by pedestalizing him, and in doing so, they have a reason to ignore any parts they don't like because "He was the divine son of God and couldn't possibly be speaking of the practicalities of life". All that "Have I not told you that you are all sons of God" (82nd Psalm, I believe) is quietly swept under the rug. Prosperity Theology mixed with gently caress you Got Mine republican standpoints leads to really lovely Christians. It's really that simple withak posted:Illinois in ~1995-96 was pretty reasonable. We just got told to make sure that we could answer "abstinence" to the question "What is the only 100% reliable form of birth control?". Oh it is, But like with all birth control success is extremely linked to how well you adhere to it, and in case one fails you need to have knowledge on other ways to protect yourself and how to use them properly. the second you don't abstain and you have no knowledge about other methods... welp  greatn posted:Should have answered "Gay or lesbian sex" Ok I chuckled. Sorry When I go on birth control politics and talks I usually think about Hetro due to... well Birth control parts. It's also important to cover those bases as well because everyone needs to be safe. Spiffster fucked around with this message at 16:01 on Apr 14, 2014 |
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Spiffster posted:Prosperity Theology mixed with gently caress you Got Mine republican standpoints leads to really lovely Christians. It's really that simple Well, yeah. That's the surface explanation, but I was referring more to the mental hoops twisting the social view over the last 2000 years which has led to the FYGMers.
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withak posted:Illinois in ~1995-96 was pretty reasonable. We just got told to make sure that we could answer "abstinence" to the question "What is the only 100% reliable form of birth control?". I went to a Catholic grade school in Illinois in the 90s and while our teacher talked about all the approved methods (and how abstinence was the only 100% effective method), she also told us about condoms and birth control (did not give it glowing reviews but she at least told us how they worked.) Public high school blew my mind though with the explanation of anal and oral sex. Those were definitely not mentioned.
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withak posted:Illinois in ~1995-96 was pretty reasonable. We just got told to make sure that we could answer "abstinence" to the question "What is the only 100% reliable form of birth control?". Should have answered "Gay or lesbian sex"
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My conservative mother-in-law just described the rancher situation as "Harry Reid stealing the poor guys cattle to sell for millions of dollars (which will get redistributed) all because of some dumb tortoise. So he stood his ground and the Feds ran away with their tails between their legs"
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Alter Ego posted:Wonder if the people who are cheering that rear end in a top hat on know that every nutjob who showed up with a gun is now on a terrorist/hate group watch list. Someone with a login to freep should start spreading rumors that it was a false flag honeypot. 
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FCKGW posted:My conservative mother-in-law just described the rancher situation as "Harry Reid stealing the poor guys cattle to sell for millions of dollars (which will get redistributed) all because of some dumb tortoise. So he stood his ground and the Feds ran away with their tails between their legs" Someone said in a different thread that the situation will be resolved quickly and quietly when the government threatens his license to sell cattle on the open market. Is this accurate? None of the media coverage I've read mentions it.
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It's basically the same poo poo as when Hannity whipped up a frothing rage over the Terry Schaivo case, resulting in bomb threats to schools, death threats to judges, and an armed attempt to collect a "bounty" on Michael Schaivo. Or Bill Orielly whipping up rage against George Tiller resulting in threats and attempts on his life for years until someone gunned him down in church. Or Glenn Beck and the Tides Foundation. Or Sarah Palin and Gabby Giffords. The outrage machine whips people up into a mob to make money. And in that mob you get people who are unstable, people not inclined to sit at home and accept that sending money to the hucksters is enough to oppose those evil others, who take the message as gospel and are armed and try to act on it, because if you take it as truth the enemy really is a murderous tyrannical threat to you your friends and neighbors the logical and ethical action is to fight. People get hurt, but the outrage machine gets paid and anyways the ones who get hurt aren't rich and are on the other "team" so isn't that a fine reason for them to suffer. Fried Chicken fucked around with this message at 17:06 on Apr 14, 2014 |
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Fried Chicken posted:The Indiana Democratic Party groups are drat near off the radar... How the gently caress does this even happen? Where's the national Dems in this? Is there just not enough money?
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There's plenty of money, they just save it for the 'races they can win' as opposed to actually trying to broaden that base of support. They're all about defense, it sucks, and its a losing strategy, but the 50 State plan died with Howard Dean's scream.
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I always wondered if the national Dems hated Dean for succeeding with the 50 state plan. There's a certain kind of rear end in a top hat who hates just about nobody like they hate people who succeed where they've failed, and I remember thinking in 2006 that Dean probably just pissed off a LOT of people.
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haveblue posted:Someone said in a different thread that the situation will be resolved quickly and quietly when the government threatens his license to sell cattle on the open market. Is this accurate? None of the media coverage I've read mentions it. Ronald Reagan made the herding district fees required in western open range country permanent, and he did it by executive order. No one in the western states get to graze on open range land without paying their fees. It's a fact of life out in the western states if you farm or ranch you are going to pay herding district fees and water district fees. It's not about a tortoise, it's about a freeloading rear end in a top hat continuing to freeload. Also notice the Cattleman's Association has stayed as far away from this mess as possible.
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greatn posted:The worst thing you can do for your career if you are a party leader is win elections, apparently, given how fast Dean and Steele were fired after massive electoral victories. It's less about doing it and more about doing it the "wrong" way, and in Steele's case the power in his party shifting to insane racists didn't help.
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Fried Chicken posted:And while I'm on this hobby horse what the gently caress is with the Dems losing all the tools between each election cycle? Not the Indiana groups, all if them. We have to reinvent the wheel every 2 years. Case in point, I went walking/lit dropping this weekend and we lost the least time calculator again! In 2008 it was a big deal that OFA had the calculator so you dropped in your walk list and it organized the addresses with a least time pathing algorithm. Instead of them just being in numerical order by street it told you where to go in what order to save time, like what UPS and FedEx use for their drivers. Cut walk time down to a breeze. Then 2010 comes around and no one has it. It took Rep Foster personally coding it and emailing it out to the rest of the caucus, and that didn't happen until October. Then 2012 comes around and the tool is back, as part of VAN!... Behind the $3000 paywall most campaigns can't afford. Now it is 2014 and no one knows where it is AGAIN. https://www.democratictools.com
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greatn posted:The worst thing you can do for your career if you are a party leader is win elections, apparently, given how fast Dean and Steele were fired after massive electoral victories.
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Nessus posted:You'd think at a certain point they'd prefer to be the winning party.
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CBO just released a report showing the deficit is going to be reduced by Obamacare more than originally thought because premiums are so much lower than originally expected. In addition more people are going to be ensured than originally expected and premiums are going to rise very little next year (the average silver plan will go up about $100 a year) Democrats need to stop running away from this.
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The NYT is adding a new angle to their "pissing on millennials" rotation: kids these days aren't using Obama as a political role model enough; they lack the ambition to run for office thanks to Twitter. quote:Obama Effect Inspiring Few to Seek Office Or it could be that the Obama campaign rode to power on the youth vote then completely betrayed us by dropping every reformist platform and abandoning the grassroots network. Yes, electoral politics these days are so noble, why can't those twitter-addled teens see it?  brb going to eschew a "high-paying consultant job" to haul bags for team obama
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Defenestration posted:The NYT is adding a new angle to their "pissing on millennials" rotation: kids these days aren't using Obama as a political role model enough; they lack the ambition to run for office thanks to Twitter. Yeah, a center-right Democrat who made it the goal of his first term to give in to the loonies in the GOP at every opportunity in the interests of some legacy or looking bi-partisan or some crap is not going to inspire our generation to actually do something. I know it is just the status quo at this point for politicians to run on a certain platform and then ignore it when they get elected, but too many people feel betrayed by Obama instantly abandoning the reformist platform he ran on as soon as he set foot in the oval office.
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