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got any sevens
Feb 9, 2013

by Cyrano4747
How bout this sun? drat it's nice out today, I'm gonna go for a hike in shorts and sandals with my dog. I love the pnw.

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Freakazoid_
Jul 5, 2013


Buglord

Best Friends posted:

A business owner who doesn't make money by their employees showing up is an idiot or a saint. If she is a remotely rational business person (which she apparently is given the size of her business) then cutting hours would be foolish, because there aren't any pointless hours being worked. She is making money from her employees working.

I think I see where you're getting at, but I still doubt she is being genuine in her beliefs. A path exists for her business to come out even or ahead while her employees come out unchanged. This probably applies to other businesses more than hers, since she is so reliant on her employees, but that doesn't mean she can't pursue it.

reignonyourparade
Nov 15, 2012
Well probably to a large degree its a marketing thing, her business's name goes out there in the news without any effort on her part, and any middle class liberal families that happen to be looking for nannies right now go "Oh I don't want to be using a service that isn't paying their workers enough lets go with that Annie's Nannies place they were talking about in the paper." As a nanny service its probably even LESS practical to cut hours because those hours nannying are what they're selling.

ReverendCode
Nov 30, 2008

Republicans posted:

Don't get me wrong, they would totally be better off with a higher wage and I think it's disgusting how states let employers count tips as wages. It's your loving job as an employer to pay your employees. I'm just saying that if I eat out and I know the people serving me are being paid decently it puts some pressure off of me to automtically leave a few bucks on the table.

I guess that just kind of makes you cheap.

A Bag of Milk
Jul 3, 2007

I don't see any American dream; I see an American nightmare.

ReverendCode posted:

I guess that just kind of makes you cheap.

Or how about we avoid the best derail ever where people fling meaningless shitposts like this at each other.

effectual posted:

How bout this sun? drat it's nice out today, I'm gonna go for a hike in shorts and sandals with my dog. I love the pnw.

I've been neglecting the weather, but it's def time to get my hike on. Any places you'd reccomend? This abandoned railroad tunnel that leads to a waterfall and cool places to explore is one of my go-tos: http://www.wta.org/go-hiking/hikes/iron-horse-tunnel

got any sevens
Feb 9, 2013

by Cyrano4747
I just hike a half mile or so along the cedar river, Renton has a ton of little parks along it. My dog's little so he doesn't do the big hikes.

mod sassinator
Dec 13, 2006
I came here to Kick Ass and Chew Bubblegum,
and I'm All out of Ass
Spring and summer are really the best part of the PNW. However, we need to be vigilant in keeping up the misconception that it only rains and is miserable up here--we don't want more people realizing how incredible it can be.

Sloppy
Apr 25, 2003

Imagination will often carry us to worlds that never were. But without it we go nowhere.

mod sassinator posted:

Spring and summer are really the best part of the PNW. However, we need to be vigilant in keeping up the misconception that it only rains and is miserable up here--we don't want more people realizing how incredible it can be.

Fall is awesome too. And I love the rain in winter, so I guess I live where I belong. January and February do tend to drag after a bit, but hunkering down with a book and a dark beer or whiskey while it drizzles outside is the best. I won't lie though, I soaked up a lot of sun this weekend. I took the kids around the river bike path in Eugene for a few hours and they loved it, then we started our garden, then we just lay on the deck for a while and catnapped. It was glorious.

GENUINE CAT HERDER
Jan 2, 2004


Wedge Regret

effectual posted:

How bout this sun? drat it's nice out today, I'm gonna go for a hike in shorts and sandals with my dog. I love the pnw.

Yeah, this weather been loving awesome. I think we've already had more sun than we had up until like July last year. Been playing tennis outside, got a bitchin' tan going on and everything :)

oxbrain
Aug 18, 2005

Put a glide in your stride and a dip in your hip and come on up to the mothership.

mod sassinator posted:

However, we need to be vigilant in keeping up the misconception that it only rains and is miserable up here--we don't want more people realizing how incredible it can be.

"Welcome to Washington, now go back to where you came from." -WA state tourism board.

geegee
Aug 6, 2005
OR state ran a series of ads in the mid 70's with the Governor, Tom McCall, saying almost exactly this about Oregon.

Mrit
Sep 26, 2007

by exmarx
Grimey Drawer

oxbrain posted:

"Welcome to Washington, now go back to where you came from." -WA state tourism board.

We need to put this up at Seatac and all major freeways.

silicone thrills
Jan 9, 2008

I paint things

Mrit posted:

We need to put this up at Seatac and all major freeways.

*Unless you are progressive voting and willing to commute by bus.

(This is why I moved here. gently caress the south. gently caress driving)

Gerund
Sep 12, 2007

He push a man


Tigntink posted:

*Unless you are progressive voting and willing to commute by bus.

(This is why I moved here. gently caress the south. gently caress driving)


Mrit posted:

We need to put this up at Seatac and all major freeways.

Considering that the signage you're talking about is currently covered in No to Prop 1 signs to sway voters into shrinking said buses to the size of being drowned in the bathtub, I'm thinking the slogan works-as is.

Bob Socko
Feb 20, 2001

bwahahahaha

quote:

State Senate Majority Leader Rodney Tom drops re-election bid

State Senate Majority Leader Rodney Tom, a Medina Democrat who joined with Republicans to give them control of that chamber, told colleagues Monday morning that he is dropping his bid for re-election.

Tom, 50, a polarizing figure who started his career as a Republican before becoming a Democrat and then switching his caucus allegiances, cited health concerns — his own and his father’s — in an email to the other members of the majority coalition he formed before the 2013 legislative session.

The socially liberal and fiscally conservative second-term senator was probably facing the political fight of his life — a top target of Democrats, but unwilling to fully embrace the GOP, Tom was starting a heated battle with former Kirkland Mayor Joan McBride. McBride has already raised more than $61,000, among the most of any challenger. Tom had raised $109,000.

“It’s been an incredible honor, an incredible privilege, but I’ve always said family comes first and there are some things I have to do,” Tom said in an interview.

He added that his campaign was in good shape and leading in an internal poll conducted last week.
The decision creates a major opportunity for mainstream Democrats, who are battling to take back the Senate from the Majority Coalition Caucus that includes 24 Republicans, Tom and Potlatch Democrat Tim Sheldon. The Democratic Caucus has 23 seats.

Democrats can continue to support McBride or switch things up by running someone else such as powerful state House budget chairman Ross Hunter or state Rep. Cyrus Habib.

Habib said a more high profile candidate could help the party win the suburban Eastside seat while saving resources for other priority races. He said he’s “going to have a number of conversations today and tomorrow” with party leaders.
Republicans, who had allowed a former spokesman to be Tom’s campaign manager, will now have to find a candidate of their own.

There is no obvious GOP candidate. The closest might be businessman Gregg Bennett, who raised more than half a million dollars in an unsuccessful 2010 challenge to Tom.

Tom said he is not yet supporting anybody to replace him.

Below is Tom’s email to his Senate colleagues:

I wanted to let you know I will not be running for re-election to the state senate this year. A sequence of events just make this the right decision for me. I’m still working through some health issue related to my kidney stones adventure that I had at the end of session. The final straw was on this past Thursday, my 85 year old father was hit by a car while walking in the grocery store parking lot (in a crosswalk with his cane). It broke his femur, as well as damaging his hip. He’s going to require a lot of physical therapy over the next several months, and I’m his only son that lives in the area. I have always said that health and family are my number one values, and instead of that being merely a campaign slogan, I really do try to live by them.

It has been an incredible honor to serve in the Legislature these past 12 years, especially these last two years working with the Majority Coalition Caucus (MCC). It has been a thrill of a lifetime working with all of you (well, most of you!). I really do believe we did an amazing job for the citizens of Washington state these past two years in focusing on jobs and the economy, creating a great education system for all of Washington from pre-K to our colleges and universities, all while maintaining a sustainable budget that empowers our economy.

I wish you all the best of luck in the future, you’re an amazingly talented group of individuals. I hope you stay true to the core principles of the MCC, and leave the social and other divisive issues aside. If you stay focused on what really matters in driving our economy forward, the citizens of this state will be well served.
My only regret is that I can't watch him lose now.

Ham Equity
Apr 16, 2013

The first thing we do, let's kill all the cars.
Grimey Drawer
For anyone reading this thread from outside the area, "Seattle Sunshine" is what we euphemistically refer to rain as. It helps stop us from getting suicidally depressed.

It definitely wasn't 68 degrees and gorgeous the past couple of weekends.

OwlBot 2000
Jun 1, 2009
While I'm said about the reasons for his departure from WA politics, he really was terrible. Rodney Tom Is the Worst Person in Washington

quote:

As you may recall from recent coverage, Senator Tom abandoned his Democratic caucus earlier this year along with his buddy Tim Sheldon to form a narrow Republican majority. So Tom, who was elected as a Democrat, is now running the GOP and serving as the pied piper of its obstructionist, conservative agenda. But he pretends that's not what's happening—he pretends he's being bipartisan and that he "supports" things like women's rights and immigration reform.

No one likes being lied to, Senator Tom. I'm certainly tired of hearing you proudly proclaim your pro-choice position—and touting support you've received from pro-choice organizations—and then, when we had a chance to pass the Reproductive Parity Act, watching you hand the bill to a committee led by anti-choice senator Randi Becker who, predictably, prevented it from coming to a vote. (Thanks for telling me straight-facedly that you knew she'd "hear bills that she might not be the strongest believer in" and that "it's important for [committee] members to have an open mind.")


http://www.thestranger.com/seattle/rodney-tom-traitor/Content?oid=15506075

quote:

The Republicans straight-facedly touted their coup as a "bipartisan Majority Coalition Caucus," but of course there's nothing bipartisan about it. The "coalition" consists of the 23-member Republican Caucus, plus the not-really-Democratic Tim Sheldon of Potlatch and the Republican-turned- Democrat-turned-Republican-collaborator Rodney Tom of Medina. For their treachery, Tom gets the powerful "majority" leader position while Sheldon gets president pro tempore (plus several plum committee assignments).

In the service of maintaining the fiction of bipartisanship, senate Republicans offered their Democratic counterparts the privilege of chairing several minor committees. But the fact is that Republicans will control the most important committees with the most critical agendas: Health & Long-Term Care (which will deal with Obamacare Medicaid expansion and the Reproductive Parity Act), Early Learning & K–12 Education (which will address the McCleary decision), and Ways & Means (which will address the budget). These are the committees where Governor Jay Inslee's Democratic agenda will go to die.

oxbrain
Aug 18, 2005

Put a glide in your stride and a dip in your hip and come on up to the mothership.

Gerund posted:

Considering that the signage you're talking about is currently covered in No to Prop 1 signs to sway voters into shrinking said buses to the size of being drowned in the bathtub, I'm thinking the slogan works-as is.

"Come to WA, we're progressive!"*


*with the most regressive state tax structure in the nation.

edit:

"Our state constitution guarantees funding for education!"**

**currently underfunded due to legislative gridlock.

oxbrain fucked around with this message at 06:29 on Apr 15, 2014

silicone thrills
Jan 9, 2008

I paint things
I was mildy pissed off about Rodney Tom because the fucker poo poo everything up and won't even bother to fight for it.

Also - is there any movement to basically replace our hosed up regressive tax system with an income tax written into the same bill?

I'd seriously promote the gently caress out of it. gently caress this regressive tax system.

OwlBot 2000
Jun 1, 2009
Yeah it's sad to see him voluntarily leave before voters got a chance to kick him out.

Gerund
Sep 12, 2007

He push a man


Tigntink posted:

Also - is there any movement to basically replace our hosed up regressive tax system with an income tax written into the same bill?

I'd seriously promote the gently caress out of it. gently caress this regressive tax system.

There had been an attempt to pass an initiative recently that would have put in a high-tier state income tax, but it failed.

And at least Washington has a constitutional amendment to not apply sales tax to food items. In Idaho, the food sales tax gets voted in and out based on the year, which is just the worst. At least a tax on iPads is just piss-away money, not the things you need to piss in the first place.

oxbrain
Aug 18, 2005

Put a glide in your stride and a dip in your hip and come on up to the mothership.
I-1098 would have put a 5% sales tax on income over $200k($400k for couples) while dropping property tax by 20%, nearly eliminating B&O tax, and added a shitload to education funding. It failed 64-35.

In the mean time Tim Eyman passed three initiatives that would require a 2/3 majority vote for any tax increase. Doesn't matter that they were unconstitutional, we hate taxes so much we passed them anyway.

edit: :shobon:

oxbrain fucked around with this message at 14:30 on Apr 15, 2014

got any sevens
Feb 9, 2013

by Cyrano4747
I love this area, I hate the greedy loving people.

Farmer Crack-Ass
Jan 2, 2001

this is me posting irl
How do you apply sales tax based on income bracket?

mod sassinator
Dec 13, 2006
I came here to Kick Ass and Chew Bubblegum,
and I'm All out of Ass
Typo, it was an income tax. I was sad to see that one get voted down, but didn't have a ton of hope for it.

I'm curious, who is Eyman and what has he done to attract so much negative attention? I remember reading the description in the voters guide for some of the bills he pushed and the opposition started out with "Here we go again, another Tim Eyman bill." What's his history? Is he a republican from the east of the state coming in to gently caress things up, or just a business guy with a boner for politics?

got any sevens
Feb 9, 2013

by Cyrano4747

mod sassinator posted:

Typo, it was an income tax. I was sad to see that one get voted down, but didn't have a ton of hope for it.

I'm curious, who is Eyman and what has he done to attract so much negative attention? I remember reading the description in the voters guide for some of the bills he pushed and the opposition started out with "Here we go again, another Tim Eyman bill." What's his history? Is he a republican from the east of the state coming in to gently caress things up, or just a business guy with a boner for politics?

The former. He's been doing anti-tax poo poo for 15+ years. His biggest success was lowering car tabs back in the 90's from like 300 bucks a year to ~50, dunno what public service that hosed over in return since I was a kid. Just another FYGM rear end in a top hat.

Ham Equity
Apr 16, 2013

The first thing we do, let's kill all the cars.
Grimey Drawer

effectual posted:

The former. He's been doing anti-tax poo poo for 15+ years. His biggest success was lowering car tabs back in the 90's from like 300 bucks a year to ~50, dunno what public service that hosed over in return since I was a kid. Just another FYGM rear end in a top hat.

It was from a progressive tab fee based on car value to ~$30 or something.

It hosed over the Department of Licensing and public transit.

Also, I'm super-loving-happy to see Rodney Tom gone. Yeah, it would've been nicer to see him lose, but this means we don't need to win a costly primary before a costly general.

Solkanar512
Dec 28, 2006

by the sex ghost

mod sassinator posted:

Typo, it was an income tax. I was sad to see that one get voted down, but didn't have a ton of hope for it.

I'm curious, who is Eyman and what has he done to attract so much negative attention? I remember reading the description in the voters guide for some of the bills he pushed and the opposition started out with "Here we go again, another Tim Eyman bill." What's his history? Is he a republican from the east of the state coming in to gently caress things up, or just a business guy with a boner for politics?

That fucker is from Mukilteo. I'm in my early 30s, and I remember him doing poo poo when I was in 5th grade.

oxbrain
Aug 18, 2005

Put a glide in your stride and a dip in your hip and come on up to the mothership.

mod sassinator posted:

I'm curious, who is Eyman and what has he done to attract so much negative attention? I remember reading the description in the voters guide for some of the bills he pushed and the opposition started out with "Here we go again, another Tim Eyman bill." What's his history? Is he a republican from the east of the state coming in to gently caress things up, or just a business guy with a boner for politics?

He's an initiative troll. Rich people pay him to create initiatives so they don't have to do it in their own name. He's mostly done initiatives to cut taxes and make it harder to raise taxes. The private casinos gave him a bunch of money to get slot machines legalized. He got money from the anti-gay marriage people to try and block a bill that would make it illegal to discriminate based on sexual orientation. Basically rear end in a top hat stuff. He's got a decent success rate at getting his poo poo passed, but a terrible success rate at having them struck down for being unconstitutional. He still gets money because it's a really, really cheap way for the rich to influence state politics.

His largest financier lately is Kemper Freeman, who owns bell square, lincoln square, and a bunch of other stuff in bellevue. He's behind the push to restrict tolls on the bridges because rich people from seattle come shop and work in bellevue. He's also the one funding the battle to prevent light rail getting to bellevue because he doesn't want filthy poors dirtying up his malls.

edit: The signature gatherer for I-1329(anti citizens united) made a point of telling me it wasn't another tim eyman initiative.

oxbrain fucked around with this message at 15:17 on Apr 15, 2014

woke wedding drone
Jun 1, 2003

by exmarx
Fun Shoe
He's the James O'Keefe of legislation.

silicone thrills
Jan 9, 2008

I paint things

oxbrain posted:

He's behind the push to restrict tolls on the bridges because rich people from seattle come shop and work in bellevue. He's also the one funding the battle to prevent light rail getting to bellevue because he doesn't want filthy poors dirtying up his malls.

edit: The signature gatherer for I-1329(anti citizens united) made a point of telling me it wasn't another tim eyman initiative.

Sound Transit's head lawyer wrecked this poo poo in the state supreme court. gently caress Kemper.

Doorknob Slobber
Sep 10, 2006

by Fluffdaddy

Hey I know this is all the way on page one, but I had to go to this place to serve an inmate a few weeks ago and there was a sign on the door saying there was a Mumps outbreak and no one who wasn't immune should enter. Also it was a terrible place and no one there knew what was going on when I was trying to serve the inmate. I also think that some prisoners are still on/thinking about hunger strike and there have been quite a few protests outside the building.

Also Portland traffic is worse than Seattle traffic, I5 heading north trying to get to the bridge is really, really bad.

Doorknob Slobber fucked around with this message at 17:19 on Apr 15, 2014

LGD
Sep 25, 2004

Reason posted:

Also Portland traffic is worse than Seattle traffic, I5 heading north trying to get to the bridge is really, really bad.

It's not that bad for people who actually live in Portland. There need to be better transit options, but no one on the Washington side of the border seems especially interested in paying for their share (all legitimate concerns about the CRC boondoggle aside). The state of Oregon has already expressed a willingness to put up serious money, so its really up to WA and Vancouver to find the will to make their commutes tolerable. Since Vancouver exists mostly to allow its residents to avoid taxes I have severe doubts about that happening in the near future, and if that is the case my perspective is that they can all go hang.

Ham Equity
Apr 16, 2013

The first thing we do, let's kill all the cars.
Grimey Drawer

LGD posted:

It's not that bad for people who actually live in Portland. There need to be better transit options, but no one on the Washington side of the border seems especially interested in paying for their share (all legitimate concerns about the CRC boondoggle aside). The state of Oregon has already expressed a willingness to put up serious money, so its really up to WA and Vancouver to find the will to make their commutes tolerable. Since Vancouver exists mostly to allow its residents to avoid taxes I have severe doubts about that happening in the near future, and if that is the case my perspective is that they can all go hang.
As someone from Washington, I feel the same. gently caress Vancouverites.

silicone thrills
Jan 9, 2008

I paint things

Thanatosian posted:

As someone from Washington, I feel the same. gently caress Vancouverites.

Bahhahahaha I was just ranting about how loving useless and lovely Vancouver WA is. I want to punch them in their stupid loving faces every time I hear them complain about the state of the bridges. IT'S YOUR FAULT ASSHOLES.

Beowulfs_Ghost
Nov 6, 2009

LGD posted:

It's not that bad for people who actually live in Portland.

Yup. The daily traffic jam from the north end of the 405 to the Interstate Bridge isn't something that really bothers people who live in Portland. Unless Vancouver wants to help fund a much bigger bridge, one with light rail that they'll use, or pay some tolls, they can spend an hour a day sitting in traffic.

woke wedding drone
Jun 1, 2003

by exmarx
Fun Shoe

Tigntink posted:

Bahhahahaha I was just ranting about how loving useless and lovely Vancouver WA is. I want to punch them in their stupid loving faces every time I hear them complain about the state of the bridges. IT'S YOUR FAULT ASSHOLES.

"But I need tax-free groceries, Portland should get its poo poo together with the $0 I provide them."

Ham Equity
Apr 16, 2013

The first thing we do, let's kill all the cars.
Grimey Drawer
Oregon should just build that bridge themselves, then stick a $20 toll on it to fund it.

It sure as gently caress isn't a bunch of Portlanders heading up to Vancouver three times a week who are using it. And I wouldn't give a poo poo about a $20 toll the handful of times I go to Portland a year.

Bip Roberts
Mar 29, 2005

Thanatosian posted:

Oregon should just build that bridge themselves, then stick a $20 toll on it to fund it.

It sure as gently caress isn't a bunch of Portlanders heading up to Vancouver three times a week who are using it. And I wouldn't give a poo poo about a $20 toll the handful of times I go to Portland a year.

What would the federal restrictions on this be with regards to interstate commerce?

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OBAMNA PHONE
Aug 7, 2002

SedanChair posted:

"But I need tax-free groceries, Portland should get its poo poo together with the $0 I provide them."

Groceries are already exempt from sales tax.

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