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That is really weird. Since all the other Dictate of __________ are universal effects.
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Apr 15, 2014 16:11
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Why couldn't they just have gotten Terese Nielsen to draw every enchantment in the block? "All enchantments are Nielsen" would have been a way cooler motif than "all enchantments are starfieldy".
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Apr 15, 2014 16:15
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starbarry clock posted:http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=366384&type=card i could see this also working really well with thaumaturge since you would play this on their upkeep and just tap everything they have down for free and maybe kill stuff while at the same time hitting them in the face for the full x I'm not exactly sure what you're asking, but you can't return the guys that you sacced. You pick targets before paying costs. Also, there's no way to stack it such that the red guy's ability goes off while this ability is on the stack, short of strionic resonator+stifle.
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Apr 15, 2014 16:15
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with this guy's first ability because of that colon you would sacrifice things first and after that resolves(and any other triggers resulting from that do) the creatures you sac'd would return right? so if you had the big red rear end in a top hat who destroys all other permanents when he dies, everything would blow up and then you could return x creatures back to the battlefield right?
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starbarry clock posted:with this guy's first ability because of that colon you would sacrifice things first and after that resolves(and any other triggers resulting from that do) the creatures you sac'd would return right? so if you had the big red rear end in a top hat who destroys all other permanents when he dies, everything would blow up and then you could return x creatures back to the battlefield right? No because you would need to declare targets at the same time you activate his ability. You can't sac dudes and reanimate those same dudes because they aren't valid targets when you activate his ability. If the red guy was worded differently, you could get some other guys back after everything else blew up, but that doesn't work either because it's end of turn.
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Apr 15, 2014 16:15
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Alaan posted:That is really weird. Since all the other Dictate of __________ are universal effects. It's not that weird, a universal Anthem wouldn't be any more interesting to play with at instant speed. Dave Humpherys mentions this in his development article: quote:We were having a hard time finishing out the cycle and eventually decided it was best to loosen up the cycle a bit and simply find enchantments that would be the most interesting if they had flash, rather than restricting these all to symmetric effects.
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Apr 15, 2014 16:22
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Entropic posted:Why couldn't they just have gotten Terese Nielsen to draw every enchantment in the block? "All enchantments are Nielsen" would have been a way cooler motif than "all enchantments are starfieldy". All enchantments are Nielsen and/or Guay.
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Apr 15, 2014 16:22
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quote:Battlefield Thaumaturge every Theros block cost reduction
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Apr 15, 2014 16:32
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They really want you to be able to tron up a Mirari's Wake in G/W this set don't they.
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Apr 15, 2014 16:33
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rabidsquid posted:They really want you to be able to tron up a Mirari's Wake in G/W this set don't they. They should've just reprinted Mirari's Wake. Come on, Elspeth was just on Mirrodin, the Mirari was on Mirrodin. Maybe a piece of Memnarch got stuck to her shoe.
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Apr 15, 2014 16:42
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rabidsquid posted:They really want you to be able to tron up a Mirari's Wake in G/W this set don't they. Green Dictate is too symmetrical to fuel the amazing thing that was Wake.
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Apr 15, 2014 16:44
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Attorney at Funk posted:
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Apr 15, 2014 16:45
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Dictate of Heliod is crap. Any deck that wants an Anthem effect will never pay 5 mana for it.
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Apr 15, 2014 16:48
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mcmagic posted:Dictate of Heliod is crap. Any deck that wants an Anthem effect will never pay 5 mana for it. It's a pretty wicked limited rare for sure.
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Apr 15, 2014 16:51
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Korak posted:Naya/Esper Hexproof gonna wreck faces for the next few months. Yeah man, let's play a creature that turns on their removal that they couldn't use on your other dudes.
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Apr 15, 2014 16:51
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mcmagic posted:Dictate of Heliod is crap. Any deck that wants an Anthem effect will never pay 5 mana for it. Collective Blessing saw some fringe play in Junk Tokens last standard.
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Apr 15, 2014 16:52
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Zoness posted:Yeah man, let's play a creature that turns on their removal that they couldn't use on your other dudes.
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Apr 15, 2014 17:05
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JerryLee posted:All enchantments are Nielsen and/or Guay. Yeah, because what I want is enchantments that look like this. 
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Apr 15, 2014 17:07
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Entropic posted:Collective Blessing saw some fringe play in Junk Tokens last standard. I'm still holding out hope that it will get one last shot before this season is over.... I miss my token decks.
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Apr 15, 2014 17:08
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Korak posted:There are several ways to make him hexproof right now. The worst case scenario is it getting searing blooded immediately. Best case you shut someone down long enough to beat down. But hexproof decks don't play cards that make their cards hexproof?
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Apr 15, 2014 17:09
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MrBling posted:Yeah, because what I want is enchantments that look like this.
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Apr 15, 2014 17:09
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Zoness posted:But hexproof decks don't play cards that make their cards hexproof?  EDIT: Also, has gotten plenty of play in the past, not as relevant currently:
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Apr 15, 2014 17:10
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I wonder if Battlemage and that Izzet goblin will lead to some funky UR Valuetown decks.
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Apr 15, 2014 17:12
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BaronVonVaderham posted:
http://mtgtop8.com/event?e=7060&d=240591&f=ST I dunno man, I don't see it in the up-to-date hexproof lists. Zoness fucked around with this message at 17:26 on Apr 15, 2014 |
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Apr 15, 2014 17:13
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BaronVonVaderham posted:I'm still holding out hope that it will get one last shot before this season is over.... I miss my token decks. Well I mean if you think Pharika and an anthem is a thing that you would like to do in a Junk deck you probably could. I don't think it would be a deck that could take down a GP but you could probably have fun with it at FNM. Sidebar is there any reason to be excited that Obzedat turning on B/W god during only your own turns is an interaction that can occur?
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Apr 15, 2014 17:16
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Zoness posted:http://mtgtop8.com/event?e=7060&d=240591&f=ST Not saying it's getting play at the moment (I haven't really played or looked at hexproof in months), but Alpha Authority is a card that was in almost every hexproof list I saw a while back, nor is it a bad card. It's lost relevance with things like Witchstalker to suit up. Just saying, it's something that's been done and CAN be done without much drawback (add something like Unflinching Courage for trample and not being able to use multiple blockers is extremely relevant). Personally, I'd rather stick Aqueous Form on a Witchstalker, but blue has fallen out of favor for red lately. rabidsquid posted:Well I mean if you think Pharika and an anthem is a thing that you would like to do in a Junk deck you probably could. I don't think it would be a deck that could take down a GP but you could probably have fun with it at FNM. I know  I'm just still sad that Selesnya hasn't been doing well this year. Nothing but wishful thinking.Also, yes. I had that same thought. No real need to overextend into a wrath or leave him open to things like Glare of Heresy any longer than you have to. BaronVonVaderham fucked around with this message at 17:19 on Apr 15, 2014 |
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Apr 15, 2014 17:17
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BaronVonVaderham posted:Not saying it's getting play at the moment (I haven't really played or looked at hexproof in months), but Alpha Authority is a card that was in almost every hexproof list I saw a while back, nor is it a bad card. It's lost relevance with things like Witchstalker to suit up. All right - here's an in-depth analysis of why this card isn't useful in a Hexproof shell. Naya Hexproof uses redundancy and hexproof and voice to blank like, 90% of the spells mono-black casts while using the efficiency of auras to outrace pack rats. That speed also lets it race Supreme Verdict, which is a luxury that Alpha Authority does not provide. By playing not-True Believer, you're playing a 2-drop that's vulnerable to every removal spell the rest of your creatures aren't, that doesn't come down before thoughtseize and is significantly less useful than voice. It may have a place post rotation, and it probably has a place in an older format as a hatebear, but it doesn't belong in a hexproof shell because it forces you to play worse cards to make it work with the rest of your cards. The hexproof deck is tuned to be able to fight at least two of the top three decks in the format and playing this guy just makes it worse at doing exactly that. As-is, you're just opening yourself up to much easier 2-for-1's by playing this card with the rest of a Hexproof shell, which is why it doesn't make sense. The problem with playing auras that don't boost the power of your creatures is that you're just asking to lose to any deck with Verdicts at that point because they don't actually accelerate your clock. Zoness fucked around with this message at 17:23 on Apr 15, 2014 |
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Apr 15, 2014 17:20
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Zoness posted:All right - here's an in-depth analysis of why this card isn't useful in a Hexproof shell. Naya Hexproof uses redundancy and hexproof and voice to blank like, 90% of the spells mono-black casts while using the efficiency of auras to outrace pack rats. By playing not-True Believer, you're playing a 2-drop that's vulnerable to every removal spell the rest of your creatures aren't, that doesn't come down before thoughtseize and is arguably less useful than voice. I should clarify: I wasn't defending whatever creature this is (too lazy to scroll back), I have no dog in that fight. Just saw "there's no way to make things hexproof" and jumped in with a pet favorite card and things I played in hexproof last season that have been underplayed recently. You're probably absolutely right otherwise.
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Apr 15, 2014 17:24
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So if I were to target the entire board with curse of the swine, including Thermatuge, wouldn't Thermatuge become hexproof and life would be incredibly boaring around him?
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Apr 15, 2014 17:28
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Count Bleck posted:So if I were to target the entire board with curse of the swine, including Thermatuge, wouldn't Thermatuge become hexproof and life would be incredibly boaring around him? What does Hexproof mean?
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Apr 15, 2014 17:30
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Count Bleck posted:So if I were to target the entire board with curse of the swine, including Thermatuge, wouldn't Thermatuge become hexproof and life would be incredibly boaring around him? You can target your own hexproof guys.
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Apr 15, 2014 17:31
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JerryLee posted:I can't tell if this is sarcasm or not, but: yes, unironically this. You are a bad person. Nielsen trivia (whom I like much more than Guay): the art on Plea For Guidance, the BNG double Idyllic Tutor, was originally going to be for a straight up reprint of Idyllic Tutor. The dove appearing in both isn't a coincidence.
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Apr 15, 2014 17:32
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Nehru the Damaja posted:You can target your own hexproof guys. Oh yeah. drat. 
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Apr 15, 2014 17:32
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Lunsku posted:What does Hexproof mean? I was more concerned with what creature Thermatuge [sic] was, since it sounded like it was a red creature of beast type or something.
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Apr 15, 2014 17:33
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Zoness posted:I was more concerned with what creature Thermatuge [sic] was, since it sounded like it was a red creature of beast type or something. Thaumaturge is basically just a wizard. It's specific to Theros though, and I'm not sure if there's any connection with the similarly-named thaumaturgists.
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Apr 15, 2014 17:37
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Ableist Kinkshamer posted:Thaumaturge is basically just a wizard. It's specific to Theros though, and I'm not sure if there's any connection with the similarly-named thaumaturgists. That's why Zoness put a [sic] in the post.
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Apr 15, 2014 17:38
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Sleep of Bronze posted:That's why Zoness put a [sic] in the post. I'm not sure what knowing how to spell something has to do with knowing what it is, but ok.
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Apr 15, 2014 17:41
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The idea was swapping in "Therma" implied it was like a heat wizard.
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Apr 15, 2014 17:46
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Count Bleck posted:So if I were to target the entire board with curse of the swine, including Thermatuge, wouldn't Thermatuge become hexproof and life would be incredibly boaring around him? E,fb on him being Hexproof, but you can still get away with this without targeting the Battlemage.
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Apr 15, 2014 17:48
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BaronVonVaderham posted:I'm still holding out hope that it will get one last shot before this season is over.... I miss my token decks. Yeah, good luck without Lingering Souls.
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Apr 15, 2014 17:49
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I'm going to predict that the answer is 'No', but does the Thaumaturge reduce Overload costs?
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Apr 15, 2014 17:52
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