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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:Stupid government, trying to protect the environment and human lives. No, don't you see, I want to drive a rolling sculpture like those classic Buicks. Why don't I just buy a used one you ask. Because I want a safe and fuel efficient vehicle.
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PeterWeller posted:No, don't you see, I want to drive a rolling sculpture like those classic Buicks. Why don't I just buy a used one you ask. Because I want a safe and fuel efficient vehicle. I think the answer to this dilemma was posted earlier: Itzena posted:Remember the Peugeot Onyx concept from last year? The copper & carbon fibre one - Euro socialism wins again.
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Apr 15, 2014 21:43
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Want to touch that wood. 
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Cream_Filling posted:I think the answer to this dilemma was posted earlier: And here i thought spending millions on goofy concepts when your company is in the shitter was a CAUSE of socialism, not a result of it.
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Powershift posted:And here i thought spending millions on goofy concepts when your company is in the shitter was a CAUSE of socialism, not a result of it. You've slept through far too many classes already. Hell, that looks a bit like the 2011 PhoeniX concept and the last generation 9-5 to me.
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Cream_Filling posted:I think the answer to this dilemma was posted earlier: Oh sorry, I forgot to include "reliable".
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Apr 16, 2014 01:25
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Low belt lines you say? Z06 now comes with convertible top and automatic trans.
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Apr 16, 2014 01:47
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What's the equivalent of Bangle butt but for the front of the car? I guess that's one of those power bulge hoods or whatever theyr'e called. Either that or let's see a dry sump engine in a family sedan. That's got to be good for at least a good two inches or so off engine height, right?
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Apr 16, 2014 01:57
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Cream_Filling posted:What's the equivalent of Bangle butt but for the front of the car? I guess that's one of those power bulge hoods or whatever theyr'e called. Either that or let's see a dry sump engine in a family sedan. That's got to be good for at least a good two inches or so off engine height, right? Also convert the engine to OHV and the front suspension to leaf springs.
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Apr 16, 2014 02:12
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If you put the engine in the back, hood clearance is a non-issue.
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Apr 16, 2014 02:39
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Throatwarbler posted:Low belt lines you say? That color is amazing.
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Snowdens Secret posted:If you put the engine in the back, hood clearance is a non-issue. But rear decklid height and visibility still are.   All car design should have just stopped in 1991. It's been downhill ever since. 
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Apr 16, 2014 03:27
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Throatwarbler posted:Low belt lines you say? Welcome to the year of our Lord 2014 where the automatic transmission is the luxury option, the efficiency option and the performance option. Automatic Z06 is going to be the fast one.
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oRenj9 posted:That color is amazing. Almost looks like the old teal my mom had on her 89 Camaro. Not hers, identical except the wheels though.  It was funny, too. She was in her early 30's, blond hair, blue eyes, 3rd generation Italian-American, and listened to Whitesnake and Def Leppard. Way to be a loving stereotype, mom! Seizure Meat fucked around with this message at 04:39 on Apr 16, 2014 |
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Apr 16, 2014 04:35
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VikingSkull posted:Almost looks like the old teal my mom had on her 89 Camaro. Looks like Jeremy Clarkson's car from the US special. ...she never murdered anyone, did she?
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Apr 16, 2014 05:21
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not to my knowledge but anything is possible that was a bitchin' car though
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VikingSkull posted:not to my knowledge but anything is possible Would you say it was a Bitchin' Camaro?
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Apr 16, 2014 09:24
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PeterWeller posted:Oh sorry, I forgot to include "reliable". Peugeots are reliable, it pretty much goes like this: Peugeot = Good handling, reliable, slightly conservative in styling and features. Citroën = Comfortable as gently caress, mad designs, gets the new PSA platforms and potentially unreliable features first, weird electrical issues are common (at least on older models). Renault = Dull as poo poo apart from their hot hatches, unreliable, shoddy build quality.
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KozmoNaut posted:Peugeots are reliable, it pretty much goes like this: BMW, Mercedes, Volkswagen? GM, Ford, Chrysler? Honda, Toyota,
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KozmoNaut posted:Peugeot = Good handling, reliable, slightly conservative in styling and features. I still think it went all wrong for Peugeot after the 306 and 406 - the subsequent models just don't drive like the old ones. Also I blame Renault for the electrical gremlins in my '02 Nissan - never had any issues with my pre-Renault era Nissans
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dissss posted:I still think it went all wrong for Peugeot after the 306 and 406 - the subsequent models just don't drive like the old ones. I've heard that the 407 actually drives really well, but you're right about the 206, 207, 307, 308 and so on. Limp wet-noodle handling and extremely questionable contruction. The newer models such as the 208, new 308 and 508 are very nice cars indeed, so I think they're finally back to form. Citroën made a real stinker with the first-gen C5, but other than that they've been doing quite well. Don't get me wrong, the C5 isn't a bad car (the suspension is wonderful), it just isn't very good.
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HotCanadianChick posted:Would you say it was a Bitchin' Camaro? Yes. Yes I would. Also of note is my haircut at the time was a mullet without the commitment, aka the rat tail. Ahhhh, the 80's.
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Cream_Filling posted:This is a pretty silly statement to make about a car covered in camo. Its just a vinyl wrap. You can still clearly make out the beltline on the rear quarter of the car. If the real thing comes out and the beltline is significantly lower I'll quote this post proclaiming how wrong I was.
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Apr 16, 2014 13:41
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aparmenideanmonad posted:Self driving cars are going to happen before this. If driver training was anything approaching effective, we could have vehicle autopilots NOW. The trouble is, it's something you would still have to monitor, and pay attention to. Not something you turn on, and then bury your face in a smartphone or book. Even if we go to autodriving cars, ignoring the road will still be reckless, because, as I've said countless times, poo poo BREAKS, and as the nominal operator of the vehicle, you're still responsible for it. If you want to be totally self-absorbed during your commute, take a train.
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Peugeot have just unveiled their 2008 DKR for next year's Dakar Rally with Carlos Sainz behind the wheel, and it looks absolutely bonkers:          First the 208 T16 at Pikes Peak, and now they're trying to reclaim the Dakar (which they won in '87, '88, '89 and '90). I can't say I'm too unhappy with Peugeot's new direction 
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Coredump posted:Its just a vinyl wrap. You can still clearly make out the beltline on the rear quarter of the car. If the real thing comes out and the beltline is significantly lower I'll quote this post proclaiming how wrong I was. There's also what appears to be padding to obscure the shape of the greenhouse, which affects your original complaint which was about the size of the rear quarters, not beltlines. Complaining about styling based solely on mules in camo is dumb. OXBALLS DOT COM fucked around with this message at 14:17 on Apr 16, 2014 |
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poo poo breaks on human operated cars too. Autonomous cars don't need to be infallible 100% of the time to be an improvement, they only have to be better than the current state of people driving around texting and applying makeup.
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VikingSkull posted:Almost looks like the old teal my mom had on her 89 Camaro. gently caress I would buy a new Camaro with their base steel wheels tomorrow if they had that color, and I'm only half Italian haha. Saw one with home made IROC stickers and it made me laugh really hard. I wonder if people are going to homebrew T-Tops to let whats left of their rat tails flap in the wind. Also saw a Firebird nosed new Camaro in Providence and boy they look awful.
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Cream_Filling posted:There's also what appears to be padding to obscure the shape of the greenhouse, which affects your original complaint which was about the size of the rear quarters, not beltlines. My bad, said beltline, meant rear quarters. We will see about the padding.
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Throatwarbler posted:poo poo breaks on human operated cars too. Autonomous cars don't need to be infallible 100% of the time to be an improvement, they only have to be better than the current state of people driving around texting and applying makeup. I agree with you, but autonomous cars will only last until the first time the operator is ignoring everything going on around them, and their Googlecar plows through a school crossing, killing a couple kids. Automation doesn't absolve an operator of responsibility. Trying to fix a training problem with an engineering solution still isn't effective.
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The new cruze was caught naked weeks ago. http://www.carnewschina.com/2014/03/31/spy-shots-2015-chevrolet-cruze-is-naked-in-china/ No profile shot though.
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They'll probably just start with like a special supercruise lane on the highway or something but honestly I'm pretty skeptical about an affordable autonomous car that can handle urban traffic anytime soon i.e. within the next 20 years. Especially considering poo poo like necessary infrastructure (insanely slow), legislative support, and establishign a standard for communication or traffic behaviors that would actually allow such a system to be superior to human drivers, all of which takes forever and would have to come only after the tech itself is at least somewhat mature. Frankly very few people are going to be willing to pay an extra $10k for sensors and poo poo that needs maintenance which means it's going to take a long time for the price to come down and for something like this to catch on, especially given the continuing economic climate.
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Cream_Filling posted:They'll probably just start with like a special supercruise lane on the highway or something but honestly I'm pretty skeptical about an affordable autonomous car that can handle urban traffic anytime soon i.e. within the next 20 years. Especially considering poo poo like necessary infrastructure (insanely slow), legislative support, and establishign a standard for communication or traffic behaviors that would actually allow such a system to be superior to human drivers, all of which takes forever and would have to come only after the tech itself is at least somewhat mature. Frankly very few people are going to be willing to pay an extra $10k for sensors and poo poo that needs maintenance which means it's going to take a long time for the price to come down and for something like this to catch on, especially given the continuing economic climate. Yeah, automated freeway travel is going to be the future. Alerts when your exit is approaching, if no acknowledgement xxx meters from the exit, car pulls over and parks itself. Manual driving on surface roads. This is driving automation I'd like to see. And not everyone on the freeway would need to be running it anyway. There's already adaptive cruise and automatic steering on a lot of vehicles. That's practically auto drive already.
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Yeah there really is no reason why they couldn't have a car that doesn't cost an insane amount have the ability to go into autopilot on the highway. Between adaptive cruise control, lane departure warning, gps and the auto steering that you see on cars with park assist. All the pieces are in cars and work well. Integrating them wouldn't be a significant hurdle.
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KozmoNaut posted:Citroën = Comfortable as gently caress, mad designs... The Citroen C4 Cactus:    200kg lighter than the model it's replacing, bench seats front and rear, touchscreen centre screen, and the 'panelling' on the sides/rear is basically oversized bubble-wrap. The sunroof on the higher-spec models has reactive glass (like sunglasses) rather than a sunblind, because it's lighter. ... That's the production model, by the way, not a concept.
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I don't expect to see driverless cars in urban settings for 20-30 years. The technology might exist and be mature, but getting every single person to purchase and operate one is an economic impossibility. You drive around on the roads with people who can barely afford to keep their early 90's Oldsmobile running. How is your driverless car going to stop them careening into you? Automated freeway driving would be amazing on the US turnpike. With an upgraded infrastructure, commercial goods transportation could become much cheaper if you don't need to pay someone to drive for 80% of the trip.
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You both realize that the driverless cars Google's been working on are driving around urban environments now with very few incidents? In over 500,000mi of combined autonomous driving there have been two reported incidents, one where the Google car was rear ended at a stop, and one where the person in the driver seat was operating the car instead of the autopilot and caused the crash? It's not like they're clocking those miles on test courses free of old junkers and incompetent drivers.
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The Google cars do, however, disable themselves when it's raining or snowing or night-time. When it's sunny and nice and warm is when I want to drive my own car. I suspect eventually something like the Subaru Eyesight with built-in stop-and-go cruise control is as far as I'm willing to go, although that keeps me from being able to have a stick shift and it still doesn't work at night.
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Seat Safety Switch posted:The Google cars do, however, disable themselves when it's raining or snowing or night-time. They also refuse to take the cars into the hills or any kind of difficult terrain.
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Automated freeway is where the most good would be done anyways. There's fuel efficiency gains, traffic density gains, speed gains, and chain reaction collision avoidance gains to be made there. It would be a godsend around Pittsburgh where dumb fleshy meat sacks have the unconscious urge to slow down when going through tunnels which causes massive massive backups. If everyone maintained 60 mph through the tunnels, traffic would evaporate overnight and millions of man hours commuting would be saved every year.
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