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Doltos posted:Well yes but also the fact that he's even being considered as a draft eligible QB also makes him pretty great at football. AJ does quite a lot of things well, he just isn't exceptionally great. Teams burning a 2nd or 3rd on him isn't out of the realm of possibility and doesn't automatically drat him to career backup. Are we really going to have to put a "compared to his peers" disclaimer any time we call a player lovely to avoid this dumb crap? Yes, if I were trying to play pickup football as a WR and some undrafted practice squad nobody was covering me, I'd be on UDFA Island. So what?
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dont call players bad, because, they're good actually
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Whenever I see that State Farm commercial with Patick Willis it makes me think about those guys playing pickup with regular Joes. I'd imagine it'd be even worse than this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4AhUZpnFK-w
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Intruder posted:Are we really going to have to put a "compared to his peers" disclaimer any time we call a player lovely to avoid this dumb crap? Yes, if I were trying to play pickup football as a WR and some undrafted practice squad nobody was covering me, I'd be on UDFA Island. So what? Well calling someone bad at football because of their draft grade is pretty silly. Hell, even watching the tape on McCarron and calling him bad is a disservice. Bad is just a bad term, it tells you nothing about the prospect. If you want to say McCarron is bad because he has a weak long ball, drops his eyes when his first read doesn't work out, likes to throw off his back foot, and floats passes past 20 yards, then fine. You can also say McCarron is good because he game managed a team to four successful seasons, hits his passing rhythm quickly, throws timing routes well and accurately, and is a decent enough athlete. I think either side of the coin is equally valid and both are far superior than saying a prospect is "good" or "bad" in a useless post.
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AJ is bad relative to his peers because he looks like a slightly shinier version of the turds Bama puts in at QB
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Doltos posted:Well calling someone bad at football because of their draft grade is pretty silly. Hell, even watching the tape on McCarron and calling him bad is a disservice. Bad is just a bad term, it tells you nothing about the prospect. holy poo poo
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Doltos posted:Well calling someone bad at football because of their draft grade is pretty silly. Hell, even watching the tape on McCarron and calling him bad is a disservice. Bad is just a bad term, it tells you nothing about the prospect. At this point you have now disappeared completely up your own rear end. I never get tired of watching Greg Jones truck people.
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Doltos posted:Well calling someone bad at football because of their draft grade is pretty silly. Hell, even watching the tape on McCarron and calling him bad is a disservice. Bad is just a bad term, it tells you nothing about the prospect. Your next point should be that none of us can criticize Greg Schiano because we haven't coached a football team, so who are we to judge.
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Oh wow, that's bad if you guys took that from the post. I'm saying evaluate a prospect based on what he shows instead of rehashing the same "He's bad" crap over and over but sure, say my head's up my rear end and continue to contribute nothing to the thread.
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Chichevache posted:Your next point should be that none of us can criticize Greg Schiano because we haven't coached a football team, so who are we to judge. Assuming there is a list that can be made for "Greg Schiano is a good NFL coach because:", then yeah, that could be his next point.
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Doltos posted:Oh wow, that's bad if you guys took that from the post. I'm saying evaluate a prospect based on what he shows instead of rehashing the same "He's bad" crap over and over but sure, say my head's up my rear end and continue to contribute nothing to the thread. We aren't just parroting his draft grade. We are using "bad" as shorthand so that we don't have to type out a god drat essay just to say that we are not interested in having a certain player on our team.
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I didn't see anything wrong with Doltos' post. I hope everyone has a nice day.
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Chichevache posted:We aren't just parroting his draft grade. We are using "bad" as shorthand so that we don't have to type out a god drat essay just to say that we are not interested in having a certain player on our team. I see very little discussion about what a prospect is actually good at. Hell one time Quest for Glory posted a great write up on Bortles and everyone ignored it in favor of bickering about where Bortles would get picked. All I'm asking is to actually talk about a prospect instead of automatically knee-jerking because the guy has a douche tattoo.
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Doltos posted:I see very little discussion about what a prospect is actually good at. Hell one time Quest for Glory posted a great write up on Bortles and everyone ignored it in favor of bickering about where Bortles would get picked. All I'm asking is to actually talk about a prospect instead of automatically knee-jerking because the guy has a douche tattoo. And what is wrong with discussing where Bortles will be drafted?
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Doltos posted:I see very little discussion about what a prospect is actually good at. Hell one time Quest for Glory posted a great write up on Bortles and everyone ignored it in favor of bickering about where Bortles would get picked. All I'm asking is to actually talk about a prospect instead of automatically knee-jerking because the guy has a douche tattoo. I mean... like Nick Foles' Helmullet, there's things I don't want to have to stare at for 16+ games every year.
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Chichevache posted:And what is wrong with discussing where Bortles will be drafted? Because it stretches for pages upon pages and is usually full of misinformed or under-informed opinions gleaned from Rotoworld blurbs. Scouting the draft isn't hard, I just wish some of you guys would put more effort into it. Watch a piece of game tape or two, form your own opinions, talk about what the prospect actually does instead of the media consensus on him.
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Doltos posted:Because it stretches for pages upon pages and is usually full of misinformed or under-informed opinions gleaned from Rotoworld blurbs. Scouting the draft isn't hard, I just wish some of you guys would put more effort into it. Watch a piece of game tape or two, form your own opinions, talk about what the prospect actually does instead of the media consensus on him. So your problem is that we are uninformed, not what we actually choose to discuss? What does any of this have to do with your dumb statement that started this whole discussion? Doltos posted:He won't light the world on fire but he's hardly lovely at football. McCarron would be the best QB we've ever seen if he played a game of pickup with us.
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Doltos posted:Because it stretches for pages upon pages and is usually full of misinformed or under-informed opinions gleaned from Rotoworld blurbs. Scouting the draft isn't hard, I just wish some of you guys would put more effort into it. Watch a piece of game tape or two, form your own opinions, talk about what the prospect actually does instead of the media consensus on him. People are going to get all pissed because it's Doltos, but I actually agree. It would be more interesting to see more effort posts. I would do effort posts if I knew what I was actually looking for. If someone explained how to break down different positions that would be really cool.
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Chichevache posted:So your problem is that we are uninformed, not what we actually choose to discuss? What does any of this have to do with your dumb statement that started this whole discussion? That's not a dumb statement and is actually a pretty true one? Especially considering I was responding to this: Groucho Marxist posted:The thing that concerns me the most over AJ is his being lovely at football But yes, I'm sorry for asking for you guys to show a little bit more effort in your posting.
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Whole bunch of dudes getting upset about another dude asking for better post quality ITT.
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Ehud posted:People are going to get all pissed because it's Doltos, but I actually agree. It would be more interesting to see more effort posts. Effort posts are great, but we should also keep in mind that this is a comedy forum on the internet where the discussion is between a bunch of individuals who have, at most, some high school experience with the occasional college player. Effort posts are awesome and we all love to read them, but expecting everyone to post a Jon Gruden level breakdown of every players is a pretty unreal expectation. Most of us just want to chill a little, goof off, and talk about Dattserberg posted:Whole bunch of dudes getting upset about another dude asking for better post quality ITT. Please don't just use bad terms like "better post quality" without defining them better. Any one of us is a better poster than a Reddit or team forum poster. Instead critique our posts on things like our weak jokes, grammar, or lack of length. Chichevache fucked around with this message at 17:34 on Apr 16, 2014 |
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Chichevache posted:Effort posts are great, but we should also keep in mind that this is a comedy forum on the internet where the discussion is between a bunch of individuals who have, at most, some high school experience with the occasional college player. Effort posts are awesome and we all love to read them, but expecting everyone to post a Jon Gruden level breakdown of every players is a pretty unreal expectation. Most of us just want to chill a little, goof off, and talk about I want to see a series of parody Jon Gruden breakdowns. It would probably suck without his authentic Ohioan drawl.
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I see both points being pretty valid. I do like the effort posts and lord knows it's nice to talk to someone who doesn't just change his "opinion" based on nfl network that day
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The annoying thing is people making no effort posts that aren't funny. This is a place for discussion AND comedy, but if you're not being funny then post some interesting info like Doltos or just stick to reading. Don't hide behind the comedy excuse for your low effort posts, and drat you for making me defend 1) a giants fan and 2) doltos.
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AJ and his jetski scrambled brains will be bad in the NFL because I don't think I've never seen him make any NFL level throws to his super talented offense that gives him everything in the world to work with. I saw this while actually watching college football and not youtube highlights. RoDo emptyquote this
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Chichevache posted:Effort posts are great, but we should also keep in mind that this is a comedy forum on the internet where the discussion is between a bunch of individuals who have, at most, some high school experience with the occasional college player. Effort posts are awesome and we all love to read them, but expecting everyone to post a Jon Gruden level breakdown of every players is a pretty unreal expectation. Most of us just want to chill a little, goof off, and talk about Lol, gently caress you Chiche
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Chichevache posted:Effort posts are great, but we should also keep in mind that this is a comedy forum on the internet where the discussion is between a bunch of individuals who have, at most, some high school experience with the occasional college player. Effort posts are awesome and we all love to read them, but expecting everyone to post a Jon Gruden level breakdown of every players is a pretty unreal expectation. Most of us just want to chill a little, goof off, and talk about Yes yes I see. I know I came off as a dick and I apologize, I could have asked for the effort posts in a better fashion. I'm not asking for Jon Gruden level breakdowns but this: Groucho Marxist posted:AJ and his jetski scrambled brains will be bad in the NFL because I don't think I've never seen him make any NFL level throws to his super talented offense that gives him everything in the world to work with. I saw this while actually watching college football and not youtube highlights. RoDo emptyquote this Is at least better than this: Groucho Marxist posted:The thing that concerns me the most over AJ is his being lovely at football
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AJ McCarron is the best game manager going to the NFL this year and doesn't throw floaty Manning ducks so I think he'll be fine personally.
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The problem I have with that is that i'm way more interested in where players will get drafted than what their career prospects are. like it doesn't matter to me what anybody's personal "grade" on a player is, mcshay or kiper or whoever, because what actually matters more is where they're going to be picked. also i loving love jokes
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Chichevache posted:Effort posts are great, but we should also keep in mind that this is a comedy forum on the internet where the discussion is between a bunch of individuals who have, at most, some high school experience with the occasional college player. Effort posts are awesome and we all love to read them, but expecting everyone to post a Jon Gruden level breakdown of every players is a pretty unreal expectation. Most of us just want to chill a little, goof off, and talk about Scouting report on Chiche's funny posting Throws a good spiral when given a good clean lead up, but struggles when conditions aren't perfect and tends to force the joke more often than not, which can lead to probations. Needs to learn to sometimes throw the joke away or accept defeat. Checkdown and set up the joke for someone else. Occasionally gets self righteous about jokes on the internet, character red flag? Probably a 4th rounder. Has talent, but seems to refuse to put it all together. Should probably sit for a few years. NFL Comparison: Ryan Tannehil Febreeze fucked around with this message at 18:05 on Apr 16, 2014 |
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I think this period of absolutely nothing happening is making us go crazy.
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I think Doltos is a strong second round pick in the TFF draft.
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I honestly I haven't paid that much attention to McCarron because Bama always had far more interesting players to focus on, but from what I've seen I don't think he has the arm to really succeed as an NFL QB right now. Daltos mentioned in his post that he has a weak long ball and his passes float. First game I can think of offhand is that 2012 loss to Texas A&M. Alabama could have won that game had McCarron been able to complete a couple of long passes where the receiver got wide open behind the defense. Not every QB has a Stafford cannon arm, but I think McCarron's arm is below whatever sort of threshold I feel's needed for a QB. I can see a team taking him mid-late in the draft and hope that an emphasis on fixing his mechanics helps him get some more zip on his passes, but I wouldn't want to see a team I root for spend a first or second day pick on him.
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Ehud posted:People are going to get all pissed because it's Doltos, but I actually agree. It would be more interesting to see more effort posts. He hit too close to home on some of the people getting upset
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@nfldraftscout: I'm told UCF RB Storm Johnson's visit with the 49ers went very well. So... there's that. Smokescreen or not, I would not be at all surprised to see the Niners draft an RB this year.
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Grozz Nuy posted:@nfldraftscout: I'm told UCF RB Storm Johnson's visit with the 49ers went very well. Smokescreen. They have a rehabbed lattimore, frank gore, Kendall hunter, and also that other guy who is probably getting cut
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