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triplexpac posted:I may be getting my stories confused, but I think the original plan was to have WCW on Mondays and WWF on Thursdays, completely splitting the brands and rosters. So they weren't going to do the "Invasion" storyline at all at first, which is why they did that soft run of "Nitro" as the main event. I think you are getting things mixed up. They did try to get WCW its own show before the invasion, but the invasion was already in progress by the time they did that match.
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Diabolik900 posted:I think you are getting things mixed up. They did try to get WCW its own show before the invasion, but the invasion was already in progress by the time they did that match. Well see at the point of that match they still had the belief that even if they couldn't get WCW its own timeslot, they could still just give it one of the shows in a forerunner to the brand extension. That match killed that idea dead, and the entire angle shifted to become what it did.
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Chris Benoit should have come on mic and said "Last I remembered when I left wcw that belt belonged to me" and main event be him and Booker. If they wanted wcw to have its own show they needed to give that brand back the good people they'd picked off like Jericho and Guerrero and Big Show and let them use the heat they'd earned in wwe already.
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greatn posted:Chris Benoit should have come on mic and said "Last I remembered when I left wcw that belt belonged to me" and main event be him and Booker. If they wanted wcw to have its own show they needed to give that brand back the good people they'd picked off like Jericho and Guerrero and Big Show and let them use the heat they'd earned in wwe already. I remember being curious going into KOTR 2001, where I was wondering if Benoit/Jericho would get involved with WCW somehow.
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greatn posted:Chris Benoit should have come on mic and said "Last I remembered when I left wcw that belt belonged to me" and main event be him and Booker. If they wanted wcw to have its own show they needed to give that brand back the good people they'd picked off like Jericho and Guerrero and Big Show and let them use the heat they'd earned in wwe already. Yes he should, you know other than him being out having neck surgery at the time.
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Skinty McEdger posted:Yes he should, you know other than him being out having neck surgery at the time. Well maybe if he skipped his surgery and exacerbated a career threatening injury, his family would still be alive today.
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greatn posted:Well maybe if he skipped his surgery and exacerbated a career threatening injury, his family would still be alive today. No question, since Benoit wouldn't be able to get out of his wheelchair.
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Justin Godscock posted:No question, since Benoit wouldn't be able to get out of his wheelchair. I dunno man, Benoit had a really 'could-do' attitude. I mean he'd still have his teeth.
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Chris Jericho would've been a great guy to match up with Booker T. Or better yet they could've just brought all those guys into the main roster instead of soft launching Nitro during a Raw main event. I think it was pretty clear WCW was never getting another tv deal - wasn't the threat of losing access to Turner channels the reason why Bischoff's attempted buyout via Fusient failed?
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Justin Godscock posted:No question, since Benoit wouldn't be able to get out of his wheelchair. Benoit would start doing german suplexes with his teeth.
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1st AD posted:I think it was pretty clear WCW was never getting another tv deal - wasn't the threat of losing access to Turner channels the reason why Bischoff's attempted buyout via Fusient failed? I think the reasoning at the time was that, sure, WCW itself might not have been able to get back on TV, but WCW with VINCE McMAHON behind it would. What network would turn down the genius of Vince??
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triplexpac posted:I think the reasoning at the time was that, sure, WCW itself might not have been able to get back on TV, but WCW with VINCE McMAHON behind it would. What network would turn down the genius of Vince?? The same network who would throw money at Dixie Carter months later.
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ayn rand hand job posted:The same network who would throw money at Dixie Carter months later. There were several years between TNA's inception and Dixie taking control.
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1st AD posted:Ah I misremembered then, but poo poo that is a dire loving main event to be putting on with dudes who aren't even over. I think they must've had the idea of doing a soft WCW reboot on Raw, but without a Sting or Goldberg I have no idea how that possibly would've worked. It was probably one year later, since that's when Booker joined, then was kicked out of the NWO. It didn't really have a pay-off, since the WWE NWO kind of quietly disbanded after Nash severed all of his leg muscles getting out of bed, but it was only "burying" in the sense that it turned him babyface, where he got a pretty considerable push. Stallion Cabana posted:I dunno man, Benoit had a really 'could-do' attitude. Didn't he lose his teeth first? I remember a "Toothless Aggression" Benoit shirt.
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MassRafTer posted:American Males was such a terrible theme. American Males is unironically one of the greatest wrestling themes of all time. Also, charging $45 for a collection of stock music is very meta-WCW.
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Maxwell Lord posted:There were several years between TNA's inception and Dixie taking control. Actually, Panda bought TNA in October of 2002 although it was several years before they ended up on Spike. Thauros fucked around with this message at 20:35 on Apr 8, 2014 |
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1st AD posted:Chris Jericho would've been a great guy to match up with Booker T. Or better yet they could've just brought all those guys into the main roster instead of soft launching Nitro during a Raw main event. I think it was pretty clear WCW was never getting another tv deal - wasn't the threat of losing access to Turner channels the reason why Bischoff's attempted buyout via Fusient failed? You gotta understand, they totally intended to get a Nitro show running, hell Vince was ready to sacrifice RAW to be the Nitro show and move the WWF wrestlers to Smackdown. What brand warfare wound up being (though very muted and lame) was entirely what was planned for WCW. Their own TV show, cross battles with the WWF roster, They were willing to give up Raw for the story. As with many things in life, there was no singular problem with the Invasion, everything that could have gone wrong did. Up to and including the WWF guys essentially saying "Nope, not putting over those fuckers, they tried to put us out of business and we were loyal"
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Spike was initially open to giving Nitro a 1 hour slot Saturday nights at 11. Not exactly a great one. In other Nitro news... Tonight we have two special Nitros that are only an hour long! The NBA Playoffs are intruding on our sacred wrestling show, moving Nitro an hour earlier and forcing it to be an hour shorter! So if you go to bed early and have to miss Nitro normally these are the shows for you! Tonight you'll get: Lots of hot hot JJ Dillon action! Nick Patrick! Rey vs Syxx Lizmark Jr. vs Glacier Meng vs Regal Harlem Heat vs Giant and Luger AND SO MUCH MORE! In episode two you'll get... Juvi vs Dragon for the TV title MONGO VS MALENKO Konnan and Hugh Morrus vs ICE TRAIN AND ALEX WRIGHT THE TAG TEAM OF THE CENTURY!!!!!!! plus probably Sting and some stuff. So with only two hours of Nitro don't think we're going to cut off our programming early! We can't show three Nitros because episode two is the Slamboree go home show, so instead we will be showing... MCKENZIE'S ISLAND starring HULK HOGAN and GRACE JONES. I had no idea this movie existed until last week. 8 PM for Nitro! http://www.psp-tv.com/r/BadMoviesWorseWrestling 7:30 for Cowboy Who? and probably 9:30 for another movie with Hulk Hogan on an island!
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MassRafTer posted:MCKENZIE'S ISLAND starring HULK HOGAN and GRACE JONES. I had no idea this movie existed until last week. McCinsey* It apparently involves a turtle with a treasure map.
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McCinsey's Island has an all-star cast. Paul Wight - Little Snowflake (as Paul White) Ed Leslie - Jet Skier 1 (as Leslie Edwards)
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Words can not express the pure genius that was "McCinsey's Island", but I will try. Hulk Hogan delivered a truly explosive performance. Robert Vaughn is a wizard. Grace Jones Tiger Cubs parrot bird *slide whistle*seed raccoon ed lesliebrutus beefcake Giant. Piccolo.
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MassRafTer posted:Spike was initially open to giving Nitro a 1 hour slot Saturday nights at 11. Not exactly a great one. I remember this! wwf.com even had a poll asking what WCW Saturday show should be called.
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They already planned a TV taping too: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ZtdvMokX4Y
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What is it with Hulk Hogan and jet skis?
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TONIGHT at 8 PM: WCW SLAMBOREE 1997! So you say you like great matches? Then tune in for ULTIMO DRAGON VS STEVE REGAL! This match was extremely well loved at the time, and I think it might be the second best WCW match of 1997. So you say you want to watch really lovely matches? MONGO VS REGGIE WHITE IS ALSO ON THIS SHOW! It's going to be great. Elswhere on the card: Jeff Jarrett vs Dean Malenko for the US title Madusa vs Luna Vachon for the Bobby Heenan gets to be happy for a few minutes and talk about old timers he has fond memories of title. Glacier vs Mortis Rey Mysterio Jr vs Yuji Yasuraoka Meng vs Chris Benoit in a Tongan Death Match The Steiners vs Hugh Morrus and Konnan AND YOUR MAIN EVENT: Ric Flair, Roddy Piper and Kevin Greene vs Kevin Nash, Scott Hall and Syxx http://www.psp-tv.com/r/BadMoviesWorseWrestling Tune in at 7:30 for Cowboy Who? 8 PM for SLAMBOREE and at 11 we might watch TNA.
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Tonight will feature Warrior in WCW clips in between the PPV segments, so enjoy!
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What exactly was the reasoning behind WCW signing Tank Abbot? Were they trying to have their own less roidy/fatter/worse performing Ken Shamrock?
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1st AD posted:What exactly was the reasoning behind WCW signing Tank Abbot? Were they trying to have their own less roidy/fatter/worse performing Ken Shamrock? Tank had a ton of charisma and was one of UFC's most popular stars in 1996 when they were doing killer business. They went after Frye at first (as early as January of 97) and tried again before he joined NJPW but that didn't work out, possibly because the Cat talked a bunch of poo poo to him and Frye told him he'd be destroyed in a real fight (this happened in Bischoff office.) I think they had an offer out to Shamrock in 97 too, not sure about that. So they wanted a shoot fighter, probably for good reason. Part of Goldberg's initial mystique is they tried to give him elements of a shoot fighter with the gloves and some leg locks. Tank seemed kind of ideal for wrestling, but for other reasons obviously wasn't.
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1st AD posted:What exactly was the reasoning behind WCW signing Tank Abbot? Were they trying to have their own less roidy/fatter/worse performing Ken Shamrock? He proclaimed himself to be the original Huntington Beach Bad Boy.
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MassRafTer posted:I think they had an offer out to Shamrock in 97 too, not sure about that. They had made an approach to Shamrock, but there was a combination of them being in talks with someone he didn't like (could be Frye I guess) and Vince and Bret doing the hard sell to him that made him choose WWF. Reading between the lines in Shamrocks shoot interviews, I don't think he particularly liked the impression that WCW considered him to be just one of a number of guys they were looking for, whereas Vince convinced him he was the only one they wanted. Also he didn't want to go to the power plant.
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Skinty McEdger posted:They had made an approach to Shamrock, but there was a combination of them being in talks with someone he didn't like (could be Frye I guess) and Vince and Bret doing the hard sell to him that made him choose WWF. Reading between the lines in Shamrocks shoot interviews, I don't think he particularly liked the impression that WCW considered him to be just one of a number of guys they were looking for, whereas Vince convinced him he was the only one they wanted. It's so very WCW that they would want a veteran wrestler to go to the Power Plant. I mean I guess it might make sense to get some rust off, but it is more likely they didn't know.
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MassRafTer posted:It's so very WCW that they would want a veteran wrestler to go to the Power Plant. I mean I guess it might make sense to get some rust off, but it is more likely they didn't know. But it is WCW we are talking about and they didn't know their rear end from their elbow half the time.
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Is it really so different from WWE sending (almost) everyone to developmental? Well, besides the Power Plant supposedly being terrible.
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Diabolik900 posted:Is it really so different from WWE sending (almost) everyone to developmental? Well, besides the Power Plant supposedly being terrible.
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Endorph posted:Back in the Attitude Era, they didn't send everyone to Developmental, did they? If you had a lot of prior experience, they usually put you on the main show immediately because they had a war to win. The idea of telling Sean Waltman, post-WCW, that his ringwork needed fine tuning is laughable, but nowadays it might have happened. That said, I think it was smart for Danielson to do a stint there politically speaking because it showed the kind of humility WWE likes.
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Endorph posted:Back in the Attitude Era, they didn't send everyone to Developmental, did they? if anything WWF would send guys to ECW or similar smaller territories to tune their gimmick/workstyle.
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The only guy I can immediately think of with a decent amount of name recognition who spent a decent amount of time in developmental was Regal and that was more than likely due to his past personal issues.
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Fauxhawk Express posted:The only guy I can immediately think of with a decent amount of name recognition who spent a decent amount of time in developmental was Regal and that was more than likely due to his past personal issues. The first part of Jericho's second book was pretty much all about his debut in WWE and the heat and issues with adjusting to their style that he had. WWE style isn't just a 'wrestling style" but it's an attitude and a promo style that the audiences have been conditioned to expect. Some wrestlers can do any style but it's a good idea to spend some time in developmental anyway to learn the packaging.
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Before OVW got established as the WWE development place in like 1998, WWE had loose agreements with promotions in Memphis and Puerto Rico (cannot recall the names, just where they were) where they would toss people who had to shake off rust or gotten out of shape. If someone new was able to wrestle and looked good on TV they were tossed into the main roster and it was sink or swim. Jericho and Waltman got this treatment as they were fresh from WCW.
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Justin Godscock posted:Before OVW got established as the WWE development place in like 1998, WWE had loose agreements with promotions in Memphis and Puerto Rico (cannot recall the names, just where they were) where they would toss people who had to shake off rust or gotten out of shape. If someone new was able to wrestle and looked good on TV they were tossed into the main roster and it was sink or swim. Jericho and Waltman got this treatment as they were fresh from WCW. USWA and IWA.
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