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More fun with Google Maps localizations: maps.google.com:  maps.google.ru: 
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I'm bit dissapointed that Balkan versions don't use Greater Serbia etc. versions.
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Apr 16, 2014 22:49
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Darth Various posted:Today in Excellent Choices in Colour Scales: IIRC that map was actually part of a larger collection of similar maps which all had the same color scale. I saw it in an RSS feed this morning but can't remember from where. edit:Found it   
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Apr 16, 2014 23:14
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Egypt is totally conservative about everything else, but is totally liberal about divorce?
Lycus fucked around with this message at 23:39 on Apr 16, 2014 |
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Apr 16, 2014 23:37
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Lycus posted:Egypt is totally conservative about everything else, but is totally liberal about divorce?
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Apr 16, 2014 23:55
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A Buttery Pastry posted:The Qur'an explicitly describes the grounds for which a divorce is allowed, so there's really no conflict as far as I can tell. As does the catholic church, actually. For instance, a marriage may be divorced (read: was invalid all along) if one partner didn't mention beforehand that he is infertile. 
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Apr 16, 2014 23:59
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Honj Steak posted:As does the catholic church, actually. For instance, a marriage may be divorced (read: was invalid all along) if one partner didn't mention beforehand that he is infertile. I thought that a marriage being declared not valid all along was an annulment, not a divorce.
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Apr 17, 2014 00:06
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Pakled posted:I thought that a marriage being declared not valid all along was an annulment, not a divorce. Yep that's probably the correct expression, my bad.
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Apr 17, 2014 00:08
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Honj Steak posted:As does the catholic church, actually. For instance, a marriage may be divorced (read: was invalid all along) if one partner didn't mention beforehand that he is infertile.
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Apr 17, 2014 00:14
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Count Roland posted:I was thinking about the situation in Ukraine, and I got to wondering about expanding borders. Russia annexed Crimea as we all know, and either has already or will officially make it part of Russian territory. German reunification in 1990, and, uh, I think Yemeni reunification in the '90s, too? esquilax posted:Turkey in Cyprus in '74 is a pretty analogous case to Russia in Crimea, though northern Cyprus is only Turkish-occupied instead of "officially" part of Turkey. I wouldn't say it's analogous. Cyprus was its own thing until Greece started pushing for 'enosis'. Crimea's been part of Ukraine since the '50s.
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Apr 17, 2014 09:03
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4kgst9GR8k
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Apr 17, 2014 10:32
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In some muslim countries, like Egypt, they have TIMED marriages to avoid the whole adultery thing. Abdullah you and Fatima are now married!. Congratulations. By the way it only lasts until dawn, have fun.
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Apr 17, 2014 10:39
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the jizz taxi posted:German reunification in 1990, and, uh, I think Yemeni reunification in the '90s, too? Northern Cyprus had been a part of Cyprus for most of recorded history. Cyprus had been a sovereign for 14 years vs 23 for Ukraine. Turkey invaded due to an ostensibly illegitimate change in leadership that was going to disadvantage the Turkish ethnic group. That invasion was widely condemned by the international community but didn't cause major armed conflict. All historical events are unique, but it had more in common with Russia in Crimea than either do to any other event in recent history.
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Apr 17, 2014 12:52
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"Ostensibly" illegitimate? The government of Cyprus was overthrown in a coup by pro-annexation militia under the orders of the military dictatorship ruling Greece at the time. It was blatantly illegitimate. The world mostly supported Turkey's original invasion (until it became clear that Turkey wasn't interested in restoring the pre-coup government like they claimed, instead taking as much lf the island as possible for the Turks), it's really not like the situation in Crimea at all.
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Apr 17, 2014 13:14
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VitalSigns posted:"Ostensibly" illegitimate? The government of Cyprus was overthrown in a coup by pro-annexation militia under the orders of the military dictatorship ruling Greece at the time. It was blatantly illegitimate. I'm sorry that you don't see any similarities between two situations in which an established nation-state invades a relatively new one to protect its ethnic minorities in that state but ends up controlling a portion of the territory despite the wishes of the international community.
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Apr 17, 2014 13:40
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The situation with Russia is a lot more complex though. Crimea was a part of Russia long before it was a part of Ukraine. The Crimean Khanate was annexed into Russia in 1783 and Khrushchev gave it to Ukraine in 1954. The Crimean people were overwhelmingly in favor of being a part of Russia as opposed to being under Ukrainian control. 171 years of inundation with Russian culture and emigration gives a good reason for why Russia would want to take it back, as well as why Crimea should be allowed to secede from Ukraine and join the country they wish to. It doesn't matter what country it is, the Crimean people have the right to determine who they want to be ruled by (either self rule or rule under another country's government). Forcing a group of people to stay where they don't want to be doesn't ever work out so well. There's always a lot of trouble down the line when you try to do that.
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Apr 17, 2014 15:18
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HonorableTB posted:The situation with Russia is a lot more complex though. Crimea was a part of Russia long before it was a part of Ukraine. The Crimean Khanate was annexed into Russia in 1783 and Khrushchev gave it to Ukraine in 1954. The Crimean people were overwhelmingly in favor of being a part of Russia as opposed to being under Ukrainian control. 171 years of inundation with Russian culture and emigration gives a good reason for why Russia would want to take it back, as well as why Crimea should be allowed to secede from Ukraine and join the country they wish to. It doesn't matter what country it is, the Crimean people have the right to determine who they want to be ruled by (either self rule or rule under another country's government). Forcing a group of people to stay where they don't want to be doesn't ever work out so well. There's always a lot of trouble down the line when you try to do that. Do you really believe that they had honest referendum about joining Russia?
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Apr 17, 2014 15:34
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Hogge Wild posted:Do you really believe that they had honest referendum about joining Russia? Honest or not, that's the way the vote went. Unless someone can prove the results of the vote were illegitimate, then it has to stand. If you can't prove election fraud, how can it be invalidated? Saying the election isn't valid because people don't like the results of it doesn't make it so. I'm more inclined to believe the results were in favor of Russia (though I also believe the election itself had the numbers skewed) because ethnically Russian Crimeans have been agitating against the Ukrainian government for decades. Edit: Crimea's population is 58% ethnically Russians or Russians that immigrated there (either by choice or through Soviet deportation in the 30s/40s), which adds to my belief.
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Apr 17, 2014 15:45
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Riso posted:In some muslim countries, like Egypt, they have TIMED marriages to avoid the whole adultery thing. Iran legitimizes prostitution with the Shi'a legal fiction of temporary marriages. Their jurisprudence is fascinating, if you're interested in law.
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Apr 17, 2014 15:47
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HonorableTB posted:Honest or not, that's the way the vote went. Unless someone can prove the results of the vote were illegitimate, then it has to stand. If you can't prove election fraud, how can it be invalidated? Saying the election isn't valid because people don't like the results of it doesn't make it so. I'm more inclined to believe the results were in favor of Russia (though I also believe the election itself had the numbers skewed) because ethnically Russian Crimeans have been agitating against the Ukrainian government for decades. Legality has nothing to do with it. The result stands because Putin wants it to.
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Apr 17, 2014 15:48
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TheImmigrant posted:Iran legitimizes prostitution with the Shi'a legal fiction of temporary marriages. Their jurisprudence is fascinating, if you're interested in law. Are there notaries in brothels issuing marriage licenses, or how does it work?
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Apr 17, 2014 15:51
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Hogge Wild posted:Are there notaries in brothels issuing marriage licenses, or how does it work? Presumably marriage is a verbal contract.
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Apr 17, 2014 15:54
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HonorableTB posted:Honest or not, that's the way the vote went. Unless someone can prove the results of the vote were illegitimate, then it has to stand. If you can't prove election fraud, how can it be invalidated? Saying the election isn't valid because people don't like the results of it doesn't make it so. I'm more inclined to believe the results were in favor of Russia (though I also believe the election itself had the numbers skewed) because ethnically Russian Crimeans have been agitating against the Ukrainian government for decades. What the hell is this? Even if you ignore the Russian troops on the streets, the fact that the pro-Russian side had total control of local media and all of the blatant manipulation and intimidation going on, there's still the tiny detail that the only choice was between independence and de facto independence. It wasn't a legitimate referendum by any stretch of the imagination. Note that I'm fairly sure most Crimeans really did want to secede, but that 'referendum' was meaningless.
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Apr 17, 2014 15:56
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HonorableTB posted:Honest or not, that's the way the vote went. Unless someone can prove the results of the vote were illegitimate, then it has to stand. If you can't prove election fraud, how can it be invalidated? Saying the election isn't valid because people don't like the results of it doesn't make it so. I'm more inclined to believe the results were in favor of Russia (though I also believe the election itself had the numbers skewed) because ethnically Russian Crimeans have been agitating against the Ukrainian government for decades. The referendum was in blatant violation of the Constitution, so no, it doesn't have to stand just because it sort of happened.
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Apr 17, 2014 16:15
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Are you Russian, HonorableTB?
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Apr 17, 2014 16:25
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I will try to hit two stones with one bird. [On] 16th of March we choose ... or ...
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Apr 17, 2014 16:31
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HonorableTB posted:Honest or not, that's the way the vote went. Unless someone can prove the results of the vote were illegitimate, then it has to stand. If you can't prove election fraud, how can it be invalidated? Saying the election isn't valid because people don't like the results of it doesn't make it so. I'm more inclined to believe the results were in favor of Russia (though I also believe the election itself had the numbers skewed) because ethnically Russian Crimeans have been agitating against the Ukrainian government for decades. I agree, if the international community wanted to say the referendum was illegitimate or that fraud occurred they should really have sent some observers in or something. Anyway, have a map:  The Indo-Gangetic plain stretching along the top from Pakistan to Bangladesh contains 1/7th of the world's population. I can't find a scale, but even the light areas are pretty densely populated. XMNN fucked around with this message at 17:07 on Apr 17, 2014 |
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Apr 17, 2014 17:04
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XMNN posted:I agree, if the international community wanted to say the referendum was illegitimate or that fraud occurred they should really have sent some observers in or something. Any idea about the green stuff?
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Apr 17, 2014 17:38
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XMNN posted:I agree, if the international community wanted to say the referendum was illegitimate or that fraud occurred they should really have sent some observers in or something. Well, they allowed in observers. Not the UN or whatever, but Russian and EU hard right wingers. I'm sure they're impartial.
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Apr 17, 2014 17:39
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And of course all that dense red area by the sea is very low and will be nicely ruined by a slight sea-level change. But I'm sure India can just import food and move those people.
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Apr 17, 2014 17:41
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Kennel posted:Any idea about the green stuff? The one in the west is the Rann of Kutch, a huge salt marsh, which might not have a permanent population and is apparently sometimes entirely submerged. I suspect the areas on the Ganges delta are similar. I don't actually know, though. Whilst looking for the original source of that map to find out, I found this huge gallery of population density maps for the entire world, for all you map fans. XMNN fucked around with this message at 18:55 on Apr 17, 2014 |
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Apr 17, 2014 18:15
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XMNN posted:I agree, if the international community wanted to say the referendum was illegitimate or that fraud occurred they should really have sent some observers in or something. Russia didn't want that, they had their own international committee of neo-nazi's and Russians.
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Apr 17, 2014 19:11
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I'm not Russian, I just think that the international community had plenty of opportunities to stop a so-called illegal vote from happening. They did nothing when they had the chance to influence things their way, but they neglected to do so and are now crying foul when things didn't go the way the West wanted them to go.
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Apr 17, 2014 19:17
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HonorableTB posted:I'm not Russian, I just think that the international community had plenty of opportunities to stop a so-called illegal vote from happening. They did nothing when they had the chance to influence things their way, but they neglected to do so and are now crying foul when things didn't go the way the West wanted them to go. What opportunity did the west have besides going "no don't"?
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Apr 17, 2014 19:22
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HonorableTB posted:I'm not Russian, I just think that the international community had plenty of opportunities to stop a so-called illegal vote from happening. They did nothing when they had the chance to influence things their way, but they neglected to do so and are now crying foul when things didn't go the way the West wanted them to go. So, kind of like Putin didn't act when Yanukovich was on the brink of losing power so he cried Nazi and has ever since been systematically destabilizing and pulling apart Ukraine. How would the "international community" have stopped the vote or influenced it their way? There were Russian troops on every street corner, should the US and Germany have sent our troops to Crimea to protect the "fairness" of the vote? Would that have been better? Of course not. And as Phlegmish just said, the referendum was between two equivalent options anyway. Why are you bothering to make this needlessly contrarian point? Sure we can't prove that the pig circus election wasn't rigged, even if it wasn't, what does that actually change? You can't consider an election legitamite when the voters had a metaphorical gun to their heads and only one option to pick, even in the scenario that it was nominally a fair election.
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Apr 17, 2014 19:27
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XMNN posted:The one in the west is the Rann of Kutch, a huge salt marsh, which might not have a permanent population and is apparently sometimes entirely submerged. I suspect the areas on the Ganges delta are similar. I don't actually know, though. The unpopulated parts of the Ganges delta are the Sundarbans, which are part of a national park.
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Apr 17, 2014 19:28
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Kosovo was an illegal vote, with a questionable quick recognition by third parties, while under the military "protection" of said third parties. It's a legal mess just like the Crimea.
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Apr 17, 2014 19:30
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HonorableTB posted:I'm not Russian, I just think that the international community had plenty of opportunities to stop a so-called illegal vote from happening. They did nothing when they had the chance to influence things their way, but they neglected to do so and are now crying foul when things didn't go the way the West wanted them to go. You are aware that armed men repeatedly turned back observers as they tried to enter the Crimea, aren't you?
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Apr 17, 2014 19:31
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More maps. Maybe not quite a map, Britain holding it's colonies.  More ww1 propaganda maps.   A map of Europe soon before the end of ww1. I find this one interesting because you can see where the stab-in-the-back myth comes from.  If the world was divided into regions with about the same population. It almost looks like a Europa Universalis Multiplayer session to me.  I'm pretty sure the origin for this map is German propaganda from the second world war.  The siege of Constantinople, now called Istanbul. Somewhat relevant because of the Golden Dawn in Greece.  The Empire of Japan. 
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lullelulle posted:More maps. I can't tell if you're joking or not, but I doubt WWII Germany would have made a map that split out Austria, split up Yugoslavia, or predicted Kaliningrad so accutately.
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