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Isn't increasing the car registration by $40 kind of regressive too? If you're driving a $1000 car and scraping by, that's a huge increase.
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mod sassinator posted:Isn't increasing the car registration by $40 kind of regressive too? If you're driving a $1000 car and scraping by, that's a huge increase. However, one of the first (and most popular) Tim Eyman initiatives was killing the progressive excise tax on cars (i.e. a percentage based on the value of the car) and replacing it with a flat tab fee. It hosed Metro out of about a third of their funding, and completely screwed the DoL. So, it's not something anyone is really willing to push for a return to, unfortunately. Instead, we get stuck with this hella lovely compromise.
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Apr 16, 2014 19:04
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It's the only eyeman initiative that I ever liked. The prices for tabs were loving insane before they changed the law. Unfortunately it was myopic enough that it didn't bother finding a better way to provide similar funding to the areas it was eventually pulled from.
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Apr 16, 2014 19:14
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We need a progressive version of tim eyman. Flat $30 car tabs! Complete elimination of state sales tax! instates an income tax to remain revenue neutral. edit: All tax cuts require a 2/3rd majority vote.
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Apr 16, 2014 19:16
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Dusseldorf posted:The poors will literally take the light rail to your home, steal your tv and xbox, and take those home with them on light rail. Ah yes the light rail from Lynnwood that won't be completed until 2021...
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Apr 16, 2014 19:17
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seiferguy posted:Ah yes the light rail from Lynnwood that won't be completed until 2021... Hey, its 2014. A meer 7 years until Bellevue is over run by "the poors"
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Apr 16, 2014 19:23
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Heh, the cover story in The Stranger this week is "What's Wrong with the SPD: The Right-Wing Cop Union and its Pet Mayor." Looking forward to reading it. 
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Apr 16, 2014 21:17
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Anyone know what ever happened with the florist who refused to serve the gay wedding? It was supposed to be the exemplar anti-discrimination lawsuit but I haven't heard a thing about it after the AG sent the business a letter.
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Fuzzy Mammal posted:Anyone know what ever happened with the florist who refused to serve the gay wedding? It was supposed to be the exemplar anti-discrimination lawsuit but I haven't heard a thing about it after the AG sent the business a letter. Arlene's Flowers & Gifts owner Barronelle Stutzman made the regular run on the 700 Club six months ago and is currently counter-suing the state government. mod sassinator posted:Isn't increasing the car registration by $40 kind of regressive too? If you're driving a $1000 car and scraping by, that's a huge increase. There are income-dependant refunds for families in actual poverty and not want-to-pay-less-taxes poverty. And honestly if an extra $5 a month for a car was back-breaking then they wouldn't be able to afford the car in the first place. But yes, Washington is a regressive as hell state for the poor and my gut feeling based on yard signs in the Seattle area* is a 65-35 failure for bus funding. *i.e. worthless opinion
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Thanatosian posted:Heh, the cover story in The Stranger this week is "What's Wrong with the SPD: The Right-Wing Cop Union and its Pet Mayor." That's every police dept around the world.
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Apr 16, 2014 23:21
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effectual posted:That's every police dept around the world. Very true, and it's an enduring problem. The public has to have a way to defend itself from these right-wing cop unions that are actively sabotaging any attempts at reform and burying anyone that gets in their way: http://www.thestranger.com/seattle/reform-in-reverse/Content?oid=19281433
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Apr 16, 2014 23:48
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You'd think that right-wing unions would be a problem that solves itself, but here we are... 
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the only good union is my union
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Party in the UAE posted:the only good union is my union More like the only good union is one that isn't completely corrupt and taking the law into its own hands while committing massive cover-ups.
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I'd also add the California Correctional Peace Officers Association to the list of bad unions, given that they're involved in a lot of the lobbying for 'tough on crime' measures in California to drum up more business.
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Kaal posted:Very true, and it's an enduring problem. The public has to have a way to defend itself from these right-wing cop unions that are actively sabotaging any attempts at reform and burying anyone that gets in their way: http://www.thestranger.com/seattle/reform-in-reverse/Content?oid=19281433 Oof, I read that and it does not paint a rosy picture for Seattle's future. I already knew Murray was bad news when the Seattle Times started endorsing him and doing daily hit pieces on McGinn. Also today they had a slobberjob farewell article about Rodney Tom. What a lovely rag.
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effectual posted:Oof, I read that and it does not paint a rosy picture for Seattle's future. I already knew Murray was bad news when the Seattle Times started endorsing him and doing daily hit pieces on McGinn. Also today they had a slobberjob farewell article about Rodney Tom. What a lovely rag. And honestly, as far as the Murray/McGinn thing goes, it's largely "meet the new boss, same as the old boss;" doubly so when it comes to the police. Which is to say they're both loving awful, but who the gently caress else were we going to elect? Nobody running took a "tough on police corruption" stance.
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Ratoslov posted:I'd also add the California Correctional Peace Officers Association to the list of bad unions, given that they're involved in a lot of the lobbying for 'tough on crime' measures in California to drum up more business. http://www.economist.com/node/15580530 quote:As president of California's prison-guards' association from 1982 to 2002, Mr Novey turned that union into the most powerful in the state. On his watch, California built 21 new prisons. Mr Novey's organisation also sponsored or supported tough laws that helped to fill those prisons to almost twice their capacity at times. It helped elect two Republican governors and one Democratic one, besides countless state legislators. “We sent candidates 13 questions,” he happily recalls, ranging from their stance on the death penalty to labour issues.
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Seattle Socialist City Council Member! Kshama Sawant has responded back to one of the businesses that has been criticizing her. By the way, I work in downtown Seattle and I actually see her having little informal business meetings in coffee shops all the time. She was in the pioneer square cafe vita just the other day :3 She took off running to her next meeting on foot with a backpack. It was adorable. I voted for her yall! http://www.thestranger.com/seattle/council-member-kshama-sawant-replies-to-small-business-owner-mike-klotz/Content?oid=19287686 quote:
AKA - gently caress off about how much the wage increase would make prices jump to astronomical prices in your imaginary math world. FFS.
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Tigntink posted:I voted for her yall! OMG me too  
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SedanChair posted:OMG me too You guys should think about getting involved with Socialist Alternative if you're happy with what shes doing, I've talked with a member down in Olympia for a while and actually ended up joining up. There's supposed to be a fairly large conference in Seattle this month, the weekend of of the 26th with saturday focusing mainly on the 15 now stuff and sunday being sort of an international meet up thats supposed to have a lot of interesting information.
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seiferguy posted:I haven't seen any polls on how Prop. 1 will turn out. I've read enough editorials that most news sites (minus The Stranger) give pretty FYGM reasons for why you should vote no. Essentially "sorry poor people, but you should just get a car instead" and no one really thinks about how many cars it would add to Seattle's already-awful congestion. Sadly I live on the edge of Snohomish next to King so I can't vote on it Everyone seems to be buying into Metro having more fat to trim, being horribly mismanaged and the route updates being fear-mongering to get what they want. Like everything on reddit, the tools in the Seattle subreddit have it all figured out. If only they would run leaner we wouldn't have this problem!!!!11
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Raymn posted:Everyone seems to be buying into Metro having more fat to trim, being horribly mismanaged and the route updates being fear-mongering to get what they want. Like everything on reddit, the tools in the Seattle subreddit have it all figured out. The worst thing is I do know some parts of KCM that really do suck but fixing those things definitely aren't even a .01% blip on the budget radar. I do know bus drivers who've had hours that are all sorts of crazy and I've already had my bus route "trimmed" by removing every other stop and cutting some of the routes. My bus lines are all now literally standing room only every time they run with people almost being left behind on an every 20 minute commuter bus.
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Reason posted:You guys should think about getting involved with Socialist Alternative if you're happy with what shes doing, I've talked with a member down in Olympia for a while and actually ended up joining up. There's supposed to be a fairly large conference in Seattle this month, the weekend of of the 26th with saturday focusing mainly on the 15 now stuff and sunday being sort of an international meet up thats supposed to have a lot of interesting information. Do they support wacky anti-science stuff aka anti-vax/anti-nuke/anti-GMO? Not in the "we don't trust private corps not to abuse this stuff" way but in the "we believe wacky poo poo about atoms/genes/etc" way? If not, I might have to look them up. I'd love to support a good pro-labor/progressive group but I keep running into anti-science nutballs and it drives me crazy.
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Reason posted:You guys should think about getting involved with Socialist Alternative if you're happy with what shes doing, I've talked with a member down in Olympia for a while and actually ended up joining up. There's supposed to be a fairly large conference in Seattle this month, the weekend of of the 26th with saturday focusing mainly on the 15 now stuff and sunday being sort of an international meet up thats supposed to have a lot of interesting information. Planning on being there. Socialist isn't nearly as bad of a word it used to be. Next time someone who is a self identified leftist independent goes yabbering, call them a socialist, or Canadian, which whichever will get you more traction.
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Solkanar512 posted:Do they support wacky anti-science stuff aka anti-vax/anti-nuke/anti-GMO? Not in the "we don't trust private corps not to abuse this stuff" way but in the "we believe wacky poo poo about atoms/genes/etc" way? I guess if they do, it'd be our job to go and yell at them about getting their priorities straight.
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First off, if you want an entertaining look at Oregon (as well as some other Northwest) historical topics the Kick-rear end Oregon History podcast from ORHistory.com is fantastic. They cover topics like DB Cooper, the ghosts of Portland sex workers, and Japanese fire bombing attempts during WWII. Beowulfs_Ghost posted:If you're just interested in moving stuff between Seattle, Portland, and on south, 205 is already the better option, because it bypasses Vancouver and the more congested areas of Portland completely. I had a long reply about how 205 isn't really less congested then 5, and is also 10 miles longer, but the new Something app doesn't seem to save replies. Anyway, the gist was, a lot of the FYGMers live east of I-205, which causes issues. And as somebody who drives too loving much, traffic here isn't really that bad.
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highme posted:I had a long reply about how 205 isn't really less congested then 5, and is also 10 miles longer, but the new Something app doesn't seem to save replies. It was in the context of trucking companies moving stuff up and down the I-5 corridor. And the FYGM sort of plays into that because shipping companies have been picking up cheap properties out that way. FedEx Ground recently built a new hub to serve the Portland area, and built it out in Troutdale.
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I voted for the new bridge, and I live in Vancouver. I hate the people that voted against it
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My favorite way to travel between Washington and Oregon is on the Snake river.  Seriously, if you haven't visited the Hells Canyon part of Washington/Oregon/Idaho, plan a visit for this summer when the weather is beautiful. You will be amazed what kind of landscape you can find in the PNW. The canyon is actually deeper than the grand canyon too! (although it's not as wide or 'grand' looking). Some pics when I went in 2010:   Last one is showing the preferred mode of transport in the PNW. If you have a car that you aren't afraid to take a little off road onto fire roads & light trails, there are some amazing camp sites in the cascades. mod sassinator fucked around with this message at 21:56 on Apr 17, 2014 |
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Beowulfs_Ghost posted:It was in the context of trucking companies moving stuff up and down the I-5 corridor. I know. I was just saying that 205 isn't a free flowing alternative. It's a fairly moot point though. Big shipping companies (especially FedEx & UPS) have complex GIS/Routing software systems in place to reduce costs related to travel time & fuel usage. So they'll take whatever route through Portland is best at that time.
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mod sassinator posted:Last one is showing the preferred mode of transport in the PNW. To commute on the 405 and buy coffee at the drive-thru.
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Dusseldorf posted:The poors will literally take the light rail to your home, steal your tv and xbox, and take those home with them on light rail. Every time some Vancouverite wrote a letter to the editor or whined on TV about how light rail would bring "crime" into Vancouver, I couldn't help but think that what they were really trying to say was "don't want them black people 'round here!"
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:Every time some Vancouverite wrote a letter to the editor or whined on TV about how light rail would bring "crime" into Vancouver, I couldn't help but think that what they were really trying to say was "don't want them black people 'round here!" That's basically it. Vancouver's got plenty of fine folks in it, but man do the white-flighters give the rest a bad rap.
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Like Vancouver needs to import crime.
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:Every time some Vancouverite wrote a letter to the editor or whined on TV about how light rail would bring "crime" into Vancouver, I couldn't help but think that what they were really trying to say was "don't want them black people 'round here!" You can haul more stuff in most any crap-box car than you can on light rail, so being opposed to light rail because you're scared of poors is dumb.
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highme posted:Like Vancouver needs to import crime. Yeah but see those are just some
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Solkanar512 posted:Do they support wacky anti-science stuff aka anti-vax/anti-nuke/anti-GMO? Not in the "we don't trust private corps not to abuse this stuff" way but in the "we believe wacky poo poo about atoms/genes/etc" way? Not as an overall view, I'm sure like all organizations certain individual members hold certain beliefs, but from what I've seen I haven't seen an of the anti-science type stuff. I have seen the "we don't trust private corps not to abuse this stuff" attitude a lot though.
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upsciLLion posted:You can haul more stuff in most any crap-box car than you can on light rail, so being opposed to light rail because you're scared of poors is dumb. Absolutely! The Vancouverites who oppose light rail coming in to town are dumb. 
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Also if anything light rail would be the thing that would probably help most with traffic, the plan for the bridge doesn't fix the I-5 corridor itself which is still going to be a bottleneck regardless of what bridge it connects to. The Yellow line at least would bypass it straight into downtown. I do think a part of it is also ideological or part of a weird rivalry, mass transit is a "Socialist-Portland" concept that needs to be fought just because it is from Portland, just check out the comment section on any SW Washington newspaper. Portland and Clark County are just not going to see eye to eye and it is probably going to have to wait until the bridge actually collapses on itself, if even then. Granted, the comment sections in Oregon if anything often at just as bad, jesus the Oregonian's sections are truly something else.
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