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ROSS MY SALAD posted:You'd seriously put Rivers in the top 5? jesus christ ross ROSS MY SALAD posted:2004 San Diego Chargers:
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Groucho Marxist posted:jesus christ ross 2014, not career numbers.
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Eli's INTs were absurdly high in 2014 because of a mixture of sucking, having a terrible play caller, and having no run game. He's pretty much a career 18-20 int guy but at least gets 20-30 TDs along with it. Not much you can do when your #1 gets the case of the dropsies and Kevin Gilbride is asking you to bomb it deep four times in a row to end a half every game.
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Chilichimp posted:Case an point, Andy Daltons 33 TD's from 2013. I had to check that again, but it's true, the guy being poo poo on so universally as not having "it" threw 30 goddamn touchdowns. Good enough for 3rd in a "passing league". And it wasn't all to AJ Green either, he's all over the board on receivers with TD's, so he's proven he can utilize the whole field. If could trim down those 20 picks to 15, the Bengals would probably be the AFC 2 seed. I had a History professor that said something along the lines of: "People who don't know about the Civil War know the Civil War was all because of slavery. People who know a little bit know that it was actually about rights. The people who are well read know that, no, it really was about slavery." I feel like that quote is somehow applicable to Andy. The more I think about it the more I'm convinced that I have no loving clue what he will or won't do next year. I feel like people who have read every stat and seen every game have just as little idea as to what he is and where he can go as the people who only saw the "highlights" of the last three Bengals playoff games. It's really weird and I have never thought that way about an athlete before.
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Chilichimp posted:We all know that if Eli hadn't ever won a SB, you'd be on here talking about how rings don't really matter. Sorry chilichump but Eli knows how to make Asante Samuel drop game winning INTs  (does that qualify as rivals talk? It's a joke I swear!)
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Eifert Posting posted:I had a History professor that said something along the lines of: Your professor summed up the civil war terribly and I'm not surprised considering there's a difference between a history teacher and a historian. The reason there's such a big difference between Dalton year to year is because 16 games are a pathetically small sample size for anyone to be measured by a statistical analysis. Combine that with a week off inbetween 30 attempts at doing your job correctly and you can see why baseball stats are a science while football stats are misleading. It's the same issue as to why there's FA busts or top tier draft prospects that don't work out. There are just a million factors that go into a player being good or not. What Andy Dalton is, what any QB really is, can't be quantified by a TD total.
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Volkerball posted:Yeah, he was clearly a top 5 QB 3 years ago (or maybe it was 4 years ago), IMO. He had a terrible year (or two), but I think he jumped back into form last season. Dude is unbeatable when he's on, which is fairly often. Who knows where he'll be next season though. Not playing for Norv Turner, so there are possibilities. Chilichimp fucked around with this message at 16:10 on Apr 18, 2014 |
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Doltos posted:Your professor summed up the civil war terribly and I'm not surprised considering there's a difference between a history teacher and a historian. It was a joke dude, not a thesis. It was Edmund Drago, not a community college nobody. Not exactly McPherson, but still a contributing historian.
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Doltos posted:Your professor summed up the civil war terribly and I'm not surprised considering there's a difference between a history teacher and a historian. History professors are historians. And given even a basic understanding of how politics works (at least in a modern context), the civil war was neither exclusively about states rights nor slavery, but likely a mixture of both. Politics is a game of hyperbole. To the North it was about slaves and getting to tell bitches what to do. To the south it was about not having to do what someone else says... and also "slaves are pretty good for our economy, gently caress you." Each one picked the most altruistic approach to describe their cause and threw the other trash away. Chilichimp fucked around with this message at 16:18 on Apr 18, 2014 |
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lmao sorry the rest of us were loving up the draft thread daltos why don't you give us more of your theories on history
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Eifert Posting posted:It was a joke dude, not a thesis. It was Edmund Drago, not a community college nobody. Not exactly McPherson, but still a contributing historian. drat if that's not the most kick rear end name for a history professor. Chilichimp posted:History professors are historians. And given even a basic understanding of how politics works (at least in a modern context), the civil war was neither exclusively about states rights nor slavery, but likely a mixture of both. It was about the economy first and foremost and the rights for states to secede second. The abolitionist movement was not strong and most of the moves to free slaves were to cripple the South's economy. I feel like any history teacher should know that and it was a huge gripe among the teachers I taught with when they had to focus the entire quarter on Harriet Tubman and the underground railroad.
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Rap posted:lmao sorry the rest of us were loving up the draft thread daltos why don't you give us more of your theories on history I still included something football related underneath the history, what's your excuse?
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Rap posted:lmao sorry the rest of us were loving up the draft thread daltos why don't you give us more of your theories on history I'm writing a dissertation on Weimar Germany
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What any of this has to do with football... I don't know there was a pretty awesome Rocky and Bullwinkle episode about football. The coach was this old white dude who walked around shouting "War between the states, I cannot abide the word civil" Found it, I'll post this poo poo in the art thread. Chilichimp fucked around with this message at 16:27 on Apr 18, 2014 |
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Doltos posted:Your professor summed up the civil war terribly and I'm not surprised considering there's a difference between a history teacher and a historian. He wasn't summing up the civil war. He was summing up people's perspectives on it 150 years later. There's early age Abe Lincoln freed the slaves with no context that is all some people ever learn, then there's the next tier which is apologists who take pride in the confederacy's rebellious nature and libertarians who use the civil war as a symbol for sticking up for state's rights. Then there's those who know the state's rights talking points are the same bullshit the south was using back then to justify their actions, (despite fighting states rights when they used their majority to pass the Fugitive Slave Act and demanding northern states comply) and how the confederate revisions to the constitution actually limited individual freedoms, and near all the articles of secession mentioned slavery in the first paragraph. It was pretty accurate, imo. History posts in TFF!  Edit: You'd fit into that second bracket.
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Your understanding of the AFL-NFL merger is facile and bordering on willfully ignorant. It wasn't about profits at all;
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Volkerball posted:He wasn't summing up the civil war. He was summing up people's perspectives on it 150 years later. There's early age Abe Lincoln freed the slaves with no context that is all some people ever learn, then there's the next tier which is apologists who take pride in the confederacy's rebellious nature and libertarians who use the civil war as a symbol for sticking up for state's rights. Then there's those who know the state's rights talking points are the same bullshit the south was using back then to justify their actions, (despite fighting states rights when they used their majority to pass the Fugitive Slave Act and demanded northern states comply) and how the confederate revisions to the constitution actually limited individual freedoms, and near all the articles of secession mentioned slavery in the first paragraph. It was pretty accurate, imo. History posts in TFF! No I fit into the one where I said they cared about their economy first and foremost. Slaves were a symptom of that. The North wanted to free them to get rid of the entire infrastructure for King Cotton and King Tobacco. The South wanted to keep them to continue being extremely wealthy land owners. Regardless Eifert was the one who brought up history to talk about Dalton's stats. I just said his history teacher summed it up stupidly.
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Johnny Football will no longer answer to his slave name.
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I want Sammy Watkins.
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PrinceRandom posted:Johnny Football will no longer answer to his slave name. This also happened with Jeremiah Ratliff
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The Falcons, Ravens, Patriots, Colts, Browns, and Jets have all reportedly expressed the most interest in drafting Michael Sam, and the Ravens even had a formal meeting with him.  Come to Baltimore, Michael
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I'm not sure if MV is going to like this derail or flip out about it because I can't remember an American history derail ever happening here, but just for posterity, we have an American history thread for general discussion, of which I am supreme overlord and dictator. http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3577206
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Edmond Drago is specifically a historian who specializes in Civil War and Reconstruction-era Southern history, you loving dingus.
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Wonder if there's any truth that Detroit will trade up into the top 5 to take Sammy Watkins. Their interest in him is no secret at this point, but I feel like the only team that might take him in the top 6 is Jacksonville, if the Jaguars think Blackmon won't be able to get his head on straight. But Jacksonville also gets a crack at Mack too.
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Wasn't meant to spark a debate, just a metaphor. drat, Drago is trolling people despite not even knowing they exist. I'll have to e-mail him this, he'll be thrilled. I really don't want the Bengals to reach on a QB.
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Shut up, Daltos. And I guess everyone else, but seriously.
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ANYWAY Point remains that players have too small of a sample size which can explain why Dalton varies so wildly from year to year.
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Is it wild variance? I feel like he's always been kinda...
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Chilichimp posted:Is it wild variance? I feel like he's always been kinda... These are what Andy's best and worst eight games would lok like extrapolated to a full season: 
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Chilichimp posted:Is it wild variance? I feel like he's always been kinda... No I think most players perform consistently enough that you can get a general idea of how they're used on their team. It's just when a QB throws 20 TDs compared to 25 in the previous year, and throws 15 INTs compared to 12 the previous year, I don't really see the difference. One is 35 less points and the other is 3 more turnovers which is kind of a drop in the bucket over 16 games. I still believe they're the same player with the same talent as always, they just have variance. I think the most indicative factors of a player decreasing statistical wise can be attributed to game tape, injuries, and age. Game tape will explain why Nick Foles will have more INTs this next year, injuries and age explain most every RB past the age of 27.
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Quest For Glory II posted:Wonder if there's any truth that Detroit will trade up into the top 5 to take Sammy Watkins. Their interest in him is no secret at this point, but I feel like the only team that might take him in the top 6 is Jacksonville, if the Jaguars think Blackmon won't be able to get his head on straight. But Jacksonville also gets a crack at Mack too. Maybe the Browns? Mayyyyybe? It wouldn't be impossible, if they decided later in the 1st was the time for a QB.
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Sweeney Tom posted:The Falcons, Ravens, Patriots, Colts, Browns, and Jets have all reportedly expressed the most interest in drafting Michael Sam, and the Ravens even had a formal meeting with him. Eifert Posting posted:I really don't want the Bengals to reach on a QB. 
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Remember that article about the Browns draft last offseason that talked about their war room paying disturbingly close attention to ESPN reports? All the draftniks met up afterwards and agreed to hype a bust up to the range the Browns were drafting in to see if they would pick him. That man is Bortles. Stay safe, Browns fans.
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Volkerball posted:Remember that article about the Browns draft last offseason that talked about their war room paying disturbingly close attention to ESPN reports? All the draftniks met up afterwards and agreed to hype a bust up to the range the Browns were drafting in to see if they would pick him. That man is Bortles. Stay safe, Browns fans. On the flip side you guys didn't even have a draft war room for years upon years and only recently made efforts to put up a bunch of folding tables. The Raiders are much better now, of course.
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I never understood the criticism of the Browns' war room, I mean are the teams supposed to have spies from other franchises whispering in their ears
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Rap posted:I never understood the criticism of the Browns' war room, I mean are the teams supposed to have spies from other franchises whispering in their ears I believe Al Davis actually had this
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I just want to thank you all for the knee jerk custom titles. Every time I see one I smile.
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That one's ok but it doesn't really nail Bayless's voice
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