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Promethium posted:I'll likely never read it personally, but according to the review I came across, "Patrick Weekes is a significantly better prose writer than David Gaider," so take that faint praise for what it's worth. Haha, ouch. That is the faintest of well-intentioned praise. 
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Drifter posted:"John, listen buddy. Listen. We want you back. Okay. We, look, we have this character you're gonna love, right? Strong, sexy, independent. A real hellraiser in Mrrrrowl.
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Apr 18, 2014 18:47
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Promethium posted:I'll likely never read it personally, but according to the review I came across, "Patrick Weekes is a significantly better prose writer than David Gaider," so take that faint praise for what it's worth. Read Weekes' The Palace Job if you can; it's a good humorous fantasy novel.
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funakupo posted:Read Weekes' The Palace Job if you can; it's a good humorous fantasy novel. Yeah, I bought it, it's a fun read.
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Apr 18, 2014 19:11
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Drifter posted:"John, listen buddy. Listen. We want you back. Okay. We, look, we have this character you're gonna love, right? Strong, sexy, independent. A real hellraiser in I can't tell if this a joke anymore. 
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Android Blues posted:I like Isabela because she's absolutely ridiculous and I feel like to enjoy DA2, you just have to go with it and accept that playing it is more like playing a swashbuckling adventure-romance novel than DAO's fantasy epic. Isabela and Varric are probably the companions that are most preposterous in manner and aspect and therefore, once you're on board with this idea, most enjoyable. I still maintain that one of the reasons I like having Isabella in the party is because her voice actress is fantastic. I really wish they had given her pants, though. 
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Apr 18, 2014 20:26
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Bored posted:I still maintain that one of the reasons I like having Isabella in the party is because her voice actress is fantastic. I really wish they had given her pants, though. There's mods for that! I think.
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Deltasquid posted:There's mods for that! I think. Nah, only mods to take away even more, clearly. Don't you know modding communities at all?
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KittyEmpress posted:Nah, only mods to take away even more, clearly. Don't you know modding communities at all? http://www.nexusmods.com/dragonage2...review%3D&pUp=1 Pants!
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Apr 18, 2014 21:20
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I like how even a mod made explicitly to add pants to a character also comes with a reskin that gives her fair skin, apparently. Because gamers can't have dark skin in games. That was my favorite part of Skyrim's release. All the 'prettier redguard' mods that made them snow white people with blonde hair.
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Apr 18, 2014 21:23
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KittyEmpress posted:Nah, only mods to take away even more, clearly. Don't you know modding communities at all? Well.
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Apr 18, 2014 21:24
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MoreLikeTen posted:Probably pissing in the cereal bowl level drivel or whatever. I don't think I've ever interacted with a video game's extended universe books or animes or whatever. They always seem like cheap cash-ins. Is there a gold standard for this kind of thing, or is it always just a guilty pleasure? The Elder Scrolls books are ok in that they have nothing to do with the games directly, are short and in sequence, and are batshit insane. They're mega loving weird.
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KittyEmpress posted:I like how even a mod made explicitly to add pants to a character also comes with a reskin that gives her fair skin, apparently. Because gamers can't have dark skin in games. Baby steps 
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Apr 18, 2014 21:27
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I'm impressed by something on the Nexus. Dear god, what have I become?
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It says a lot about Nexus when I was legitimately surprised at this.
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Drifter posted:I'm impressed by something on the Nexus. Dear god, what have I become? Don't get me wrong, 99% of the stuff of the Nexus rightly deserves equal parts of mocking and disgust but, here and there, pop up little heroes that fight back by not making poo poo.
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Someone mentioned the gender balance in this earlier (six to three) and I just got to wondering, has there ever been a RPG where there are more women than men, barring the obvious examples like the Neptunia games that have no men, and the harem-rpgs? I think the Atleir series on the PS3, maybe?
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KittyEmpress posted:Someone mentioned the gender balance in this earlier (six to three) and I just got to wondering, has there ever been a RPG where there are more women than men, barring the obvious examples like the Neptunia games that have no men, and the harem-rpgs? The "Tales Of" games are usually 50/50 at least
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Deltasquid posted:There's mods for that! I think. not for xbox360
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Apr 18, 2014 22:16
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I'm concerned about the number of whitewashed Vivienne mods we will eventually see.
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Leelee posted:I'm concerned about the number of whitewashed Vivienne mods we will eventually see. Nevermind copyright and rights management issues, Nexus Mods is the single best reason to not ever include mod support in a game.
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Apr 18, 2014 22:36
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KittyEmpress posted:Someone mentioned the gender balance in this earlier (six to three) and I just got to wondering, has there ever been a RPG where there are more women than men, barring the obvious examples like the Neptunia games that have no men, and the harem-rpgs? Hmmm, I think that the persona series count. Persona 3 has, as the main cast, five male characters and four female ones + a dog, or four male and five female if the player character is female. Persona 4 has four male and four female main characters.
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Do the Persona games have the same level of ... I don't know the right word here...fleshed outedness or psuedo-3Dednes as the bioware games? Like, a lot of games have  characters but they're just kinda words on a screen and such, whereas Bioware characters feel a bit more like actual actors in the setting. Like, there's some attempted reaction and emotion and stuff.Like, I'd hesitate to call people from Final Fantasy fleshed out characters, but I'd call the people from Planescape Torment characters. Drifter fucked around with this message at 23:08 on Apr 18, 2014 |
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Drifter posted:Do the Persona games have the same level of ... I don't know the right word here...fleshed outedness or psuedo-3Dednes as the bioware games? Like, a lot of games have Most of the characters have their own arc and undergo personal growth; there's actually a game mechanic called Social Links where the more of their personal storyline you've seen you get bigger bonuses applied to personae (it's of similar to FF8's GF system) that are linked to their related arcana (the game uses imagery from the standard tarot deck). It's like a longer, more drawn out version of a Bioware companion quest, with the added bonus that most of them act like real people, although you tend to be more of an enabler in 3 for most of the links. It's a lot better in 4 where your interactions tend to feel more like a healthy friendship that would develop even without the incentive of increased otherworldy power. Keeshhound fucked around with this message at 23:17 on Apr 18, 2014 |
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And it actually has good characters, also.
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Yeah having played both Persona 3 (for the PSP) and Persona 4: The Golden (Vita) I'd say their characters are more deep/believable/interesting than the ones from... basically any Bioware RPG.
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Drifter posted:Do the Persona games have the same level of ... I don't know the right word here...fleshed outedness or psuedo-3Dednes as the bioware games? Like, a lot of games have Every character in persona 3 has some sort of problem they're struggling with and the main character just nudges them in the right direction to fix their lives. Every character in persona 4 is more of a friend that you're hanging out with and then you find out they have some problems. Most are written in a rather realistic way, too. For example, Persona 4's Yosuke falls in the stereotypical "lame best friend" category, and his arc is essentially about how he's a kid from the big city who moved to the backwards village the game takes place in because his father got a job there, and it's him complaining about that, his lovely job and the customers, and eventually opening up to you about his insecurities and how he misses a certain girl. It's genuinely quite touching.
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Everyone should at least attempt to play Persona 4. Its anime as gently caress but its fantastic.
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Deltasquid posted:Every character in persona 3 has some sort of problem they're struggling with and the main character just nudges them in the right direction to fix their lives. Every character in persona 4 is more of a friend that you're hanging out with and then you find out they have some problems. From what I've seen of the games, Bioware really could stand to learn a few lessons about character and relationship writing from them.
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drat I don't have a vita. Maybe I'll check out Persona 3 on the psp then.
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Drifter posted:drat I don't have a vita. Maybe I'll check out Persona 3 on the psp then. If you have a PS3, they just released Persona 4 on there, and Persona 3's been on for a while.
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How's the grind? One thing I enjoy about western jrpgs is that there isn't a very large grind. At least Bioware has that going for it.
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Drifter posted:How's the grind? One thing I enjoy about western jrpgs is that there isn't a very large grind. At least Bioware has that going for it. So long as you fuse new and more powerful personas as you go, you'll be fine. Level seems to be less important than having a good selection of personas so you're ready for any occasion. Other than that, so long as you make sure not to run away from too many fights, you shouldn't have much trouble until you hit a boss, and then it's more a case of knowing the right strategy. At least, that was my experience, and I'm not too huge on grinding, myself.
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Drifter posted:How's the grind? One thing I enjoy about western jrpgs is that there isn't a very large grind. At least Bioware has that going for it. It doesn't work quite like that. You have one in-game year to do everything and excessive fighting can drain you to the point where you lose days to recover. You do need to grind, but its more important to know exactly how to power up your characters instead of just mindlessly killing everything. It's more about tactics and time management (as well as building a good high school social life for in-game benefits).
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Drifter posted:How's the grind? One thing I enjoy about western jrpgs is that there isn't a very large grind. At least Bioware has that going for it. Both persona 3 and 4 give you about one in-game year to balance a fine thread between going through dungeons and working on social links. If you do too much of one, you'll lag behind on the other. In general though, you can somewhat ignore the fighting part without lagging behind too much. Even if you do get outleveled, you just need to carefully win a few fights and the XP from higher-leveled monsters will make you catch up really quickly, whereas the xp of lower-leveled monsters is rather neglegible. They're really good JRPG's in the sense that the grind is very soft in persona 3 (I think about 10% of my time spent on persona 3 was grinding) and not there at all in persona 4. EDIT: we have reached the inevitable point where discussion about any RPG will inevitably lead to people praising persona 3 and 4 and egging someone on to try them. One of us. One of us. Deltasquid fucked around with this message at 08:45 on Apr 19, 2014 |
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Hmm persona sounds like a lot of work to play with all the character stuff. I may just play Dragon Age 2 again.
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Leelee posted:I'm concerned about the number of whitewashed Vivienne mods we will eventually see. The fact that there's no doubt that this is going to happen is legitimately depressing. It reminds me of the time where a guy I played TF2 and L4D with got L4D2 and was appalled because Rochelle (a black lady character) wasn't Zoe (a white lady character.) He even went as far as saying that he didn't feel bad about modding Rochelle's model because "she doesn't act black anyways."
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Drifter posted:drat I don't have a vita. Maybe I'll check out Persona 3 on the psp then. If you do play Persona 3 Portable, and you only ever intend to play it once, I'd play as the female character. A huge amount of the content is different (and I'd argue better written). Technically, the male protagonist is canon, but that really nevers matters from a story perspective.
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Vanderdeath posted:The fact that there's no doubt that this is going to happen is legitimately depressing. It reminds me of the time where a guy I played TF2 and L4D with got L4D2 and was appalled because Rochelle (a black lady character) wasn't Zoe (a white lady character.) He even went as far as saying that he didn't feel bad about modding Rochelle's model because "she doesn't act black anyways." Just for trolling purposes, we should make a mod that changes everyone's skin colour to darker tones ranging from North-African to Sub-Saharan. Maybe the Nexus will implode?
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Deltasquid posted:EDIT: we have reached the inevitable point where discussion about any RPG will inevitably lead to people praising persona 3 and 4 and egging someone on to try them. As long as they don't come out on the PC I will never play these. Still, I can always replay Baldur's Gate, Planescape: Torment or Icewind Dale.
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