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quote:This vote right here is important. Since its the holiday weekend and some of us will be traveling, can we hold off on closing voting until Monday. Cornuto fucked around with this message at 12:57 on Apr 19, 2014 |
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Zybourne Clock posted:1B. F doesn't seem to be any riskier than E. The monster's will already be subdued.
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Apr 19, 2014 13:23
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Cornuto posted:
Literally, the only eugenicist here is Ishamal. All this does is make it so that the monsters who die do it slightly slower than before. We are wanting to start murdering thinking beings with knives in strategic places, instead of murdering thinking beings with swords in strategic places. Slaan fucked around with this message at 13:43 on Apr 19, 2014 |
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Apr 19, 2014 13:26
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Cornuto posted:(Will switch to E if it is more popular) I am fairly sure that E and I votes are going to be clumped together when determining whether or not we should go ahead with this plan. Be a bit silly otherwise. Of course, the converse to that is that F, G, and H votes are likely to be clumped together, too. So vote as you please, not on the basis of strategic voting.
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Apr 19, 2014 13:30
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Apr 19, 2014 13:47
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Tomn posted:I am fairly sure that E and I votes are going to be clumped together when determining whether or not we should go ahead with this plan. Be a bit silly otherwise. Of course, the converse to that is that F, G, and H votes are likely to be clumped together, too. So vote as you please, not on the basis of strategic voting. E/I votes will be clumped together for "no" and F/G/H for "yes". We do this almost every time we have a vote with two choices, which many smaller variations on one idea, to do something or not. the_steve posted:Ask Puabi: What exactly would you be harvesting from the monsters that you need them alive for? Tomn posted:Hey, some questions! Tomn posted:Can we ask Naomi if she would prefer sons or daughters? Tomn posted:Would she insist on the sons being Blooded? If so, be clear that we would need to adopt high-born children - no other options would work. Tomn posted:Ask Ishamal if the "false child" thing has ever been done before and what the consequences were when they happened. Tomn posted:Ask Ishamal why he wasn't eager to explore the false child option - if there's any notable issues with the procedure. Diogines fucked around with this message at 14:17 on Apr 19, 2014 |
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Apr 19, 2014 14:12
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Apr 19, 2014 15:27
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Zybourne Clock posted:1B.     
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Apr 19, 2014 16:13
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Lanky Coconut Tree posted:Killing babies? Merciful! I like that you're assuming everyone who is voting against vivisection also voted for every one of the other things you're complaining about.  Anyway, look guys. It doesn't matter if tearing out a wounded minotaur spleen or whatever only takes a few minutes as they're dying. You're still inflicting unnecessary pain and suffering on another being for no reason but personal gain. That's not a line we should cross. Yes, I know we kill monsters every day to protect Zepath and earn a living. This is different though. Sure, monsters this close to Zepath probably need to die anyway…but they don't need to die slowly, and in needless pain and terror. And why? Just so we can get some magic bits and bobs? We don't need to put needless suffering into the world like that—and certainly not for so selfish and trivial a reason. Vivisection and torture are a bad path. Pease don't do it.  Anyways, I'm not crazy about the baby idea either, but since it looks like it may pass, go ahead and Ask Ish: WIll the child be fathered by another man's seed? If so, will the father not come for it one day? If not, will the child still have a soul? You say you were hesitant to offer this…why? Blessings from El carry a cost or sacrifice of some form. What cost is required for this miracle you would perform? Does Zeb know what you offer? Would he approve, do you think? Yes to asking Naomi about the baby plan now.
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Apr 19, 2014 16:26
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Ooh, this is tricky. I feel like we SHOULD talk this over with Naomi, but on the other hand, if Ishamal would rather not be mentioned... OK, let's try this: Tell Naomi about the baby plan and ask her opinion, but don't let on that Ish is the one doing it - just say that we recently learned it was an option. Make it clear that the child will not be of our blood and will never be Blooded, even if it looked like us.
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Apr 19, 2014 16:33
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I don't understand the appeal of the eugenics thing at all, I guess. Kindness to orphans is a virtue. Much of our own difficulty has to do with having some sort of mystery father. Much of the goodness in our life comes from having been adopted. Ishamal will do it, but does not want to. If he does it he does not want it known. So I guess if for whatever strange reason we do this... ... We don't tell Naomi
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Apr 19, 2014 17:20
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FoxTerrier posted:Yes, I know we kill monsters every day to protect Zepath and earn a living. This is different though. Sure, monsters this close to Zepath probably need to die anyway…but they don't need to die slowly, and in needless pain and terror. And why? Just so we can get some magic bits and bobs? We don't need to put needless suffering into the world like that—and certainly not for so selfish and trivial a reason. We are just killing the ones near Zepath though. We are going out into the wilds for weeks at a time to hunt them down in their homes. Goblin city? The smaller Harpy nesting grounds? Minotaur staging area? We've fought in all of these places. We are already the invaders here, killing the monsters for profit; and yes, often killing them slowly, in pain and terror. You think that the thousand paper cuts it takes to down an ogre is painless? It isn't scared? How about the minotaur we gutted and left to burn alive in its own stomach acid while we took down its companion? Yeah, its exactly the same for both options. One is just a lot more honest (and profitable!) about what we are doing.
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Apr 19, 2014 17:29
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1B 2E 3J 4N 5 HiHo ChiRho posted:
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Apr 19, 2014 17:32
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Slaan posted:You think that the thousand paper cuts it takes to down an ogre is painless? It isn't scared? You know, that's an interesting point. Diog, whenever we fought larger monsters like minotaurs and ogres, have they ever tried to, well, run away from us at any point in the fight? Though as regards the actual point being made, I'd like to mention in passing that I somehow suspect that this particular line of reasoning will not go down well with just about everyone else aside from Indor. It's one thing to kill another being in a battle to the death in which one must emerge the victor and the other must die - it's another to deliberately inflict pain on a helpless being no longer capable of resistance. Actually, come to think of it, I'm curious now. Diog, what are the Zepathan views on the torture of other human beings? How about monsters? Does it happen often? Edit: Also, y'know what, changing my vote from 5. X+V+T to straight T. Diog is probably gonna get around to the questions while I'm asleep, and it's safer to vote this for now. Besides, what exactly are the advantages of magic babies? "No, see, actually I CAN make babies, but none of them are Blooded so I'm shamed anyways!" Tomn fucked around with this message at 17:50 on Apr 19, 2014 |
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Apr 19, 2014 17:43
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I think we have enough magic bullshit in our lives that this false child nonsense is unecessary, the gain is minimal, the bullshitness is high. Baitel isn't the city that hates us right? Bring the balls It'll be rad. I Actively voting any vote to sever them ties. And also for Tsyni If that fails K Just curatives, no bullshit marching powder, things that will save their lives. Talk to him, does he wish to join us? IF SO P If not then O (I know, conditional voting. I'd just like to ask him before a vote and then that will decide) Can we get some more info on the process for T/U? I'm not sure I fully understand.
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Apr 19, 2014 17:44
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FoxTerrier posted:WIll the child be fathered by another man's seed? If so, will the father not come for it one day? If not, will the child still have a soul? FoxTerrier posted:You say you were hesitant to offer this…why? FoxTerrier posted:Blessings from El carry a cost or sacrifice of some form. What cost is required for this miracle you would perform? FoxTerrier posted:Does Zeb know what you offer? Would he approve, do you think? Tomn posted:Diog, whenever we fought larger monsters like minotaurs and ogres, have they ever tried to, well, run away from us at any point in the fight? FoxTerrier posted:Diog, what are the Zepathan views on the torture of other human beings? FoxTerrier posted:How about monsters? Does it happen often?
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Apr 19, 2014 17:58
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Apr 19, 2014 18:08
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Pladdicus posted:Can we get some more info on the process for T/U? I'm not sure I fully understand. Diogines posted:T. Yes. We will adopt a child from one of Zepath's high born famillies. As to T. You are the adopted son of the King of Zepath and have wide popularity in the city. You and Naomi would approach one of those families and ask them for one of their children, explaining that you cannot have children. You can probably find someone who would agree. As to U. Outside of the rich, you would find someone who is having difficulty providing for their family and expects another child coming on the way and adopt them.
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Apr 19, 2014 18:14
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Slaan posted:We are just killing the ones near Zepath though. We are going out into the wilds for weeks at a time to hunt them down in their homes. Goblin city? The smaller Harpy nesting grounds? Minotaur staging area? We've fought in all of these places. We are already the invaders here, killing the monsters for profit; and yes, often killing them slowly, in pain and terror. You think that the thousand paper cuts it takes to down an ogre is painless? It isn't scared? How about the minotaur we gutted and left to burn alive in its own stomach acid while we took down its companion?  I think your argument is good. I find I don't quite agree though. "Will" seems to be important. We should have learned something about this through our exercises in willpower or whatever we might call it. This probably also means our choices are important in a similar way, not just in terms of chained consequences in the world. (This might mean teleological cause [that for the sake of which something is done] is at play in the Urian world, rather than just efficient cause [if, then material cause and effect]. An Aristotle has not been born yet, but we might have tumbled to some version of this while considering such things as Grigori.) I think the the shift from being a hunter to a vivisectionist is a difference in kind, rather than one of degree as you and others are suggesting. We currently hunt monsters within a larger context of duty, Forces of Creation and Destruction and so forth. Profit is a by product of that. Were it not profitable Zepath would still have to do it. The process leads to all sorts of inconsistencies, contradictions and gruesome business. Again, as a by product, not the intention. When we shift to an intention of causing much greater pain and suffering specifically for the sake of profit, this is a change in kind. Of course it would be possible to argue that we will do "wonders" as result, but that is post hoc rationalization and the value or nature of those supposed "wonders" by which we will have then been seduced is not at all assured.
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Apr 19, 2014 18:26
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1.A 2.E 3.J 4.Q 5.X, Adopt an orphan.
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Apr 19, 2014 18:55
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Quick question for those voting for the magic baby: What are we hoping to get out of it? How do we believe that magicbabies will be a better option for ourselves, Naomi, and the baby than adoption? Serious question, not rhetorical.
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Apr 19, 2014 18:55
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It's not down to Enkidel. Give Naomi her options, and let her decide what she wants to do.
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Apr 19, 2014 19:02
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Apr 19, 2014 19:09
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Changing my #5 to X - Orphan adoption.
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Apr 19, 2014 20:06
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edit: nevermind, FoxTerrier already asked my question
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Apr 19, 2014 20:14
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Pladdicus posted:(I know, conditional voting. I'd just like to ask him before a vote and then that will decide) Just going to count your vote as BIKO, since conditional voting doesn't make any sense unless it gets a majority vote, otherwise it just means "I will edit my post in the future." Spreadsheet is up to date. No ties, but things are a bit close.
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Apr 19, 2014 20:17
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the_steve posted:Changing my #5 to X - Orphan adoption. Also changing my vote to X - Adopt an orphan (previously T).
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Apr 19, 2014 20:36
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Vavrek posted:Also changing my vote to X - Adopt an orphan (previously T). Changing all votes to X - No babies, get a kennel for Naomi to live in and put Snarls, our true partner, in charge of the household. I seriously think A Terrible Person had the best idea, though. Golem babies :| Tsyni fucked around with this message at 20:41 on Apr 19, 2014 |
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Apr 19, 2014 20:38
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Tsyni posted:I seriously think A Terrible Person had the best idea, though. Golem babies :| I was torn between suggesting either that or stealing an infant from a family in Athar. I don't know. I'm not actually very invested in that particular vote. Each option reads like trying to use our place in society to influence people into selling their kids to us, or otherwise creating a homunculus. I would've abstained, but... a Lefkandian pot-golem felt like a fitting alternative. Maybe we could eventually give it a soul, like we did with Snarls?
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Apr 19, 2014 21:17
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I've been mute on most of these votes, but the one thing I will comment on - please no creepy fake Enkidel babies. Anything but that. It's weird and unecessary. Also, witches.
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Apr 19, 2014 21:21
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I'm surprised no one liked my idea of seeing if Az had some HOT TIPS re: orphans.
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Apr 19, 2014 21:23
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100 HOGS AGREE posted:I'm surprised no one liked my idea of seeing if Az had some HOT TIPS re: orphans. Yeah! Does Az have any other friends he'd like us to look after? Billy want to be a kid?
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Apr 19, 2014 21:25
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Is Azz really going to trust us with a baby when we couldn't even take care of Billy? We do remember Billy, right? We tried to eat him, and may have technically succeeded. Not a good parenting technique unless you're Team Asherah/Hunger
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Apr 19, 2014 22:26
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Has Danal tried to learn anything of fighting monsters while he's been traveling with us? Do we think he might be ready to challenge a Ball in the year that has passed?
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Apr 19, 2014 22:37
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BIN X: adopt an orphan/otherwise needy child.
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Apr 19, 2014 22:47
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SerSpook posted:Has Danal tried to learn anything of fighting monsters while he's been traveling with us? Do we think he might be ready to challenge a Ball in the year that has passed? Voting closes in one hour. The update shall follow after that.
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Apr 20, 2014 00:24
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1. Yes, we should also come up with a basic uniform / armor addition that makes our group distinct and stand out. 2. I 3. K but only the healing potions 4. N
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Apr 20, 2014 00:51
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Mr Apollo posted:1. Yes, we should also come up with a basic uniform / armor addition that makes our group distinct and stand out. Perhaps a stylized yet tasteful scrotum armband? Vanity glans for our spears?
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Apr 20, 2014 00:56
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Hot Dog Day 80 posted:1. Will you take your Balls with you when you go to Baitel? This for me!
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1B 2G 3K 4N 5V Gonna laugh when Danal riles up a pack donkey or something and gets kicked in the back and then dies and we're banished forever because of it. 
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