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ZenMasterBullshit posted:The footnote is just the best. i LOVE the footnote. it really gets across the idea that the whole spell is an act of pure spite on some wizard's part one of the things i really appreciate about 4e is that the prismatic beams/spray/orb/wall spells are still insanely brutal, although beams and spray got nerfed in essentials for no reason whatsoever
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Nihnoz posted:You can talk about batman vs former bird all you want but both of those examples are completely nonsensical and not in the spirit of the background rules. While it is true that is not the spirit of those rules and that they even have a blog post on their site where they explain this (though it was written by Wade Rockett), transformed animal is one of the example backgrounds in the book. For reference, the example backgrounds are: Acrobat, alchemist, animal trainer, architect, aristocratic noble, assassin, Cathedral servitor, chef, conwoman, dinosaur hunter, goblin exterminator, hunted outlaw, knight errant, Legionnaire of the 17th [Legion], magecraft, priest, refugee, scout, shepherd, soldier, spy, temple acolyte, thief, torturer, transformed animal, traveling martial arts pupil, tribal healer, tunnel scout, wandering minstrel, warrior poet (which might be a cheesy maneuver to get two good things in one, and could therefore be interpreted literally, or not, depending on your style), and so on. To be fair, most of these examples are very down to earth and, arguably, not "good at everything." The batman +5 is like the quantum bears complaint for DW: it came about by people making an exaggerated example of how the rules could be interpreted. Arguably, both examples are clearly not the intent of the rules. It's an issue that mostly comes from a lack of explanation. For the OUT, they spend multiple pages defining what is a good and bad OUT as well how to deal with OUT that are "deliberately pushing it." If they have given the same guidelines to backgrounds, this line of complaints would have probably not have occurred.
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the possibility of having an overly broad background is barely a fraction of the problem. just compare backgrounds in 13A to aspects in fate or something
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Apr 20, 2014 20:31
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I think hyperbole like Batman +5 and Quantum Bears have a firm place in Internet discussion, they don't necessarily assume the game itself is being ran or played in bad faith.
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Apr 20, 2014 20:32
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When you do quality assurance on a video game, you often do things like play the same level over and over again for your entire eight hour shift, or figure out how to speedrun it if you're pro. It doesn't seem particularly unfair to an RPG to run it through test cases like "what happens if a player completely takes a dump on the fluff, but is willing to take the mechanics seriously" and "if I were a munchkin, what kind of character would I make with this system" and "what happens if X law of thermodynamics is played straight alongside Y game mechanic". None of us would likely be playing RPGs in the first place if we couldn't accept a few system quirks as a necessary evil, or even accept them as part of the game's flavor, and mold the setting to accommodate them.
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Apr 20, 2014 20:38
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I just remembed Astrology is one of the skills I used when I revamped Knowedlge skills and creature types for my 3.5 setting. I was really pleased with it, but it is a little embarrassing to mention in this thread since I did it all back when I thought 3.5 was really good.
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people writing rpgs like not doing quality assurance or assuming that weird test cases will just be suppressed by table social dynamics and don't need any kind of thought, and the rpgs are always worse for it. you can usually tell when someone designing an rpg has put serious thought into what happens when the rules are strained to the utmost and has either corrected them to prevent that or actually explained directly to the reader what should logically happen and why it's okay nobilis is an excellent example of this, moran goes to painstaking length to elaborate on the logical results of the miracle resolution rules, what you can and can't do, what happens if someone really overreaches in describing a miracle or their estate, etc
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Ferrinus posted:i'm pretty certain that i could Herbie my way into using 4e skills well and running skill challenges that were cool, but it would take a lot of work that the books don't really tell you how to do except that there are a few example skill challenges in various published adventures etc that are cool It's best to never use skill challenges at all. Instead, set out an abstract problem and ask PCs how they are going to solve it together. If they are not loving lumps, they will come up with something cool and more lively than "everyone at the table rolls +skill. Plot advances!"
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a LOT of specific costs, cases, and timings in my mage houserule project are based upon that kind of "well wait, otherwise, wouldn't the optimal play be to always ____" logic. it's true that a lot of players and STs don't think that way at all, and that the safeguards put in place would actually be totally invisible to them, but that's totally fine. the rigor/consistency is its own reward
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OneThousandMonkeys posted:It's best to never use skill challenges at all. Instead, set out an abstract problem and ask PCs how they are going to solve it together. If they are not loving lumps, they will come up with something cool and more lively than "everyone at the table rolls +skill. Plot advances!" what i'm talking about is skill challenges that clearly and directly differentiate between skills, such that they mostly aren't interchangeable i like stuff like "each turn at least one person needs to pass an athletics check or else the boat capsizes, at the same time if someone doesn't pass a nature check to negotiate with the whitewater spirits the athletics check dc will increase by 2, cumulatively. monsters are attacking btw" Ferrinus fucked around with this message at 20:54 on Apr 20, 2014 |
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Apr 20, 2014 20:51
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Attorney at Funk posted:prof:astrologer's always stuck in my craw the most because it was a prereq for sublime chord, which was the prc that let you turn your bard into a full wizard could you conceivably design a low-int retardo bard that happened to get through astrology college?
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Gerund posted:could you conceivably design a low-int retardo bard that happened to get through astrology college? depends on how low you mean. bards get a really good base rate of skill points/level so you don't need an int mod to hit the skill prereqs. but I don't think you could pull it off with like, int 7
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Gerund posted:could you conceivably design a low-int retardo bard that happened to get through astrology college? Sure. No real penalty to it, except that they have some moderately strict skill point requirements that will eat all of your skill points if you try to build it with an 8 in int. Sublime Chord is a so-so class that lets you cast wizard spells with your charisma, that synnergizes oddly with certain other PrCs to do some remarkable bullshit. It's either unimpressive or totally broken, depending on use. DnD all over, really.
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Splicer posted:Phone posting instills significant lag.
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LSTB posted:I think hyperbole like Batman +5 and Quantum Bears have a firm place in Internet discussion, they don't necessarily assume the game itself is being ran or played in bad faith. Saying something is a hyperbole (an exaggeration to make a point) is not saying something is being done in bad faith.
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Apr 20, 2014 21:12
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I wanna see Jesus statted up in D&D
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Apr 20, 2014 21:20
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pussy died from a climbing skill challenge, would not play
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Gau posted:I wanna see Jesus statted up in D&D
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Gau posted:I wanna see Jesus statted up in D&D
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Covok posted:Saying something is a hyperbole (an exaggeration to make a point) is not saying something is being done in bad faith. Of course they're not the same thing when taken out of context. This is a threaded discussion, however, which means that no post exists in a vacuum.
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Gau posted:I wanna see Jesus statted up in D&D there was a boed prc that basically made you jesus iirc, so that
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LSTB posted:Of course they're not the same thing when taken out of context. This is a threaded discussion, however, which means that no post exists in a vacuum. Well, regardless, it was not my intent to say it implied bad faith. I'm just calling the examples what they are: exaggerations to make a point. Gau posted:I wanna see Jesus statted up in D&D There is a supplement for pathfinder made to allow someone to add Jesus in. He's stated up in multiple forms to match different perceptions of him (as a normal man, as a prophet, as a divine figure,etc.) It's way more in-depth than one would expect for a supplement most people would not use (since adding real world religious figures into a trpg can add complications). If you have the archives upgrade, you can read all about it in the old F&F thread (not the oldest, the second oldest).
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A lot of Abrahamic religion stuff like Ars Goetica and forgotten versions of the Old Testament actually make for a loving cool fantasy world.
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LSTB posted:A lot of Abrahamic religion stuff like Ars Goetica and forgotten versions of the Old Testament actually make for a loving cool fantasy world. the book of enoch would be a fantastic campaign setting, IMO
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man versus giant, and whoever wins we all lose in the end (because god's an rear end in a top hat)
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it's called testament: roleplaying in the biblical era, and despite being (quel surprise) a 3.5 splatbook, it owns
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If no one bought splats for systems they thought were bad, GURPS would have been dead in the 80s.
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The LORD grants the Good, Heaven, Law, Knowledge, Protection, and Strength domains, but you actually worship him so you can enter the Judge prestige class (which looks specifically like a Paladin who can summon free angels at will, I think I remember Joshua doing that), and take the 'Nazirite' feat that grants you wicked bonuses to your ability scores if you don't drink alcohol/cut your hair, and lets you steal the lunch money of Canaanite sacred prostitutes and Babylonian astronomers.
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I love worshiping YHWH in monolatrist settings.
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LSTB posted:I love worshiping YHWH in monolatrist settings. Same, friend.
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Knew I had to read the discussion page for this. quote:This is totally out of place. 1: there are plenty of evil christ-worshipers. 2:if you really think this should exist, shouldn't the favored weapon be a HAMMER since he was a carpenter? i don't think he likes whips after everything that happened. --Name Violation 00:45, 20 October 2009 (MDT)
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Our Lord and Savior Christ is into some kinky poo poo.
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OneThousandMonkeys posted:It's best to never use skill challenges at all. Instead, set out an abstract problem and ask PCs how they are going to solve it together. If they are not loving lumps, they will come up with something cool and more lively than "everyone at the table rolls +skill. Plot advances!" That's how you should use skill challenges. You set out the problem, ask the PCs what they are going to do about it, then pick a level and complexity for their plan. For a new DM it deals with the problem of how far to zoom in and what sort of DC you should use for finding a cart to disguise as a plague cart to pack your dragon wyrmling on. The skill challenge comes in after you've got the insane PC plan rather than telling the PCs what they should do.
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SunAndSpring posted:Our Lord and Savior Christ is into some kinky poo poo. Only weapon he ever uses, and even though he's a carpenter (supposedly) it's the only thing he ever made. Jesus hated him some salesmen in the churches. Meanwhile, we've got megachurches fulla starbucks praisin' Jesus as hard as they can.
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Mystic Mongol posted:Only weapon he ever uses, and even though he's a carpenter (supposedly) it's the only thing he ever made. Jesus hated him some salesmen in the churches. son of god? more like father of irony. L M A O
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Matthew 10:34: "Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword."
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Judges 3:21-22 "[21] Ehud reached with his left hand, pulled out the dagger strapped to his right thigh, and plunged it into the king’s belly. [22] The dagger went so deep that the handle disappeared beneath the king’s fat. So Ehud did not pull out the dagger, and the king’s bowels emptied."
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Ezekiel 23:20: There she lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were like those of donkeys and whose emission was like that of horses.
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also can rpgs be sold on islamic countries as long as they don't depict people?!?!?
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