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Is she even aware that the kind of analysis she expects to do is done at the Pentagon by colonels, lieutenant colonels and civilians with decades of experience?
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Godholio posted:Is she even aware that the kind of analysis she expects to do is done at
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scroogle nmaps posted:Friend is apparently enlisting in the Army with a good math degree to try and be an accountant of some sort if they let him. It is the no poo poo quickest way to get your citizenship. As opposed to the normal 5 years of sitting around with your permanent residency, then maybe getting it in another 2 years of processing and a few thousand dollars is the fastest and cheapest I've ever heard of. Then you've got the night mare stories of 10 years plus and 25k down the toilet. I got mine within 6 weeks of joining at absolute zero cost to me. At least that's what I thought, as over the next 3 years, I got some seriously debilitating, permanent injuries that hosed me up bad. All of these caused directly through the stupidity of those ranked higher than me, and literally nothing would've saved except going AWOL those days. Tell her to keep that in mind if she's still thinking of joining up, especially the army.
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Apr 17, 2014 23:50
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Stultus Maximus posted:Is she even aware that the kind of analysis she expects to do is done at the Pentagon by Booz Allen Hamilton or SAIC by civilians with a way higher paycheck? Sometimes the civilians let the competent military people play around with less important stuff. Sometimes.
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Apr 18, 2014 02:48
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Another question, "What job in the af do they recommended then, other than not at all"
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Apr 18, 2014 02:59
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goodness posted:Another question, Haha. Well she doesn't want to fly right? That rules out aircrew, which I am quite biased about because flying loving rules. If I were to do it again, I'd go sensor operator or a niche medical job (this will pay off after leaving the military).
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Apr 18, 2014 03:02
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She needs to figure out what she actually wants to get from the military and what she wants to do afterwards. Start with the desired result, then draw the map how to get there.
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Apr 18, 2014 03:05
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Godholio posted:She needs to figure out what she actually wants to get from the military and what she wants to do afterwards. Start with the desired result, then draw the map how to get there. There seems to be an interest in being a psychologist, anything she can get into to start with that.
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Apr 18, 2014 03:15
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sforzacio posted:Does she like being sexually harassed on a daily basis by people who are literally in charge of her life?? If so, any branch will do.
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Apr 18, 2014 03:15
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The Nagoodness posted:There seems to be an interest in being a psychologist, anything she can get into to start with that. The Navy has a GREAT psych program. I'm not in it, but I've heard great things.
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Apr 18, 2014 03:25
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So, at the most basic level, what does an intel officer do day-to-day in the military? Particularly Navy. I have no illusions about writing briefings that go to the President's desk every morning--but presumably you do write briefings, and probably give some powerpoints that, at some point, someone may pay attention to. Or is it (as I heard once) just sitting in a windowless office in Maryland for four years. Help me make not terrible major life decisions please, thanks.
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Apr 18, 2014 08:05
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You will make powerpoint presentations for your commanding officer.
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Apr 18, 2014 08:10
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And by make he means log onto various SIPR sites and download slides to toss into the daily or weekly PowerPoint. You will also likely be in charge of security clearances and all classified material. This is just a bunch of paperwork.
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Apr 18, 2014 12:41
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If you're in a flying squadron you will work with the Weapons Officer to manage the classified vault, people who work in there, and materials. You'll deliver occasional briefings to aircrew, but usually assign one of your (2-3 if you're lucky) airmen to do it.
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goodness posted:There seems to be an interest in being a psychologist, anything she can get into to start with that. Behavioral Health might be in her future. Air Force and Navy train together and from what I could tell they had a lot of fun. Navy still blew the AF GPA wise out of the water though  I actually worked for a clinical psychologist that started out as enlisted, finished her school at night, got commissioned, and finished her Ph. D. before leaving the AF as an officer. I cant share much of the enlisted schooling though, after we covered the DSM with the AF the Navy splits away into its own 2 month program where we dump everything not dealing with Navy and learn our own poo poo. Had something to do with how every other branch relies on Navy BHTs anyway for something or other. If she can commission as a psychologist that'd be dope.
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goodness posted:I think I am swinging her slowly toward AF or not joining at all, but.. If she's enlisted it's not a job she'll actually be doing until E-6 at the earliest. Her job will be getting coffee for the guys who send sattelite imagery to other people who actually just put them on desks with circles drawn on them saying "Bad guys or some deer"
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Pandasmores posted:Had something to do with how every other branch relies on Navy BHTs anyway for something or other. The TBI clinic at Benning has literally no army people there, enlisted or commissioned. They are all navy or civilians. My primary care person at the TBI clinic is a navy O3, and while she doesn't rave about it, being on an army post she says she gets away with a lot. Don't feeling like wearing the uniform today? gently caress it, scrubs and crocs. I suppose if she were navy psych she'd get more options of station, not that army posts are anything to crow about. Come to think of it, I've never seen an army psych dude ever. I'm sure they exist somewhere, but I haven't seen them.
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not caring here posted:The TBI clinic at Benning has literally no army people there, enlisted or commissioned. They are all navy or civilians. 
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lol For actual content, regarding goodness's friend wanting to be a psychologist in the AF, she's obviously not going to do that on the enlisted side, that requires a commission and typically you're going to get the necessary academic cred in the civilian world (i.e., four year degree plus a graduate degree at a minimum to be a social worker/counselor type or whatever) and then apply for a commission. Her best bet as far as enlisted jobs go would be be 4C0X1, I think it's called Mental Health Service Specialist now...basically what pandasmores was talking about, she'd do a lot of the clerical/support/intake work for the mental health clinic on base. Here's the official AF recruiting blurb on it. It has the advantage of being medical, which means it is relatively chill and low-stress as well as giving you some decent skills for life after the military (not as much as a truly niche medical job like radiology, but more than being a cop or a maintainer).
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To be a psychologist, you need a PhD. A low-level therapist or counselor generally requires a masters. What she should do is find the job that will drain her off-duty the least, get her bachelors degree while enlisted and use tuition assistance to pay for it, and save the GI Bill for grad school.
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Godholio posted:To be a psychologist, you need a PhD. A low-level therapist or counselor generally requires a masters. What she should do is find the job that will drain her off-duty the least, get her bachelors degree while enlisted and use tuition assistance to pay for it, and save the GI Bill for grad school. In reality, she's gonna get knocked up during tech school and then cross the bridge most every young female airman will have to make: do I keep the baby or ask the guy for abortion money?
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Chantilly Say posted:So, at the most basic level, what does an intel officer do day-to-day in the military? Particularly Navy. I have no illusions about writing briefings that go to the President's desk every morning--but presumably you do write briefings, and probably give some powerpoints that, at some point, someone may pay attention to. Or is it (as I heard once) just sitting in a windowless office in Maryland for four years. Things our (Navy aviation) Intel O does: - Manage classified material, keeping inventories and handling any transportation requirements for it. - Coordinate security clearance investigations and verify clearances. - Other security manager things, like setting safe combinations and making sure doors get locked. - Give briefs to the squadron about security management, current events, and other intel-related stuff. - Hang out in the operations office and make fun of the pilots. It's not a very stressful job, most of the time. When we embark on a carrier, he goes to work in the carrier intel center, making powerpoints, working weird hours with weird people, generally hating life.
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"What things make the Air Force better than the Army."
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goodness posted:"What things make the Air Force better than the Army." Short and most accurate answer, everything. No one should join the
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Air force has far better living conditions, you might actually do your job in the air force, no one will try and kill you with stupid PT that will eventually break your body, no ruck marches, no fixation on being a high speed delta operator superstar even if all you do is count supplies all day, and most importantly you don't have to put up with army people.
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Your answers are so great and really, thank you for helping so far. You guys have a very entertaining subforum.
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goodness posted:"What things make the Air Force better than the Army." Not being in the Army. I hate a lot of things about the AF, but I would've blown my head off at least a year ago if I'd spent the past 5 years as an Army officer.
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The quality of life really is leagues above the Army. My cousin was infantry, ended up leaving as an E-4. Had to endure all kinds of idiotic poo poo, like having a weapon issued stateside despite not ever using it for anything, having to wear his uniform off-duty, living in a barracks, etc etc etc. In comparison, I live in what is essentially a Motel 6 with a shared bathroom and kitchenette. I also only have to wear my uniform to work, except for special poo poo like ceremonies or whatever that don't happen often in my very tiny unit.
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I had an air force recruiter tell me that the acceptance rate for rated officers is about 60% now, and a lot lower for non-rated officers, is this true? I thought it was low for every type of officer, and they even cancelled one (maybe two?) of the rated boards. I don't know how accurate it is, but my impression was that being an air force pilot was one of the better jobs in the military; I guess there's a risk of joining rated but not being selected as a pilot, but I have no idea what the risk is or what the other rated positions are like. But the Navy has pilot positions too, how does that compare? It sounds like it would be easier and faster to get in, but might be less ideal, it's not something I've looked into much. I had a few family members who are/were in the military, their opinions ranging from great to terrible, so I haven't been able to get an objective idea of what it's like.
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FYI the USAF recently changed up the way they do rated job preferences...it used to be that you could pick and choose which of the rated jobs you wanted to board for. So if you wanted to just be a CSO or ABM, you could select just those two and not board for pilot or RPA operator. They changed it for AFROTC a year or two ago to where you had to put all four boards down...in rank order, but you had to put all four down. That model has since expanded to both USAFA and OTS so regardless of commissioning source you WILL be boarded for all four rated career fields. So if you want to be a pilot you run the risk of not getting pilot but being picked up for RPAs.
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Positronic Spleen posted:I don't know how accurate it is, but my impression was that being an air force pilot was one of the better jobs in the military; I guess there's a risk of joining rated but not being selected as a pilot, but I have no idea what the risk is or what the other rated positions are like. It is. Being rated, in general, is just better. There a certain things you can do that will probably increase your chances in getting a pilot slot over the other three options. For example, getting your PPL will, doing well on the "pilot" sections of the AFOQT will greatly increase your chances, and not being an idiot on the BATS. A recruiter would have a breakdown of the numbers that go into selecting people for rated jobs. Just beef up the pilot numbers. Someone who actually does these jobs can correct me, but from a pilot's perspective: CSO/Nav - Chase charts, run the FMS. Makes sure the jet gets to where is needs to be during complicated phases of flight. Run offensive/defensive countermeasures. Probably will start to see less and less of them in heavies in the coming years as their cockpits get upgraded. ABM - Tries to get people to fly into mountains. Tactical ATC. Run the air war. Technology is getting to the point where they can just be on the ground and direct stuff. RPA - Sitting in trailers in lovely locations, but you're actually "flying" something and you're home every night that you aren't deployed. Being aircrew is a decent gig. Depending on what jet you fly, you could never be home or you could be home, but be at work for 16 hours a day.
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TheOtherGypsy posted:RPA - Sitting in trailers in lovely locations, but you're actually "flying" something and you're home every night that you aren't deployed. Locations aren't that bad...Cannon and Holloman blow, but the rest aren't that terrible (maybe Whiteman falls in the terrible category, I dunno). Yeah, the drive to Creech sucks, but you get to live in Vegas. Ellsworth is fine as long as you like the outdoors, I've heard nothing but good things about Syracuse and supposedly the new Tennessee ANG MCE is in a pretty nice location. They're also starting to expand as far as MCE locations go...a MCE is standing up at Hurlburt as we speak and there's a few other options coming down the pipe. With the Global Chicken Grand Forks sucks but Beale is nice. As far as deployments go, you won't deploy all that much unless you want to. Home station ops tempo as far as the flyers go isn't awesome but it's not horrible, way better than it was a year or two ago.
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Update guys: Still deciding on Air Force vs. Army Interested in being a Cryptologic Linguist. Anyone in this field.
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goodness posted:Update guys: There is an entire thread on that field. Find the DLI thread and learn of the horror Edit found it http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3319492
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goodness posted:Update guys: Everyone who made this decision got it wrong when they joined the Army. This shouldn't even be a question.
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goodness posted:Still deciding on Air Force vs. Army What was her reason for discounting the Navy or Coast Guard? She should choice the AF but, for the love of all, tell her not to go Army.
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Nick Soapdish posted:What was her reason for discounting the Navy or Coast Guard? She should choice the AF but, for the love of all, tell her not to go Army. She is deathly afraid of boats and the ocean I guess. Doing everything I can to prevent her from joining the army.
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Tell her that the army is where all the retards go, and if she goes to the army then clearly she is also a retard.
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