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KittyEmpress posted:Hulk beat up literally everyone because he's angry enough to do so He did do that for a whole week last year. I think every hero deserves one week of completely glitched out OP nonsense. I'm hoping something goes horribly wrong with wolverine's 52 rework that results in an amazing glitch to get me through these last ~17 cosmic levels.
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Apr 22, 2014 17:44
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jubelio posted:Don't take the trolling serious =) This is pretty much it. Bewildering should be fixed, but since it's essentially the structure holding together an otherwise underwhelming character they would hopefully look at everything as a whole before just fixing it. And going back to the patch note stuff, I think a lot of the problem isn't the patch notes specifically, but how many of the mechanics of the game are so hard to determine. nickhimself mentioned PVP (and it's not nearly as horrible as a lot of dudes make it out) but you can't really find what the abilities do in PVP. And there's no real combat log, so you can't see what's actually causing the most damage or if the typed damage actually means anything or anything. Power interactions, the various buffs...pretty much all of it is guesswork.
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Apr 22, 2014 17:50
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Good buffs all around, pumped for the weekend event. Have they said what it's going to be? Also, anyone have an extra advanced pym's laying around? I could chuck some (bad) runes at you or something, dunno.
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Apr 22, 2014 18:01
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alansmithee posted:And going back to the patch note stuff, I think a lot of the problem isn't the patch notes specifically, but how many of the mechanics of the game are so hard to determine. nickhimself mentioned PVP (and it's not nearly as horrible as a lot of dudes make it out) but you can't really find what the abilities do in PVP. And there's no real combat log, so you can't see what's actually causing the most damage or if the typed damage actually means anything or anything. Power interactions, the various buffs...pretty much all of it is guesswork. Its all part of the transparent information 'pie' Things that a game with "serious raid encounters" should have: Combat logs Heavily customizable UI UI support for every single buff and debuff in the game Things that a game with "esports" should have: Detailed match recaps Replays Kill recaps ("what killed me?") Which side won on the match recap, LOL Edit: this one is controversial, but if its gonna be a real esport, it cannot be a hacked up port of the pve experience. Things that both should have: Detailed and explained patch notes Some sort of support for 3rd party data compiling sites(mh compendium is all word of mouth and screenshots) A functional UI. Not even any frills, just simple stuff that they have yet to implement.
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Apr 22, 2014 18:01
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Savage Axe of Ares seems pretty cool, but I think for melee Ms. Marvel Gungnir looks to be the champ. I'm pretty excited for the hybrid gearing for her, hopefully that results in some buffs for her unique S4 and S5, which seem to lag a little bit behind the others.
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Apr 22, 2014 18:02
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Melee Ms. Marvel is still tossing around a few Energy attacks.
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Apr 22, 2014 18:03
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Babyface Mingo posted:Good buffs all around, pumped for the weekend event. Have they said what it's going to be? The list of events are in this post: http://forums.marvelheroes.com/discussion/85285/advance-patch-notes-for-this-week-9/p1
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Apr 22, 2014 18:09
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Soothing Vapors posted:This is the first time I have regretted my ban. I want to click Insightful so bad. Don't worry, the rest of us will soon be banned for spamming Insightful.
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Apr 22, 2014 18:10
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So 7 daily gifts? What was More Cowbell again? Largepotato posted:Don't worry, the rest of us will soon be banned for spamming Insightful. We better Disagree a bunch to balance it out.
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Apr 22, 2014 18:10
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Aphrodite posted:Melee Ms. Marvel is still tossing around a few Energy attacks. Yeah, I couldn't imagine that she'd be anywhere near as effective without Photonic Wave, and the signature is a nice one point bonus, even if you're otherwise full melee.
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Apr 22, 2014 18:12
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Tortolia posted:Yeah, I couldn't imagine that she'd be anywhere near as effective without Photonic Wave, and the signature is a nice one point bonus, even if you're otherwise full melee. Crashdown is also Energy.
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Apr 22, 2014 18:18
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Signature is good because of the damage reduction and spamming of Photonic Wave to get back more HP, the damage is just a bonus. I'm not sure anything in this patch is going to change how I gear the current melee Ms. Marvel. Still going to roll with Madame Hydra medallion in groups, Gungnir (which I finally got to R5).
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Apr 22, 2014 18:18
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RIP 25% life cores, gonna have to save eggs for life on hit now.
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Apr 22, 2014 18:20
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Swagger Dagger posted:RIP 25% life cores, gonna have to save eggs for life on hit now. If you take the extremes of a 35k hp colossus popping a health pack, thats something in the neighborhood of a 55% healing reduction per pack. With that much of a reduction I hope that they can adjust spike damage accordingly.
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Apr 22, 2014 18:23
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Soothing Vapors posted:Now it's your turn: what exactly will "prepare" you for spending $5 on a video game? I am picturing intense meditation and lots of crying Well I have to find a barely clad virtual heroess that is good fapping material for one and.... Seriously, between BF4, D3 and this I am not sure how much playtime this will get, so I am trying to judge how well this game scratches my itch for hack and slash. I also have trouble understanding the different materials and crafting stuff and especially the stats. But once i figured it out, I may invest. I want me a spiderman... Hopper fucked around with this message at 18:42 on Apr 22, 2014 |
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Apr 22, 2014 18:23
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Hopper posted:I also have trouble understanding the different materials and crafting stuff and especially the stats. But once i figured it out, I may invest. I want me a spiderman... This game is about big explosions and killing screens full of dudes. Regarding crafting and other materials, put your relics in your stash, leave the crafting materials on the ground(at high levels the max rank crafting materials will drop very frequently and are all backwards compatible). Dont sell stuff, donate to the crafting vendor. Get invited to the super group and ask in superchat if you should keep something if you are worried it might be valuable. I can superinvite to the supergroup, usually in game in the evenings around 8:30pm eastern ign is same as forum name(any devs that want an invite are welcome too) jubelio fucked around with this message at 18:37 on Apr 22, 2014 |
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Apr 22, 2014 18:27
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How exactly does BOGO work? Specifically, is it like the random hero boxes where you can get an ult token for a hero you already have?
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Apr 22, 2014 18:31
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Zombie Samurai posted:How exactly does BOGO work? Specifically, is it like the random hero boxes where you can get an ult token for a hero you already have? Yes, you get a box that generates a random token.
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Apr 22, 2014 18:35
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Zombie Samurai posted:How exactly does BOGO work? Specifically, is it like the random hero boxes where you can get an ult token for a hero you already have? You get a free random hero box when you buy a hero with Gs ingame, so yes.
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Apr 22, 2014 18:36
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So what happens if I buy a hero and get the same hero/another I already have?
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Apr 22, 2014 18:44
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Righto. Guess I'll sit on my splinters for now. I've got my Nightcrawler up to 50, and is it just me or does he scale really well? I had some trouble killing things in the 30-40 range when I switched my build to full AoE, but now he murders everything almost effortlessly. I remember some of the Superheroic and red terminal bosses being a huge pain as Cap, but NC can just poop Infernal Brimstone everywhere and run around in circles. I'm really kinda shocked at how much damage his AoEs do even now. Might have something to do with the face I've found his slot 1 unique THREE times, each being a huge upgrade in damage over the last one and other gear at that level.
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Apr 22, 2014 18:47
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Hopper posted:So what happens if I buy a hero and get the same hero/another I already have? You get an ult token for that character.
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Apr 22, 2014 18:49
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Hopper posted:So what happens if I buy a hero and get the same hero/another I already have? You can use the token to upgrade their ultimate power instead of getting a new hero.  Zombie Samurai posted:Righto. Guess I'll sit on my splinters for now. Nightcrawler becomes a freaking beast once he's leveled up and has all his powers (and more spirit/better spirit management). He straight up murders whole screens of guys, drop Infernal Brimstone, Flash N Grab everything into it, if (IF) the elites aren't dead from all that damage and DOT then Shadowmeld and Dive Bomb, and now they are. For bosses I Shadowmeld, Dive Bomb them, Infernal Brimstone, then Swashbuckler Slash and they just melt. Some people use X-Slash instead but I don't like being reliant on spirit to be able to do damage, and in places like X-Def where you might not necessarily be targeted Pym's Shrinking Serum is much less of a free spirit item. And Sashbuckler is pretty competitive with the inbuilt +Crit if you gear for crit rating/damage to begin with.
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Apr 22, 2014 18:52
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WarLocke posted:Some people use X-Slash instead but I don't like being reliant on spirit to be able to do damage, and in places like X-Def where you might not necessarily be targeted Pym's Shrinking Serum is much less of a free spirit item. And Sashbuckler is pretty competitive with the inbuilt +Crit if you gear for crit rating/damage to begin with. The last time someone posted some cold hard  numbers X-Slash was well over twice the total damage of Swashbuckler so I dunno if I'd call it competitive.
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Jowy posted:The last time someone posted some cold hard X-Slash does no damage when you're out of spirit.  You can kill things really loving fast with Swashbuckler, therefore it's 'competitive'. Sure you can go fastER with X-Slash, but I prefer knowing that I can ALWAYS be going 'fast enough' instead of being stuck not able to attack.
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This weekend is going to be amazing. Everyone talking about NC has nearly convinced me to pick him up during BOGO. I did pretty well with the last BOGO, but haven't even played any of the heroes I bought yet. I might have a small problem. (edit: actually a big problem, because giant Taskmaster owns) If they manage to fix the bizarre performance issues it would really take this game to the next level for me. Sometimes it runs just fine, then other times it's a mess, I don't really get it. I've tried turning the graphics down, but as people have said, it actually seems to make things worse? Or at least not any better. That graphic update thing is still a WIP right? Not coming out this week?
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Apr 22, 2014 19:03
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Jowy posted:The last time someone posted some cold hard Yeah, X-Slash is far and away his best sing target skill. He'd be better off just slotting X-slash and the one basic NC comes with a point in that generates spirit.
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Apr 22, 2014 19:06
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WarLocke posted:X-Slash does no damage when you're out of spirit. That's what PSS and River of the Soul are for.  Seriously with both of those I can't recall the last time I ran out of spirit even in X-Defense. Swashbuckler stops being competitive when you start hitting things that actually have HP is the big problem with it, though I have both maxed in my current build because I'm too much of a lazy gently caress to retcon and it was from those horrible days back when I had neither PSS or a runeword to help with spirit issues.
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PoultryHammock posted:Yeah, X-Slash is far and away his best sing target skill. He'd be better off just slotting X-slash and the one basic NC comes with a point in that generates spirit. Or just 20-point a basic and still poo poo out damage like a furry blue cuisinart. e: This is a stupid argument anyway. Do what you want, I'm just not going to rely on spirit-return mechanics to try to leverage a basicless build when the basics in question are plenty good enough themselves and the only time you can't use them is if you're dead. It also frees you up from having to devote multiple artifact/runeword/whatever slots just for making sure you have the spirit to skip using a basic attack, so you can instead use those slots to bulk up or increase your damage output. WarLocke fucked around with this message at 19:12 on Apr 22, 2014 |
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WarLocke posted:X-Slash does no damage when you're out of spirit. It seems like the better option would be to fix the spirit issues and if you still manage to run out of spirit, to use a basic during those infrequent events. As far as freeing up item slots by not relying on spirit regen, there isn't really a single item that's going to provide you a factor of 2 in damage, not even close. But yes, you can do whatever you want, but there's definitely a more optimal solution to running out of spirit then to not use an attack that's roughly double the damage because it costs spirit. Spudsly fucked around with this message at 19:16 on Apr 22, 2014 |
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So obviously the numbers aren't entered or estimated here, but I've updated all of the medallions to be changed so everyone can start planning out what they're going to use once this patch rolls out.
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That's really cool, I hope it opens up a lot more of them to be viable. EDIT: Ahahaha they finally got around to forum banning me. It'd be cool if it were better implemented than you just can't log in. Does that mean I won't be able to redeem any codes if they do them this weekend? Senor Candle fucked around with this message at 19:33 on Apr 22, 2014 |
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WarLocke posted:Or just 20-point a basic and still poo poo out damage like a furry blue cuisinart. Yeah, as long as you're doing Infernal Brimstone/Flash & Grab/Dive Bomb, everything else is just gravy. I'm an X-Slash guy but the higher I go, the less damage it contributes because I don't want to be sitting still in the face of potential burst damage. I haven't run out of spirit in the last few hours of play just because I'm not really using any single-target skills now.
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Apr 22, 2014 19:23
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NC's single-target stuff only has to last as long as Obscuring Brimstone.
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Unsure about this, but while Invisibile woman won't be randomable (that's a word now) with BOGO, if you do buy her with Gs you'll still get a random hero (chance) as part of BOGO, right? Sweet christmas, this weekend will be awesome. Too bad I'm going away for most of it (please tell me it's from like, thursday to tuesday)
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Apr 22, 2014 19:35
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Will Dr. Strange be participating in this BOGO hero event? If so, I may pick him up and get a sweet free hero (I already have Thing, how bad could it be?).
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Man that nerf to the 25% medkits core really, really sucks. I could maybe see why they changed the LL cores but they really should have left the medkit affix alone.
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Disco Bandit posted:Will Dr. Strange be participating in this BOGO hero event? If so, I may pick him up and get a sweet free hero (I already have Thing, how bad could it be?). Buying a hero just gives you a standard hero box, so every hero currently in game has a chance to pop out. I have gotten 2 Thing tokens from those things.
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AHungryRobot posted:Man that nerf to the 25% medkits core really, really sucks. I could maybe see why they changed the LL cores but they really should have left the medkit affix alone. Why? I feel like they explained their reasoning pretty well.
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