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Mercury Crusader posted:Dear WotC, make two new sets to shove into a Legends block like you did with Coldsnap for Ice Age block. Keep the overpriced multicolored legendary creatures and crazy artwork style of the day. Maybe a few new kobolds that say "Counts as a red card" in the text box. They did this, it was called Time Spiral block, and it was awesome fanservice but something we will never get again 
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Most joke formats like that are funny until someone actually tries, and realizes it's breakable.
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Apr 22, 2014 19:18
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Tharizdun posted:They did this, it was called Time Spiral block, and it was awesome fanservice but something we will never get again That's a shame. They should revisit Ulgrotha so we can see how Baron Sengir is doing. I bet he's still ruling over the plane like a boss while Joven hangs out with his ferrets I guess.
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Apr 22, 2014 19:21
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Mercury Crusader posted:That's a shame. They should revisit Ulgrotha so we can see how Baron Sengir is doing. I bet he's still ruling over the plane like a boss while Joven hangs out with his ferrets I guess. In fact, starting with the new card face, they've done lots of "revisit, but fixed" sets: Antiquities -> Mirrodin Legends -> Kamigawa Fallen Empires -> Lorwyn Homelands and The Dark -> Innistrad Arabian Nights -> Shadowmoor/Eventide (storybook cards) Shrecknet fucked around with this message at 19:26 on Apr 22, 2014 |
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Apr 22, 2014 19:23
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Tharizdun posted:I can't tell if you're being obliquely sly, but they went back to Ulgrotha as well, only called it Innistrad and made it completely awesome and not lovely. I always thought Homelands had good flavor unfortunately bogged down with lovely cards that weren't named Merchant Scroll. 
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Apr 22, 2014 19:24
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Entropic posted:The first four expansions are absolutely full of insane garbage. When I started out back with Ice Age and Fallen Empires, even then we'd look back at the "old" cards (from last year) and wonder how the hell half the cards in Legends and The Dark happened. I dunno if that's fair to Antiquities, that set actually largely made internal sense.
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Apr 22, 2014 19:26
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Mercury Crusader posted:I always thought Homelands had good flavor unfortunately bogged down with lovely cards that weren't named Merchant Scroll. You're forgetting the best card in Homelands limited.
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Apr 22, 2014 19:26
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Mercury Crusader posted:I always thought Homelands had good flavor unfortunately bogged down with lovely cards that weren't named Merchant Scroll. Homelands really didn't have good flavor. It was generic "oooh spooky vampire lord and some clerics running around!" fantasy claptrap. It also features a card that has regeneration with art of someone with scars on their face. Because yeah, a guy who heals from wounds should have permanent wounds? And there was still tons of stuff that doesn't make sense or is a flavor whiff that by revisiting Homelands, you'd have to either ignore or lampshade such a huge swath of it that it would no longer be recognizable. I'd much rather go back to Jamuraa or Kjeldor. What is the flavor win of Dwarven Pony, Ebony Rhino or Aysen Highway? Serra Alchemist? The cards were all hot garbage with a generic BBEG black villain and I guess people have decided Autumn Willow was the good guy/gal? Shrecknet fucked around with this message at 19:31 on Apr 22, 2014 |
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Apr 22, 2014 19:29
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Tharizdun posted:And there was still tons of stuff that doesn't make sense or is a flavor whiff that by revisiting Homelands, you'd have to either ignore or lampshade such a huge swath of it that it would no longer be recognizable. I'd much rather go back to Jamuraa or Kjeldor. Isn't Jamuraa like permanently phased out or something? And we went back to Kjeldor, it was in Coldsnap. That said, I do want to go back to Dominaria to see if it's still totally hosed up.
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Apr 22, 2014 19:31
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Tharizdun posted:It also features a card that has regeneration with art of someone with scars on their face. Because yeah, a guy who heals from wounds should have permanent wounds? 
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Tharizdun posted:And there was still tons of stuff that doesn't make sense or is a flavor whiff that by revisiting Homelands, you'd have to either ignore or lampshade such a huge swath of it that it would no longer be recognizable. I'd much rather go back to Jamuraa or Kjeldor.
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Mercury Crusader posted:I always thought Homelands had good flavor unfortunately bogged down with lovely cards that weren't named Merchant Scroll. Honestly, all the old sets (except Legends once you actually find out how they designed it) have pretty great flavor. Fallen Empires having civilization utterly collapse was a pretty great setting, and wasted on a small set. Like, this is just fantastic flavor: 
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Magic didn't really have solid creative direction until at least Fallen Empires and Ice Age. The early sets are mostly a huge messy collection of standard Fantasy / D&D tropes and random insanity. I think they went back after the fact and tried to wrap some sort of loose story around the cards, but with the exception of Antiquities, none of the early sets really had any kind of solid theme or story. (OK, Arabian Nights had a solid theme, but that's because it was just directly copying an existing non-Magic setting.) You couldn't really do "Return to Legends" very well, because Legends never had a real story or setting in the first place.
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Tharizdun posted:Homelands really didn't have good flavor. It was generic "oooh spooky vampire lord and some clerics running around!" fantasy claptrap. It also features a card that has regeneration with art of someone with scars on their face. Because yeah, a guy who heals from wounds should have permanent wounds? Homelands was bad, bad, bad. It drafted poorly, was worthless in constructed, and even collectors hated it because of the double artwork. The attempt at flavor was a terrible mishmash of cards that didn't fit together. Before long, almost everyone was referring to Homelands by replacing the e with a different vowel. quote:You're forgetting the best card in Homelands limited. Bonus: what was the worst card in Homelands limited? http://magiccards.info/hl/en/111.html
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Gynovore posted:This reminds me of a format called "awful magic" a bunch of dudes came up with many, many years ago. 60 cards, 2 colors; for each color, 10 land, 10 different creatures, 10 different noncreature. The total power of non- Yawgmoth Demon Phylactery Lich Boggart Mob Black Oak of Odunos Nim Shrieker Cemetery Gate Drift of the Dead Wall of Blood Wall of Corpses Wall of Shadows Wall of Tombstones Aphotic Wisps Cover of Darkness Dirge of Dread Fear Grisly Transformation Gruesome Deformity Hideous Visage Intimidation Shriek of Dread Sleeper's Guile Supreme Exemplar Chisei, Heart of Oceans Dormant Gormazoa Ronom Serpent Apprentice Wizard Azami, Lady of Scrolls Balduvian Conjurer Enclave Cryptologist Magus of the Bazaar Vedalken Archmage Argivian Restoration Artificer's Intuition Blinkmoth Infusion Drafna's Restoration Fabricate Machinate Magnetic Flux Override Power Artifact Reconstruction 10 Swamp 10 Island
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Ultima66 posted:Format doesn't actually work. This was a loooooooong time ago. We're talking Rath block. The pool of lovely cards was much, much smaller.
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Apr 22, 2014 19:41
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Kalli posted:Honestly, all the old sets (except Legends once you actually find out how they designed it) have pretty great flavor. Fallen Empires having civilization utterly collapse was a pretty great setting, and wasted on a small set. Fallen Empires was a set of fantastic flavour and awful, boring, unfun card design. There's about three interesting cards in the whole set, Goblin Grenade, High Tide and Hymn to Tourach. There's a reason FE packs sat on shelves for years afterwards.
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Portal: Second Age was really cool. We should go back to that a couple times. Maybe bring along a couple Powered Armors for maximum value.
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Boring hypothetical but lets say they did let Dack Fayden be standard playable. Would it see play? +1 filters through deck quickly for what you need. -2 ability is pretty much worthless in standard currently. -6 is pretty sweet. Doesn't defend itself. Doesn't do anything really to the board.
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Entropic posted:Fallen Empires was a set of fantastic flavour and awful, boring, unfun card design. There's about three interesting cards in the whole set, Goblin Grenade, High Tide and Hymn to Tourach. I cannot even believe you're BMing on Mindstab Thrull and Icatian Javelineers like that.
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rabidsquid posted:I cannot even believe you're BMing on Mindstab Thrull and Icatian Javelineers like that. Don't forget about the pump knights and Night Soil!
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Apr 22, 2014 20:08
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Are Dragon Shields still cut all hosed up or are they better now? I'm looking for some new sleeves and have used Dragon Shields for years. I don't like the foil stamp that Ultra Pro puts on the front of theirs. However, I haven't played for about 10 years, so all the new lines of accessories are lost on me.
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PRADA SLUT posted:Are Dragon Shields still cut all hosed up or are they better now? KMC Hyper Mat.
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Wrote a short prerelease intro if someone is interest, in the Limited thread: http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3361226&pagenumber=349#post428647057 Mostly about the promos really.
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Kalli posted:Honestly, all the old sets (except Legends once you actually find out how they designed it) have pretty great flavor. Fallen Empires having civilization utterly collapse was a pretty great setting, and wasted on a small set. I like Fallen Empires a whole lot, and the storytelling through the Sarpadian Empires was really cool. The idea of colors warring with themselves is something I can't think of having seen since (at least as the "primary antagonists" of a block) and it really was awesome that in the end, not only do the Thrulls win, they become so virulent that even when the Weatherlight Crew (or Lim-Dul, I don't remember) show up years later, they're like, "nah, we're good, let's just wall off Sarpadia"
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ScarletBrother posted:KMC Hyper Mat. Are these durable? Some of the early Ultra Pro ones (in about 2003 when they started doing "foil" backs) I hated because I would split sleeves nonstop. And I know how to side-shuffle with sleeves My favorite sleeves I ever had were some kind with a triangular foil stamp in the corner, and in 2001 they only came in black and green. Anyone know what I'm talking about?
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PRADA SLUT posted:Are these durable? Some of the early Ultra Pro ones (in about 2003 when they started doing "foil" backs) I hated because I would split sleeves nonstop. And I know how to side-shuffle with sleeves I have 3 Modern decks double sleeved in Hyper Mats. I have never had one split. They're very durable and easy to shuffle. I don't even consider buying any other brand. Ultra-Pro sleeves are poo poo.
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PRADA SLUT posted:Are Dragon Shields still cut all hosed up or are they better now? They still come all hosed up. KMC has some new REALLY loving nice sleeves. I'd go hog wild and double sleeve and never have to worry about your cards again.
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rabidsquid posted:I cannot even believe you're BMing on Mindstab Thrull and Icatian Javelineers like that. Did either of these ever show up in any format that isn't Pauper?
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KidDynamite posted:They still come all hosed up. KMC has some new REALLY loving nice sleeves. I'd go hog wild and double sleeve and never have to worry about your cards again. I'll check them out. I have some KMC Perfect Fit for my board game cards, and they were like a really nice penny sleeve.
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Entropic posted:Did either of these ever show up in any format that isn't Pauper? Icatian Javelineer was played in Boros lists in RAV - TSP standard.
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Ever since someone pointed it out in this thread, it seriously bothers me that Pin to the Earth doesn't make the creature lose flying.
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Entropic posted:Did either of these ever show up in any format that isn't Pauper? I don't understand this post that's insinuating Pauper isn't the best format.
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rabidsquid posted:I don't understand this post that's insinuating Pauper isn't the best format. I just lump Pauper in with Vintage in the category of "cool formats no one plays for various reasons".
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PRADA SLUT posted:I'll check them out. I have some KMC Perfect Fit for my board game cards, and they were like a really nice penny sleeve. I don't know if I'm interpreting you right or not, but Perfect Fits are actually used as a sleeve that goes inside a normal sleeve for added protection. They're not intended to be used on their own. Entropic posted:I just lump Pauper in with Vintage in the category of "cool formats no one plays for various reasons". One of my friends is trying to get me to buy into online Pauper, and I've got to say, it looks really cool. It seems like Izzet Blitz would be really strong in that format.
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Bosushi! posted:I don't know if I'm interpreting you right or not, but Perfect Fits are actually used as a sleeve that goes inside a normal sleeve for added protection. They're not intended to be used on their own. I know, but for board games, I use them on their own since it's a size/protection tradeoff. I'm talking about cards for games like Agricola and Twilight Struggle, not anything collectible.
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Entropic posted:Fallen Empires was a set of fantastic flavour and awful, boring, unfun card design. There's about three interesting cards in the whole set, Goblin Grenade, High Tide and Hymn to Tourach. Part of it was also that it was the first set where they had the production to actually match demand and give stores every last card they asked for, where previously they had to settle with giving stores only a percentage of their ask which led to stores asking for way more product than they needed just to get a decent amount. Stores asked for way more FE than they needed and Wizards gave it to them. Then put that on top of the fact that demand for the set was even lower than expected because most of the set was worthless and the only good cards were all at common, you could acquire a playset of all the relevant cards in less than a single box. Bosushi! posted:It seems like Izzet Blitz would be really strong in that format. If you're talking about the UR deck that has creatures that self pump when you cast instants or sorceries, it's a solid tier 2 deck. Two color decks usually have problematic mana bases in Pauper though because almost all your fixing either comes into play tapped or costs mana.
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ScarletBrother posted:I have 3 Modern decks double sleeved in Hyper Mats. I have never had one split. They're very durable and easy to shuffle. I don't even consider buying any other brand. Ultra-Pro sleeves are poo poo. I just split my first Hyper Mat today with a mash shuffle although I've been using them regularly since they first showed up (6 months ago?). The rest of them look great though, the backs don't get the scratch marks that Dragon Shields get from mash shuffling and the fronts are still crystal clear unless you really look closely and try to find any scratches. They do get the little bits of gunk from your gross hands/LGS tables on the front (never the back, unlike Dragon Shields) but they clean up fine with a little bit of effort. I'm in the process of switching my constructed decks over to all Hyper Mats, it's taking a little bit becasue they're on the pricy side and can be hard to find locally. I prefer Ultra Pro Pro Mattes for limited since they're cheap and will last me a few months without needing to be replaced. KidDynamite posted:They still come all hosed up. KMC has some new REALLY loving nice sleeves. I'd go hog wild and double sleeve and never have to worry about your cards again. Double sleeve cards all day erry day. On top of making the cards more salvageable in the case of stores that inexplicably allow uncapped beverages at tables, you also get to see all the grossness that would have ended up on your cards if you had left them single sleeved.
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I'm allowed to badmouth Fallen Empires, my first deck was built around Breeding Pit and Ebon Praetor.  Promoted Pawn posted:Part of it was also that it was the first set where they had the production to actually match demand and give stores every last card they asked for, where previously they had to settle with giving stores only a percentage of their ask which led to stores asking for way more product than they needed just to get a decent amount. Stores asked for way more FE than they needed and Wizards gave it to them.
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PRADA SLUT posted:I know, but for board games, I use them on their own since it's a size/protection tradeoff. I'm talking about cards for games like Agricola and Twilight Struggle, not anything collectible. I know that you can get board game sleeves to match the size of the cards, my local store carries sleeves for pretty much every game they sell, so if you play a lot I'd advise you to look into that.
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