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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:Re: Tiger The picture was clearly trolling.
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One thing I don't understand: wouldn't concealed carry be higher than open carry on the list of "planes of gun ownership utopia"?
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Apr 25, 2014 14:16
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Putin It In Mah rear end posted:One thing I don't understand: wouldn't concealed carry be higher than open carry on the list of "planes of gun ownership utopia"? Yeah I don't get it. In most places open carry was always legal. Except I do get it, because these guys want to conflate their fetish with human rights or something, they want it to be wrong for you not to love it.
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Apr 25, 2014 14:19
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Putin It In Mah rear end posted:One thing I don't understand: wouldn't concealed carry be higher than open carry on the list of "planes of gun ownership utopia"? I don't know for sure, but I imagine that probably way more people support concealed carry rather than open carry. Open carry people really start to get into the psychological dynamic of guns, where guns have an innate totemic ability to convey power onto their owner and are more potent as symbols rather than any kind of practical tool. We saw some guys like this from the window of my office in downtown Austin. There were these cops talking to this group of five or six guys carrying assault rifles and our first reaction wasn't "holy hell there's going to be a shootout" it was "oh look it's a bunch of gun nuts making a political statement." Sure enough, the next day there was an article in the paper about it. The thing is in Texas you are allowed to open carry any kind of long gun so they weren't breaking the law or anything, just making a whole shitload of people uncomfortable. zoux fucked around with this message at 14:23 on Apr 25, 2014 |
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Apr 25, 2014 14:20
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Concealed carry doesn't let you make Youtube videos about your police encounters.
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Apr 25, 2014 14:20
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What's the point of carrying a gun but not intimidating everyone around you?
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Apr 25, 2014 14:21
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Or threaten women that you disagree with. Open carry is pretty much exclusively for the dregs of 'gun culture'.
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Apr 25, 2014 14:22
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Mornacale posted:Yeah. There are a ton of white people who have simply never been called out on their racism, and thus don't even realize it when they're saying something unacceptable. On a recent visit home, my step-father was explaining how he's not going to let political correctness keep him from poking fun at people, like for instance having a laugh with "orientals" about their slanted eyes. I can only imagine Asian dudes laughing uncomfortably because it wouldn't go well for them to punch his lights out. I've also sat in the living room of a family friend while she explained that she wasn't racist, she just couldn't respect Those People who burned down Their neighborhoods in race riots in Pittsburgh. From last page, but I'd wager "having never been called out on their racism" also something that just generally occurs with a lot of rich, privileged people as well. It wasn't very long ago that I was arguing with a rich Asian guy at Dartmouth (who managed to do two study abroads, mind you) who was like "How is that racist" when I said "you know, your comments that black people need to 'change their culture' are pretty racist" and tried justifying it with anecdotes from Nicki Minaj on twitter talking about "white-shaming of high-achieving black pupils by their peers in predominantly black schools" and saying "NO MORE WHITE-SHAMING".
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Apr 25, 2014 14:27
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Women  quote:During a sermon on the Book of Peter delivered at the Christ Church of the Carolinas, Bowers said it was an “abominable idolatry” when wives love their children more than their husbands, arguing that’s what causes divorces most of the time. He added that in the “vast preponderance” of situations where men are adulterous, women are to blame because they have showered too much emotion on their children instead of their husbands.
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Apr 25, 2014 14:41
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Jerry Manderbilt posted:From last page, but I'd wager "having never been called out on their racism" also something that just generally occurs with a lot of rich, privileged people as well. It wasn't very long ago that I was arguing with a rich Asian guy at Dartmouth (who managed to do two study abroads, mind you) who was like "How is that racist" when I said "you know, your comments that black people need to 'change their culture' are pretty racist" and tried justifying it with anecdotes from Nicki Minaj on twitter talking about "white-shaming of high-achieving black pupils by their peers in predominantly black schools" and saying "NO MORE WHITE-SHAMING". A lot of Asian culture (specifically Chinese/Korean/Japanese) is built on light skin being more appealing though, so it's not just "I've never been called out on my racism" as "the culture I come from specifically promotes my racism".
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Apr 25, 2014 14:42
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ReidRansom posted:I don't recall who it was that was saying it, but they've stopped thinking of firearms as tools and have started treating them like totems. Less and less about defense or freedom or even offense or whatever other actual use and more about projecting some ridiculous image they've gotten in their heads. I mentioned something about that, having grown up on a farm with guns being an important tool, in a previous politics thread but I know I'm not the only one who has made that comparison. haveblue posted:What's the point of carrying a gun but not intimidating everyone around you? In this case there is also a large rather juvenile element of wanting to do something just because they were told they are not allowed to. In Texas open-carrying carrying long guns is A-OK but open carrying handguns is not. This group of chucklefucks has been wandering the state trying to gin up support so they can cosplay as Texas Rangers or some poo poo. They do things like stand on bridges over busy roads in Austin and cause traffic to slow down because of all the people rubbernecking at the dumbasses with the guns and sign. Really nobody cares because concealed carry permits are cheap and easy to get. It only becomes an issue in the current "I'm the most conservative conservative that ever conserved" GOP primary environment we have now.
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Apr 25, 2014 14:45
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For context, this guy is challenging Lindsay Graham in the primary. Any word on how he's doing? Because if he got nominated-- or even elected-- he would be a gold mine for Dems for years and years and years.
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Apr 25, 2014 14:45
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I just want to pop in here and point out that there's a very specific language that needs to be stamped out regarding American race and gender relations. Someone is not a racist. That person is racist. The things they said were racist. But those people generally support policies that are racist. It's a minor but important distinction. It isolates racism to an individual and a specific set of explicit beliefs while ignoring the racially biased outcomes of their beliefs that may not be as explicit.
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Apr 25, 2014 14:49
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Teddybear posted:For context, this guy is challenging Lindsay Graham in the primary. Any word on how he's doing? Because if he got nominated-- or even elected-- he would be a gold mine for Dems for years and years and years. Oh Graham is crushing them by like 30 points. Great_Gerbil posted:I just want to pop in here and point out that there's a very specific language that needs to be stamped out regarding American race and gender relations. Whoa dude take your definite articleism to Freep!
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Apr 25, 2014 14:50
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Jerry Manderbilt posted:I was arguing with a rich Asian guy at Dartmouth . . . who was like "How is that racist" when I said "you know, your comments that black people need to 'change their culture' are pretty racist"... rac·ism [rey-siz-uhm] noun 1. a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others. That. That is how it is racist. I feel like it might be worth my time to memorize this definition for whenever this debate inevitably pops up.
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Apr 25, 2014 14:50
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zoux posted:Oh Graham is crushing them by like 30 points. Everyone in SC knows he's gay and he's still going to cruise to a win because of how crazy they are.
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Apr 25, 2014 14:51
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Great_Gerbil posted:I just want to pop in here and point out that there's a very specific language that needs to be stamped out regarding American race and gender relations. Yep. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_8E3ENrKrQ  
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Apr 25, 2014 14:55
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radical meme posted:
But you can't tell a guy carrying a gun on the street or in the bar or in the supermarket that he makes you feel uncomfortable. You can't tell him he's a thug jackass. Maybe you can't even tell him "hey buddy, you cut me in line, wait your turn." You know why? because he has a gun and he could easily shoot you It's just more white guys who want unlimited power over everything they survey, and gently caress how the rest of society feels about anything. The threat of death to silence anyone who criticizes you on it. (And if I'm a black kid I don't even have the small comfort of knowing that he'll be prosecuted and punished for shooting me dead.)
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Apr 25, 2014 15:03
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So the cat is in the process of coming out of the bag: racism wasn't eradicated with the civil rights act (yeah I know duh). A large part of this country is racist, a portion of that to the extent where they feel slavery was preferable to how we live today. So the question is how do we as a country deal with this? Most of the white people in this country want to believe we live in a merit based society where race isn't a factor and bury their heads in the sand when prevented with the reality that isn't the case. What seems like a growing minority actively wants to return to a pre-civil rights America where racial minorities are legally a lower class of citizen (if even a citizen at all). Where do we go with that? We aren't going to change the minds of the Clive Bundies of the world and trying to make their opinions socially repellent has only created bubbles where they feel resentful and fester with each other in their disgusting beliefs. We have a SCOTUS that goes out of its way to roll back civil rights victories and politicians that every day feel more and more comfortable letting the dog whistling slip into straight whistling. I'm not sure how we combat this since even regular white people that aren't massively racist become incredibly defensive when anything that infers white privilege is a thing is mentioned. There's no real discussion on this topic except when a Bundy type lets loose a tirade and everyone acts shocked like it's never happened or that he's a one in a million type or makes excuses for him.
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Apr 25, 2014 15:05
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Obama 2012 posted:rac·ism [rey-siz-uhm] "B-but Nicki Minaj said it's true! WHITE-SHAMING"  And on another note, I still remember how a Rand Paul supporter from some lily-white part of Pittsburgh kept pestering me with the "NO WHERE ARE YOU REALLY FROM" canard. Gee, whodathunk!
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Apr 25, 2014 15:06
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Personally I can't wait until the first unintentional gun massacre where a backfiring car causes everyone in the vicinity to just start blindly shooting like the untrained civilians they are.
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Apr 25, 2014 15:08
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Radbot posted:Personally I can't wait until the first unintentional gun massacre where a backfiring car causes everyone in the vicinity to just start blindly shooting like the untrained civilians they are. I really don't think that would happen unless they removed the permit requirements on Open Carry. They're usually pretty docile when it comes to potentially losing "the precious" over an altercation.
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Apr 25, 2014 15:18
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radical meme posted:I never watch local news so unless something hits national or at least statewide level of news I often miss it but I stumbled on this little gem from April 7. Gun-rights group sets sights on Arlington ordinance which covers a group named Open Carry Texas, the first I'd heard of them but, I'm sure not the last. See my earlier post about a ritual totem rather than a tool. A fashion accessory. Jesus Christ what is next, nuclear fuel rods as sex toys?
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Apr 25, 2014 15:23
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Apr 25, 2014 15:24
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There is some justice in the world. Lee Atwater died at age 40 of Brain cancer.
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Apr 25, 2014 15:26
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Old racist Cliven Bundy thinks that the reason people are calling him a racist is that he said the word "negro" and not that he said the only thing "negros" were good for was picking cotton and that they would be better off as slaves.
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Apr 25, 2014 15:29
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mcmagic posted:Old racist Cliven Bundy thinks that the reason people are calling him a racist is that he said the word "negro" and not that he said the only thing "negros" were good for was picking cotton and that they would be better off as slaves. There really needs to be a word for the opposite of overthinking something.
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mcmagic posted:Old racist Cliven Bundy thinks that the reason people are calling him a racist is that he said the word "negro" and not that he said the only thing "negros" were good for was picking cotton and that they would be better off as slaves. Also that Martin Luther King and "Rosa Park" would support him. vvvvv Dead calf, which is also a thing that he literally did on camera. haveblue fucked around with this message at 15:43 on Apr 25, 2014 |
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Apr 25, 2014 15:38
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"You haven't asked me that question this morning..." "Well it's because you held up a dead cat." Seriously what the hell.
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Apr 25, 2014 15:40
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Defenestration posted:It's just more white guys who want unlimited power over everything they survey, and gently caress how the rest of society feels about anything. The threat of death to silence anyone who criticizes you on it. I feel like I'm projecting a bit, but I'm convinced that those who advocate open carry are fully aware that having a firearm on their person in full display at all times is a show of force.
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Apr 25, 2014 15:47
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Fried Chicken posted:A fashion accessory. Jesus Christ what is next, nuclear fuel rods as sex toys? As long as its an unused one and you use a thick condom, should be perfectly safe 
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Accretionist posted:There really needs to be a word for the opposite of overthinking something. "being a colossal retard"
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Apr 25, 2014 15:48
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Great_Gerbil posted:I just want to pop in here and point out that there's a very specific language that needs to be stamped out regarding American race and gender relations. I don't understand the distinction.
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Apr 25, 2014 15:51
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SedanChair posted:I don't understand the distinction. He's saying essentially that by calling someone A racist, as opposed to racist, it is more likely you will compartmentalize the racism displayed by an individual as simply a reflection of that one person rather than the broader racist culture that exists.
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Apr 25, 2014 15:56
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Yeah and it is waaaay the gently caress down the list of "things we need to do about racism" especially when we have a man on TV saying the things he said.
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Apr 25, 2014 15:57
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I have always viewed the usage of the term "negro" as not inherently racist, but so archaic and provincial that the only people using it in a racial context are unequivocally racists. Without exception. It's also used as a noun (e.g. "A black" as opposed to "A black person") for the same reason. It's like that who moved my cheese book. Reading it won't get you fired, but if your boss recommends it...
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Apr 25, 2014 16:00
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zoux posted:Yeah and it is waaaay the gently caress down the list of "things we need to do about racism" especially when we have a man on TV saying the things he said. Considering the extraordinary things he said, maybe the proper term is the racist
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Apr 25, 2014 16:01
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BUG JUG posted:He's saying essentially that by calling someone A racist, as opposed to racist, it is more likely you will compartmentalize the racism displayed by an individual as simply a reflection of that one person rather than the broader racist culture that exists. Oh, that sounds like a silly concept that must get bandied around a lot in academic circles until it's accepted as truth.
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FAUXTON posted:I have always viewed the usage of the term "negro" as not inherently racist, but so archaic and provincial that the only people using it in a racial context are unequivocally racists. Without exception. It's also used as a noun (e.g. "A black" as opposed to "A black person") for the same reason. I actually legit have this problem in real life whenever anyone here in America asks me about South Africa or especially about apartheid. There's no other English term for the Cape Coloureds (different from black people), it's the name of a distinct cultural group over there, it's how the group refers to themselves, and is not pejorative in any way...but if the person has never heard of them before, they get this look and I have to rush to explain "No no no no no it's not a term for black people and it's not old-fashioned and racist like 'Colored' is here I swear!" 
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BUG JUG posted:He's saying essentially that by calling someone A racist, as opposed to racist, it is more likely you will compartmentalize the racism displayed by an individual as simply a reflection of that one person rather than the broader racist culture that exists. I still don't get it - for example, he's racist, and I am not racist. That's okay, right?
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