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You know what's weird? It just struck me. I've heard gently caress all from right wing media about the bonuses that were paid to (often lovely) IRS employees, some of whom had tax problems of their own. When the news broke, I figured that poo poo would get beaten to death and even braced myself for it. What's going on with that I wonder? Seemed to be a story right in FOX News' wheelhouse.
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There were some political cartoons about it. I think Bundy has sucked all the oxygen out of the room though and it's utterly small potatoes besides what the right is already accusing the IRS of doing.
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Apr 25, 2014 20:30
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BiggerBoat posted:You know what's weird? It just struck me. I've heard gently caress all from right wing media about the bonuses that were paid to (often lovely) IRS employees, some of whom had tax problems of their own. When the news broke, I figured that poo poo would get beaten to death and even braced myself for it. What's going on with that I wonder? Seemed to be a story right in FOX News' wheelhouse. My local conservative morning program tried to hype it up the first day the story broke, but yeah, it really didn't generate as much outrage as I was expecting. I think they're just tacking it on to more IRS OPPRESSION of PATRIOTS, or whatever.
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Apr 25, 2014 20:37
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Are you excited? http://foxnewsinsider.com/2014/04/24/pot-culture-exposed-hannitys-stoned-america quote:From the medical dangers of marijuana to the growing calls for legalization, Sean Hannity takes an in-depth look at pot culture in the special, "Stoned America," airing this Friday on Fox News Channel.
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Apr 25, 2014 20:37
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So is the militia gathering still growing on Bundy's ranch?
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Apr 25, 2014 20:56
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I don't mind people being against weed, just like I don't mind people being against alcohol. Both can be vices and a personal crutch, I think everyone understands that mentality. I just love the attitude of 'dope makes you a fiend instantly' mindset. The idea that weed is addictive as crack and makes people act like they're on bath salts is just mind boggling to me. It just instantly outs you as ignorant of what you're talking about. It's also a great example of the double-think conservatives have. "Weed makes you a goofed out lazy hippy and also drives you into a drug fueled blood lust of insatiable addiction and violence."
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Apr 25, 2014 21:09
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Guilty Spork posted:A conversation about whether the federal government should own as much land as it does would be totally reasonable. It's not an issue I care about personally (being all city-fied and stuff), but the racist with weird delusions of the federal government not existing is very nearly the worst possible figurehead for it. There's some really hosed up ignorance loop going on with the GOP as a whole where their politicians want to feign like they have no idea there's a link between poo poo like Paul Ryans "inner city" and Cliven Bundys "Lemme tell ya about the negros" (despite the two nakedly being the exact same sentiment), and their base who don't realize there's supposed to be a difference because they're simmering in a right wing news bubble that's rapidly losing the point of these dog whistle terms because everyone agrees with them anyway, no one THEY talk to or read about bats an eye when they talk about those darn cities full of porch monkeys. I'm having trouble explaining that concisely, but basically I think the GOP ruling class created a true Frankenstein's Monster and the Monster is getting conflicting messages on what it's supposed to actually do: Is this a mad max struggle for the literal life of our country that's going to come to a violent head ANY SECOND NOW where a silent majority is being defeated by media tricks and rigged elections? or are we just having fun with all this racist poo poo and actually we're trying to win boring 1990's style elections where you have to actually do that campaigning thing where you have to acknowledge objective reality and voters who aren't as old and white as you are? Because in one of those scenarios I'm allowed to gather an armed militia of exclusively white people and tell them how slavery was great and in the other I can't. Well no one is really saying so I'll just do the fun one. Oops, hosed up again. HOW COULD THIS HAPPEN!?!?!
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Apr 25, 2014 21:22
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Intel&Sebastian posted:There's some really hosed up ignorance loop going on with the GOP as a whole where their politicians want to feign like they have no idea there's a link between poo poo like Paul Ryans "inner city" and Cliven Bundys "Lemme tell ya about the negros" (despite the two nakedly being the exact same sentiment), and their base who don't realize there's supposed to be a difference because they're simmering in a right wing news bubble that's rapidly losing the point of these dog whistle terms because everyone agrees with them anyway, no one THEY talk to or read about bats an eye when they talk about those darn cities full of porch monkeys. This whole situation is providing some really perverse hilarity because of this. Someone over in the US Politics thread posted a link to a Rich Lowry National Review article about how wrong Bundy's initial comments were, and there was several examples in the comments section by people who were so close and yet so far from having a real understanding of what was happening. The posts would start off saying that Bundy was conveying a very common sentiment in the conservative community, and the same sentiment as Paul Ryan had been, just in an "inartful" way. They'd then go on to mention how National Review had defended Ryan but was not defending Bundy, something that makes you think that some of these NR commenters had actually figured things out. Then it'd be followed with something like "So, obviously, Bundy's comments weren't racist", which would bring you back to your senses that these are NR commenters after all.
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Apr 25, 2014 21:38
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This seems like the best place to ask, so; Does anyone have, or would anyone be willing to make, a best of Cliven Bundy over the last 48 hours, including excerpts and direct links? I ask because this would be massively helpful to give out to my friends and family. Both to stymie his supporters who are ignorant of his views and to bolster allies dealing with the same. And while I know that die-hards wont be swayed, I deal a lot with people that will recoil from seeing such a person represent their party front and center.
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Apr 25, 2014 21:59
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Big Beef City posted:I don't mind people being against weed, just like I don't mind people being against alcohol. I really don't get what Fox has to gain from running a bunch of anti-pot propaganda. The only thing I can see is that they want to compete with CNBC's somewhat-neutral pot docuseries.
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Apr 25, 2014 22:00
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lil mortimer posted:I really don't get what Fox has to gain from running a bunch of anti-pot propaganda. The only thing I can see is that they want to compete with CNBC's somewhat-neutral pot docuseries. Fox's core audience is easily frightened old white people. They probably saw Reefer Madness when it was new.
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Apr 25, 2014 22:02
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StandardVC10 posted:Fox's core audience is easily frightened old white people. They probably saw Reefer Madness when it was new.
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Apr 25, 2014 22:03
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Who What Now posted:This seems like the best place to ask, so; http://crooksandliars.com/taxonomy/term/54216 Alright its a leftie website, but its just all the media clips they have put up about it. So its one click away to watch them
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Apr 25, 2014 22:09
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lil mortimer posted:Are you excited? I can't wait until it comes out that weed makes black dudes have sex with white ladies. 
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Apr 25, 2014 22:12
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Phone posted:I can't wait until it comes out that weed makes black dudes have sex with white ladies. It's probably going to come out in that special, along with the only cure for pot being gun ownership.
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Apr 25, 2014 22:22
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AsInHowe posted:It's probably going to come out in that special, along with the only cure for pot being gun ownership. ..of your neighbor
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Apr 25, 2014 22:28
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Is there anything guns can't fix? These are the hard-hitting questions.
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Oh hey this is...a thing. It showed up on my Facebook feed. I forget from where. "The man who said bad things about black people is not a racist." - A Black Man http://www.ijreview.com/2014/04/132699-black-marines-letter-refutes-left-wing-media-narrative-cliven-bundy-racist/ I've never even heard of IJReview and I really have no idea what to even make of this.
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Apr 25, 2014 22:38
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McDowell posted:Is there anything guns can't fix? http://thedianerehmshow.org/shows/2014-04-25/friday-news-roundup-domestic One of the panelists on Diane Rehm this morning, I'm guessing the guy from Politico, answered a caller's question about gun laws in Florida forbidding cities from ever threatening 2nd Amendment rights by pointing out how *the media* never talked about Pearl High where the assistant principal got his .45 from his truck and held off the crazed youth that'd already killed multiple students. Guess why the media isn't talking about all these stories of how armed teachers saved students after these recent shootings? It was in 1997
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ToxicSlurpee posted:Oh hey this is...a thing. It showed up on my Facebook feed. I forget from where. quote:Who the heck are we to determine another man’s perspective on the world around him?! Just because Picasso’s view of the world was abstract, does it negate the fact that his art was genuine? It's not racism, it's abstract social commentary! That's a new one on me. (slightly less liberal opinion incoming) BUT! I will say that there might be a point buried way deep in this bullshit. I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that there is a non-zero chance Bundy is not a hateful racist in his heart of hearts. To me, parsing his statements leaves open the possibility that he is just a huuuuuuuuuuuuuuuge loving idiot who's read too much whitesplaining from drudge/Glenn Beck/O'Reilley and has bought into their particular brand of concern trolling where they present a laundry list of poo poo they lay on black people and then dissemble at the end saying "Gosh, I wish we could help them with this, and good luck to them in dealing with these horrible problems" and hope it passes for compassion. It's racism for sure, but these stupid pearl clutching arguments that are written from a perspective of "Oh but we're just trying to help them not be so terrible, because gently caress they are terrrrrible" are made to soothe people who are still harboring feelings that black people might actually be people too. He deserves everything he gets but I don't think he's in on the joke. I think he's just an old retard who sits in this grey area RW blogs have carved out for people who want to stay in the club but don't feel comfortable with just straight up saying "gently caress black people". I believe he did what a lot of these people do everyday and forgot that those articles are written to make them feel good, not to provide actual public argument for returning blacks to the slave days for their own good. That sort of thing should be obvious to anyone reading these things but hey here we are. Glenn Beck pulls this same trick with just about everything. I've had a theory for a long time that his target audience are the not-as-hardcore wives of hardcore oath keeper types. His job is to take any issue the husband rails about full throatedly (loving BLACKS STEALING MY TAX MONEY AND BUYING CADILLIACS!!!!) and translate it into a form that gives you cover from normal societies judgement (Someone needs to do something about these blacks' loss of personal responsibility, their fathers, and values before they're lost forever!!! I love them so much it breaks my heart to see their souls so abused by those Democrats! If only they'd get a job like us). Intel&Sebastian fucked around with this message at 23:12 on Apr 25, 2014 |
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Intel&Sebastian posted:I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that there is a non-zero chance Bundy is not a hateful racist in his heart of hearts. To me, parsing his statements leaves open the possibility that he is just a huuuuuuuuuuuuuuuge loving idiot who's read too much whitesplaining from drudge/Glenn Beck/O'Reilley and has bought into their particular brand of concern trolling where they present a laundry list of poo poo they lay on black people and then dissemble at the end saying "Gosh, I wish we could help them with this, and good luck to them in dealing with these horrible problems" and hope it passes for compassion. It's racism for sure, but these stupid pearl clutching arguments that are written from a perspective of "Oh but we're just trying to help them not be so terrible, because gently caress they are terrrrrible" are made to soothe people who are still harboring feelings that black people might actually be people too. I know conservatives IRL who hold both of those thoughts at the same time, and they use either argument depending on how angry/defensive they are (or aren't) feeling at any given moment. They're deeply conflicted, knowing the danger of full-out racism but afraid to take that extra step to race-blind empathy for fear of catching liberal cooties or whatever.
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lil mortimer posted:I really don't get what Fox has to gain from running a bunch of anti-pot propaganda. The only thing I can see is that they want to compete with CNBC's somewhat-neutral pot docuseries. Remember that Obama said pot wasn't that bad.
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beatlegs posted:I know conservatives IRL who hold both of those thoughts at the same time, and they use either argument depending on how angry/defensive they are (or aren't) feeling at any given moment. They're deeply conflicted, knowing the danger of full-out racism but afraid to take that extra step to race-blind empathy for fear of catching liberal cooties or whatever. Someday soon I bet there will be a politician who's more tuned in with this kind of situation and they're going to use it to point out the very stark difference in "values" and how equally they're applied in matters of policy when it comes to America's left and right. I think the biggest intellectual problem facing conservatives in America is the abandonment of the idea that a conservative core principle (or a core difference between the parties) won't always make every single conservative feel like a rightous happy warrior on every single issue. There's nothing on their side akin to the ACLU going to bat for the Ku Klux Klan and Rush Limbaugh. There's no longer any recognition that non-conservative speech qualifies as free speech. There's no major voices standing up and saying "let the states decide their abortion laws" but there are plenty who are gunning for Roe v. Wade. There's a very small batch questioning military spending and the cost of our wars from a conservative position but considering the insane scale of that problem it might as well be none. There's no longer a principled "states rights" argument from the right, there are 10000 different issues that cut either way depending on whether or not the rights in question would offend Sean Hannity and 3/4ths of them will flip completely depending on what party the president is from. These are the people who gave us the loving patriot act while Bush was in office and the exact same people now think threatening the feds with violence as an organized militia is reasonable and the IRS asking if Karl Roves non-profit is a tax cheat is some -gate level scandal. They like to talk about being the party of hard decisions, tough love and values but it's "for thee, not me". Find me an issue with a natural conservative angle that cuts opposite of a christian or corporate interest and I will find you no less than 100 blog posts lazily explaining it away. Intel&Sebastian fucked around with this message at 00:30 on Apr 26, 2014 |
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Conservatives can totally make progress on stuff though by just doing the thing where they simultaneously all forget something, bury it, and whine like hell if anyone ever brings it up.
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If what Maddow asserts is correct, Bundy was more than just a racist rear end in a top hat, but like a major league racist rear end in a top hat. It's quite one thing to have someone drop the N-Bomb, complain about welfare and other things that your racist uncle/grandpa might say. As terrible as their opinions are, I highly doubt they'd join the Klan or something of that nature. (There's a very famous "All in the Family" where Archie Bunker complains about "Blacks", indirectly joins the klan, then bails knowing that he's not on that level. Think of that.). No, this is a guy that could have touched off another Waco. This is a guy that could have gotten women and children killed. This is a guy who subscribes to the same views as Timothy McVeigh. Can you imagine if he had not been caught by (vilified by fox) Media Matters? FuzzySkinner fucked around with this message at 00:29 on Apr 26, 2014 |
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FuzzySkinner posted:No, this is a guy that could have touched off another Waco. This is a guy that could have gotten women and children killed. This is a guy who subscribes to the same views as Timothy McVeigh. There are like half a million of these guys. It's barrels more fun to laugh at their cultural impotency than to tremble at their private armories.
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Just heard on MSNBC that there are reports of militias setting up check points in Nevada near where Bundy lives. For gently caress's sake.
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Apr 26, 2014 00:31
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beatlegs posted:Just heard on MSNBC that there are reports of militias setting up check points in Nevada near where Bundy lives. For gently caress's sake. If I was in Nevada I would put on a Burqa and try to drive through a few of them.
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Apr 26, 2014 00:34
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Intel&Sebastian posted:If I was in Nevada I would put on a Burqa and try to drive through a few of them. Got way more balls than me if you actually did that, considering these guys were openly planning on how to most efficiently murder federal agents a few days ago.
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Intel&Sebastian posted:There's nothing on their side akin to the ACLU going to bat for the Ku Klux Klan and Rush Limbaugh. Well, unless you count the ACLU or the ACLU. e: Derp, I entirely misread your meaning.
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Apr 26, 2014 01:11
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People in Federal Breast Inspector shirts get killed by militia men who mistake them for the real FBI.
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beatlegs posted:Just heard on MSNBC that there are reports of militias setting up check points in Nevada near where Bundy lives. For gently caress's sake. I fell like this is a good thing. It gets them out in the open and identifiable. I'm betting the FBI love it. For guys who have a hard on for being guerrillas fighting the government it's tactically stupid.
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beatlegs posted:Just heard on MSNBC that there are reports of militias setting up check points in Nevada near where Bundy lives. For gently caress's sake. ….really? For sure? Militia leader turns on Fox News, sees coverage of east Ukraine. "Those folks have the right idea!"
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Apr 26, 2014 01:33
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Guilty Spork posted:A conversation about whether the federal government should own as much land as it does would be totally reasonable. It's not an issue I care about personally (being all city-fied and stuff), but the racist with weird delusions of the federal government not existing is very nearly the worst possible figurehead for it. Most of the land the federal government controls is either forests or in the case of Nevada/Utah/etc. desert wasteland which can't really be used for much other than nuke tests and reverse-engineering Soviet planes. One of the few legit good things about the US government is how much land is reserved for non-development use.
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Yea most land the government owns is either conservation things like 'alright fuckers we own this forest so you can't go Hulkamania and run wild in it' or just total useless wastelands that may be neat to study poo poo in but really don't have any use.
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This helps to break out what parts of federal lands are owned by which federal agencies:
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What is that line of DoD land going around the borders of an Indian reservation in South Dakota? It's missile silos isn't it?
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Raskolnikov38 posted:What is that line of DoD land going around the borders of an Indian reservation in South Dakota? That's Army Corps of Engineers land involving several artificial lakes created by damming the upper Missouri River. Lake Oahe is the largest one, accounting for most of the length. Missile silo land is too small to show on the map, being widely spaced and all that.
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Tender Bender posted:Remember that Obama said pot wasn't that bad. Plus old straight-laced white people are terrified of drug users and anything that they are terrified of becoming more prominent under Obama is another thing they could blame him for somehow.  at Hannity being the one to run this report.Watch this man who has never even seen a joint in person tell you all about how it could ruin your life because of some vague studies even though we're normally against science!
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mr. mephistopheles posted:
Well he was under a lot of pressure to find something else to talk about after dropping his Bundy coverage and never bringing it up again.
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