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SedanChair posted:I've offended you? That's terrible! No. What you said was that Obamas relationship with his wife was based on pure cold calculating demographic appeal which is a weird thing to say. If your point was to say that black elites often hold the same values as white elites I would disagree with you because as an "upwardly mobile minority" I get plenty of "one of the good ones" bullshit and I still have retained my empathy for other people of my race despite my aspirations. I've also not chosen a mate solely because of her ability to help my career. As it stands I apparently am mostly motivated by cute butts. Rexicon1 fucked around with this message at 04:27 on Apr 28, 2014 |
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Georgia passed a new gun law, allowing them to be carried drat near anywhere (including airports and churches, the former where the feds frown harshly, the latter where it has been a mortal sin for 800 years) How is that working out? quote:Parents at a Forysth County park abruptly stopped a children's baseball game after growing suspicions of the behavior of a man carrying a gun in a waist holster Tuesday night. http://www.wsbtv.com/news/news/local/man-gun-causes-scare-during-childrens-baseball-gam/nfhJS/ gently caress the idea that a tool is a fashion accessory, a ritual totem, or a way to prove something.
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Fried Chicken posted:Georgia passed a new gun law, allowing them to be carried drat near anywhere (including airports and churches, the former where the feds frown harshly, the latter where it has been a mortal sin for 800 years) Maybe you should pay a visit to the gun chat to see their perspective.
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Apr 28, 2014 04:34
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Rexicon1 posted:No. What you said was that Obamas relationship with his wife was based on pure cold calculating demographic appeal which is a weird thing to say. What I actually said was that Obama is a pretty calculating guy and I'm not sure he has any motivations besides ambition. I think that's reasonable to say. Why should I give him the benefit of the doubt? He's the President, gently caress him. I said that I like him, but I like him in the context of "guys who can be President." He ruins people's lives for political gain. He's the deporter-in-chief, the drone-striker-in-chief. Now he's finally arming Syrians, just to make sure that Syria stays a war-torn wasteland. That he is not a good person is a given. As for his emotions? Please. The only time he ever choked up is when he got re-elected. He's a snake like every 2008 primary candidate except Kucinich. I picked him, but I don't trust him. I don't think he's any better a person than Bibi Netenyahu or Putin. He's just doing a different job. If he was in their shoes he'd be doing their jobs.
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quote:If you want to make a statement, go to the Capitol," said Rabb. Actually he can't do that because the law still leaves it illegal to bring guns into the Capitol! Don't the legislators trust law-abiding Georgians to carry guns in their presence?
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Apr 28, 2014 04:35
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SedanChair posted:He's a snake like every 2008 primary candidate except Kucinich. They are (mostly) not monsters. All the evil that they do, is done by people who are definitely ambitious and perhaps egomaniacal, but ultimately human. This is the true horror, or tragedy, or comedy of the situation.
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Nessus posted:Are you sure Kucinich hasn't just sold you a bill of goods, and is in fact a black-eyed glassy-staring soulless sucking parasitic monster who would turf you over if it furthered his ambition? On what grounds do you make this audacious claim that Kucinich might be a human being instead of some kind of dark incubus like every other political figure in our representative government? No Kucinich is all those things, but I like him. Why do you assume I don't like him just because I think he harbors only a dark soulless emptiness behind his human-seeming visage?
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I really thought for a minute about Kucinich after I wrote that, but you quoted it before I could go back and take it out. Of course they're human. There are some scary motherfucking humans out there and Obama is far from the scariest. At least his ambition and craving for approval mean that he tries to govern well. Somebody like Palin would barbecue this country in a minute and laugh on top of the ashes.
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Apr 28, 2014 04:45
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SedanChair posted:I really thought for a minute about Kucinich after I wrote that, but you quoted it before I could go back and take it out.
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Apr 28, 2014 04:46
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The problem was that you asserted this idea he married for power and position without literally any evidence to point to that. The theory was absurd, and pointing to Nixon as someone who you can't tell was a loving psycho is weird because there is literally evidence in recordings and first-hand accounts that he was just that.
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Rexicon1 posted:No. What you said was that Obamas relationship with his wife was based on pure cold calculating demographic appeal which is a weird thing to say. SedanChair has taken the little factoid about sociopathy being an advantage in high competitive/leadership environments and that those environments tend to have a higher proportion of sociopaths, and run with it to the fact that Obama is a sociopath who doesn't love his family and plotted everything to get to where he is, nevermind the historical record showing his support came from the Jackson and Kennedy machines. It is a glib grasp based off misunderstanding a headline that he clings to because it reinforces his pre-existing view of the world, that is far removed from the actual information from the studies. He is no different from libertarians twisting economics or racists twisting evolution. Cranks twisting science to prove what they want rather than what is is an old saw. If you are actually interested in this kind of stuff and don't have 12 years and a quarter of a million dollars to use to get a formal education, I recommend starting by reading books by Vilayanur S. Ramachandran (Amazon, Wiki) He does a good job laying out in fairly easy to understand way exactly how weird the brain is and how much of your identity and actions is grounded in neurology by going though a long list of incredibly odd brain conditions (like the variation on hydrocephalus where people function at genius levels despite their brains basically not existing). He also eases you into the admittedly uncomfortable ideas that neurologists are realizing about all this. Then go to Martha Stout who focuses on antisocial personality disorder, and covers it not as a binary thing, but as closer to a spectrum, with degrees of it at varying frequency and how they manifest. Finally you want Snakes in Suits and The Psychopath Test, by now you will be able to see what they are getting at when they talk about "society selects for sociopaths in leadership roles" but have enough grounding to filter out the buzz that sells the books from the actual research buried in it.
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I never said he was a sociopath.joeburz posted:The problem was that you asserted this idea he married for power and position without literally any evidence to point to that. The theory was absurd, and pointing to Nixon as someone who you can't tell was a loving psycho is weird because there is literally evidence in recordings and first-hand accounts that he was just that. What I said was that his move to Chicago, his church and marriage all were a part of taking on the identity he chose for himself. It's not like the Habsburgs or something, it's just picking a great political wife.
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Job Truniht posted:Maybe you should pay a visit to the gun chat to see their perspective. Their perspective being they need a million guns for when the blacks finally revolt and can be freely murdered?
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SedanChair posted:I never said he was a sociopath. http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3621917&userid=37552&perpage=40&pagenumber=3#post428851921 http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3621917&userid=37552&perpage=40&pagenumber=3#post428852302
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Job Truniht posted:Maybe you should pay a visit to the gun chat to see their perspective. TFR: where they disagree with the idea of using eye and hearing protection at the range, and jack it with cheeto dust encrusted fingers to every "tactical" accessory there is. Yeah, I don't think so. They are basically the exact case of the "fashion accessory" thing ReindeerF was talking about earlier. Do they have another "post a picture of your gun" thread yet where 80% of the pictures are of goons pointing said guns at the camera to have a "badass" photo? Because that thread was just wonderful, really convinced me they were all responsible adults and not, you know, utter goons.
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Well everything's wrong with what you just said about TFR, but that's derail bait right there.Fried Chicken posted:http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3621917&userid=37552&perpage=40&pagenumber=3#post428851921 Thanks for quoting very specifically where I came closest to implying that Obama was a sociopath but stopped short of actually doing so.
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Fried Chicken posted:SedanChair has taken the little factoid about sociopathy being an advantage in high competitive/leadership environments and that those environments tend to have a higher proportion of sociopaths, and run with it to the fact that Obama is a sociopath who doesn't love his family and plotted everything to get to where he is, nevermind the historical record showing his support came from the Jackson and Kennedy machines. It is a glib grasp based off misunderstanding a headline that he clings to because it reinforces his pre-existing view of the world, that is far removed from the actual information from the studies. He is no different from libertarians twisting economics or racists twisting evolution. Cranks twisting science to prove what they want rather than what is is an old saw. The Psychopath Test is a great book.
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SedanChair posted:I never said he was a sociopath. Oh, you didn't? I must have been hallucinating then, because when in response to you claiming that Obama married solely due to power-mad ambition I replied: Captain_Maclaine posted:Dude, seriously? (Most) politicians are people too, you know. You chose to reply: SedanChair posted:Yes, sociopaths are people. So let me go into Columbo mode here for a moment and ask you to explain this for me, 'cause I'm just not seeing it.
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SedanChair posted:Well everything's wrong with what you just said about TFR, but that's derail bait right there. quote:Thanks for quoting very specifically where I came closest to implying that Obama was a sociopath but stopped short of actually doing so. Oh for the love of gently caress grow up. You have been completely misrepresenting Hare's work here just like I called you on, and now are trying to skim by with "OK, but technically I never said those exact words" You are being a complete idiot and got called on it, now try acting like an adult and admit it rather than playing at being Sarah Palin lite.
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Fried Chicken posted:so if I go there now I won't find people arguing hearing protection is over rated? You want to toxx on that? Not that aren't being yelled at and schooled pretty hard.
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SedanChair posted:Not that aren't being yelled at and schooled pretty hard. Never engage sedanchair. Got it.
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It's hard to say anything about this since it was before my time, but I will ask: Did Nixon set the precedent to where Americans became increasingly tolerant towards corruption in Washington for an entire generation? Nobody here can sincerely argue about the surprising amount of sociopaths in Washington when it has been that way for 30 years.
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Captain_Maclaine posted:So let me go into Columbo mode here for a moment and ask you to explain this for me, 'cause I'm just not seeing it. You are taking his quote out of context.
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Fried Chicken posted:Georgia passed a new gun law, allowing them to be carried drat near anywhere (including airports and churches, the former where the feds frown harshly, the latter where it has been a mortal sin for 800 years) I hope the guy was doing this specifically to be a problem in order to generate backlash against the law because it's the only way any gun laws are ever going to get toned back. This is Georgia though...  Not sure how their action wouldn't be considered a public nuisance though.
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Job Truniht posted:It's hard to say anything about this since it was before my time, but I will ask: Did Nixon set the precedent to where Americans became increasingly tolerant towards corruption in Washington for an entire generation? Nobody here can sincerely argue about the surprising amount of sociopaths in Washington when it has been that way for 30 years. Please describe why you think there was less corruption in the past, and more now?
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Job Truniht posted:It's hard to say anything about this since it was before my time, but I will ask: Did Nixon set the precedent to where Americans became increasingly tolerant towards corruption in Washington for an entire generation? Nobody here can sincerely argue about the surprising amount of sociopaths in Washington when it has been that way for 30 years. Well it was his pardoning that really told everyone in washington they'd get off the hook from anything too heinous.
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Install Windows posted:Please describe why you think there was less corruption in the past, and more now? It's not what I meant. No doubt, there was an entire historical period full of political corruption called the Gilded Age. At that time and well into the 20s, there was serious amount of political unrest over those movements when the public wasn't busy attempting to sack politicians procedurally. I'm moreso talking about the public's reaction to Ford pardoning Nixon, the Iron Contra, the October Surprise Incident, the Drug War, Scooter Libby, DeLay, and Greneda and the Second Iraq War, respectively. Anyone who seriously looks back on half the poo poo Reagon did and what HW did to make sure nobody went to jail, there is a deliberate level of complacency going on. I was always under the impression that what Nixon brought to the table was a lot more complacency towards corruption, since everyone and their dog knew he was hideously corrupt well before he ever entered the White House.
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Fried Chicken posted:Georgia passed a new gun law, allowing them to be carried drat near anywhere (including airports and churches, the former where the feds frown harshly, the latter where it has been a mortal sin for 800 years) To quote Helldump from years ago, this should do wonders for America's ailing passenger train industry. Wait they let you carry guns on Amtrak now don't they? gently caress. 
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StandardVC10 posted:Wait they let you carry guns on Amtrak now don't they? gently caress. What? quote:Effective December 15, 2010, Amtrak will accept reservations of firearms and ammunition for carriage between Amtrak stations and on Amtrak trains within the United States that offer checked baggage service. Thruway Bus Services will not be included in this service change. The following policies are in effect: Unloaded guns in checked baggage with forms to fill out at the station doesn't sound like carrying guns to me.
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Install Windows posted:What? Ah, whatever, guess I'm just misremembering.
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Evil Fluffy posted:I hope the guy was doing this specifically to be a problem in order to generate backlash against the law because it's the only way any gun laws are ever going to get toned back. This is Georgia though... And if black man did the same thing, he would have been arrested, if not shot on the spot.
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Fried Chicken posted:Georgia passed a new gun law, allowing them to be carried drat near anywhere (including airports and churches, the former where the feds frown harshly, the latter where it has been a mortal sin for 800 years) gently caress the lady who claims to support the Second Amendment but doesn't think the man who brandished guns around her children should be allowed to express it. Maybe she'll moderate her view a little bit now that she's been forced to experience the logical conclusion of the world view she claimed to support.
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Dr.Zeppelin posted:gently caress the lady who claims to support the Second Amendment but doesn't think the man who brandished guns around her children should be allowed to express it. Maybe she'll moderate her view a little bit now that she's been forced to experience the logical conclusion of the world view she claimed to support. These are logical outcomes to their views, not crazy fantasies outside their imaginations. It baffles me.
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Swan Oat posted:
(From the last page.) It's too bad that someone I admired for trolling other talking heads on cable news networks in an often hilarious manner and speaking out virulently against religion had such terrible opinions on pretty much everything else. Ninjasaurus fucked around with this message at 06:27 on Apr 28, 2014 |
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VitalSigns posted:I'll say that I was kind of uncomfortable with Sotomayor's quote about how a wise Latina may reach a better ruling than a white man who hasn't lived that life...but that's because I was stupid and wrong. White straight men have almost nothing of value to say about the minority experience, and even when presented with absolute evidence of it, tend to deny it to hell and back. I know there's a chance I'd have been like that were it not for my liberal parents. Protip for other straight white guys: if somebody you're talking to is not straight and/or white and/or male, and they want to talk about their experience being mistreated by society, SHUT THE gently caress UP, and say nothing other than "I'm sorry", "that sucks", and "I will try never to do that". WE KNOW NOTHING, FELLOW STRAIGHT WHITE GUYS. We can empathize, we can learn the facts, but we will never know the emotional truth because by accident of birth we won the Non-Persecution Lottery. Most people here probably know this anyway because SA's managed to drive out most of the A. Wyatt Mann types, but it bears saying anyway. also The Wise Latinas would be a good name for a rock band.
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Mornacale posted:Some people who claim to support the Second Amendment just mean that they think it's okay for people to own firearms, not that they have to have them in arm's reach at all times, to stroke them and soothe them with whispers of praise. Just because "Second Amendment" has been adopted as a shibboleth for crazy people doesn't mean that normal humans don't use it as well. Yes well for a lot of them who automatically believed that 2A was the exclusive domain of "the good guys" and not of people who intimidate families at children's baseball games, maybe this will be a valuable eye-opener about exactly the types of people they've decided to throw in their political lot with.
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Evil Fluffy posted:I hope the guy was doing this specifically to be a problem in order to generate backlash against the law because it's the only way any gun laws are ever going to get toned back. This is Georgia though... The new law didn't legalize any actions that he was taking. Depending on what exactly happened he may be guilty of brandishing.
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