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Coldforge posted:The reasoning is pretty simple. The value of the players this year in the 33-100 range is higher than in years past, because of the extra 80 or so underclassmen who declared. There are several teams looking to trade out of the top ten and get more picks this year, in large part because of this. The 49ers have a lot of top 100 picks to offer, and are one of the few teams (possibly) looking to trade into the top ten. I was referring more to people that were saying it would be smart to trade down for that little. I understand the concept, but there were some posters overvaluing 2nd round picks either way.
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Ozu posted:The Jets and Rams both have 12. I do the mock simulator on FanSpeak and I can't fathom trying to find a roster spot for that many people. I hope they use some of the later trashy picks to move up in the 2nd or 3rd. I get to blow picks on Logan Thomas and Colt Lyera when I play Texans Drafter.
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Apr 28, 2014 21:41
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How lovingly condescending
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AAA DOLFAN posted:How lovingly condescending Me? It's a luxury to draft a coke head and an athletic player with no position. It's nice to theoretically draft them with surplus picks.
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Apr 28, 2014 21:54
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Jim Nantz says he's heard the Cowboys will do whatever it takes to get Manziel
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Apr 28, 2014 21:59
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gently caress that, I don't want to have to hate Manziel.
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Apr 28, 2014 22:01
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Looks like Jerry is entering the final stages of his transformation into Al Davis, except somehow worse.
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This will literally never happen.
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Parmesan Basil posted:This will literally never happen. You don't know Jerry Jones. I'm not saying it is going to, because no one loving knows. But with Jerry it's definitely a possibility.
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Apr 28, 2014 22:09
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Friendly reminder that Manziel owns. Him being in Dallas would rival Tebow coverage.
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Apr 28, 2014 22:11
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I wouldn't be surprised if Dallas traded up maybe a few spots to get him assuming he fell, but this "do whatever it takes" nonsense sounds like more pre-draft smoke and mirror bullshit
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Apr 28, 2014 22:12
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Maybe when I said I wanted Manziel in the NFC I should clarified not with the loving Cowboys. Stay away Jerry.
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Apr 28, 2014 22:17
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Wouldn't Romo be the ideal quarterback to sit him behind and trade away though?
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John Brown posted:You don't know Jerry Jones. I'm not saying it is going to, because no one loving knows. I'm also under the impression that Football doesn't leave the top 8, so
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Gumbel2Gumbel posted:Wouldn't Romo be the ideal quarterback to sit him behind and trade away though? Didn't they just sign Romo to a huge extension? Edit: yep, $55 million guaranteed deal, signed last march. I guess they could trade him after another two years without problem.
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Coldforge posted:Didn't they just sign Romo to a huge extension? Yeah the first time they can trade/cut him without taking a cap hit is after the 2016 season If they were to trade/cut him now they'd eat a $30m cap hit 
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Parmesan Basil posted:I'm also under the impression that Football doesn't leave the top 8, so If Dallas gave up what's necessary (probably getting fleeced in the process) to move from 16 to the top 5-8 pick with that dumpster fire of a defense and lack of moves in free agency due to cap issues and then picked Johnny loving Football it would just  My reaction would be like that but also involve a liquor cabinet
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Apr 28, 2014 22:42
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It would be the most poetic thing in sports history if the Cowboys traded Everything to the Vikings who then built the core for multiple Super Bowl runs.
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Apr 28, 2014 22:48
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^^  ^^Manziel to the Vikings, promptly traded to Dallas for Romo, 16, their second, third, 2014 first and Second, and 2015 first.
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Rap posted:I actually do think either approach could work just fine, depending on what your team needs and what the prospects are like. It's hard to really talk in terms of "I'd rather pick 10th" vs "I'd rather pick 30th and 40th" or whatever, without knowing who the prospects are. http://harvardsportsanalysis.wordpress.com/2011/11/30/how-to-value-nfl-draft-picks/
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IcePhoenix posted:^^ More like Vikings intended to trade their pick to Dallas. However the Vikings couldn't manage to make a decision in time yet again, so both teams end up screwed as Buffalo drafts Manziel inexplicably.
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Volkerball posted:Man deep draft chat has really messed with ya'lls head when you're like yeah Khalil Mack is real good and all, but if you trade that pick you could get Gabe Jackson in the second. It's more that I like Mike Evans and all, but if it's a choice between him and 3 top 60 picks and a third next year, I'll take my chances with the other billion receivers in this class. Especially since they need at least one more starting-caliber corner because Culliver had to be a dipshit after they let Brown walk for peanuts.
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Mike Evans doesn't bring much value to the 49ers. His main move is just being big enough to come down with 50/50 balls and already have Boldin, Crabtree, and even VD who excel at that sort of thing. I would think that a speed guy who can consistently get open would be of much more use to them.
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The Puppy Bowl posted:Mike Evans doesn't bring much value to the 49ers. His main move is just being big enough to come down with 50/50 balls and already have Boldin, Crabtree, and even VD who excel at that sort of thing. I would think that a speed guy who can consistently get open would be of much more use to them. What. No. Crab and VD are not great contested receivers. Boldin is, yes, but he's only there for another year or two. Evans is a perfect fit for the 49ers, and exactly what they need. Grozz Nuy posted:It's more that I like Mike Evans and all, but if it's a choice between him and 3 top 60 picks and a third next year, I'll take my chances with the other billion receivers in this class. Especially since they need at least one more starting-caliber corner because Culliver had to be a dipshit after they let Brown walk for peanuts. It seems like most of the CBs they like in the draft are mid to late round guys, anyway (like every year). Edit: There are definitely other receivers in this draft that I like (Adams, Bryant, OBJ, Cooks, Street, Herron, Matthews, Landry, etc etc), but none of them as much as Evans. I really can't say the same about any of the CBs at the top of the draft. Coldforge fucked around with this message at 23:55 on Apr 28, 2014 |
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The Puppy Bowl posted:Mike Evans doesn't bring much value to the 49ers. His main move is just being big enough to come down with 50/50 balls and already have Boldin, Crabtree, and even VD who excel at that sort of thing. I would think that a speed guy who can consistently get open would be of much more use to them. Crabtree is not a jump ball receiver, Boldin is like 33, and having your only good TE as your only jump ball receiver isn't a great idea. Plus calling Evans only a jump ball receiver is really disingenuous. Dude is already a good blocker, has fantastic break away speed, and great hands. He's a fantastic prospect. Evans wouldn't be the piece that takes back the division from the Seahawks but he is a piece that pushes the Niner's WR Corps from "Painfully Average" to "Hey That's Pretty Good."
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I'll admit I was projecting for VD just because of his size but Crabtree has some of the best, most natural hands in the NFL. Does he really struggle with contested catches?
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The Puppy Bowl posted:I'll admit I was projecting for VD just because of his size but Crabtree has some of the best, most natural hands in the NFL. Does he really struggle with contested catches? Yes to both.
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That's so odd about Crabtree. Does he just not have the strength to muscle the ball off guys or what? I'm really not sold on Evans. Like 50% of his routes were comebacks which gels with JFFs mad scrambling so I'm not too sure he can get open in less than 12 seconds, he has a tendency to oscillate between astounding 200 yard games and really pedestrian 40 yard ones, he lacks the necessary explosion to get consistent separation, he is an absolute OPI machine with a bit of a temper and his tattoos are pretty dumb. He has good hands, a great catch radius, decent speed for his size, and an insane talent for sea of hands catches but there is too much bust potential for me to be comfortable taking him in the 1st round. He's on that list of players I hope get picked before the Ravens are up along with the QBs, Eric Ebron, and Taylor Lewan.
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The Puppy Bowl posted:That's so odd about Crabtree. Does he just not have the strength to muscle the ball off guys or what? You look at his number, and you'd think he'd be great. Decent size, long arms, good vertical. He's just really awful at the timing and getting height on the other guy. It could be because of his recurring foot problems, or because he's not getting enough separation to reach the ball first. I don't know. The same sort of thing is true for VD. Good size, should be able to muscle his way to any ball, but he has a really awful tendency to body catch.
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The Puppy Bowl posted:I'm really not sold on Evans. he has a tendency to oscillate between astounding 200 yard games and really pedestrian 40 yard ones, he lacks the necessary explosion to get consistent separation, he is an absolute OPI machine with a bit of a temper and his tattoos are pretty dumb. Receivers do that all the time. Calvin Johnson has both kinds of games.
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Grozz Nuy posted:It's more that I like Mike Evans and all, but if it's a choice between him and 3 top 60 picks and a third next year, I'll take my chances with the other billion receivers in this class. Especially since they need at least one more starting-caliber corner because Culliver had to be a dipshit after they let Brown walk for peanuts. Follow up to this, my list of CBs is: Desir, Verrett, Joyner, Gaines, Lawson, Williams, Watkins, Byndom, Cockrell, Hal, Richardson, Lowery, Breeland, Benwikere. Ward, Zimmerman, Watkins, Bucannon, Sunseri, Joyner, Benwikere at safety. Lots of late round depth in the secondary. Coldforge fucked around with this message at 01:49 on May 4, 2014 |
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The Browns are inviting Vince "HOOK EM" Young to camp. Manziel is a loving lock ya'll.
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Danny LaFever posted:Receivers do that all the time. Calvin Johnson has both kinds of games. He's a big guy, but he's older. I guess when they get older they're not going to be as physical, you know what I'm saying? ______/ 
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Coldforge posted:The same sort of thing is true for VD. Good size, should be able to muscle his way to any ball, but he has a really awful tendency to body catch. My 49er fan friend had a drinking game that played as "Take a drink every time Vernon jumps to catch a ball that doesn't need to jumped for" and I could never unsee it. Every time the ball is thrown his way he hops to catch it in his midsection. His other game was "Drink everytime VD doesn't break a tackle", because he always goes down on first contact despite being enormous.
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Febreeze posted:My 49er fan friend had a drinking game that played as "Take a drink every time Vernon jumps to catch a ball that doesn't need to jumped for" and I could never unsee it. Every time the ball is thrown his way he hops to catch it in his midsection. I assume he "had" the drinking game because he died of alcohol poisoning.
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Febreeze posted:My 49er fan friend had a drinking game that played as "Take a drink every time Vernon jumps to catch a ball that doesn't need to jumped for" and I could never unsee it. Every time the ball is thrown his way he hops to catch it in his midsection. The answer is clear. Vernon Davis had to be a rugby player in his past life and he can't break the thought process of "If I'm in the air when I catch the ball they can't tackle me til I land!"
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After months of reviewing draft poo poo and stuff and looking over past drafts I just hope the Packers don't draft yet another unknown for the defensive line as their top pick, that's all I want out of this year's draft. Highly drafted defensive linemen tend to have terrible work ethic or injury issues much more often than not. It honestly made me cringe last draft whenever I saw a DL being picked in the first. Take a nice safe linebacker or safety Ted.
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Coldforge posted:I assume he "had" the drinking game because he died of alcohol poisoning. He's also the guy who came up with the Alex Smith drinking game when he was on the 49ers. He drank Screwdriviers every week when we watched and I'm really surprised he never had to go to the hospital. I've spent so much time watching the 9ers because of my friends that they are practically a second team that I still hate anyway
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Febreeze posted:My 49er fan friend had a drinking game that played as "Take a drink every time Vernon jumps to catch a ball that doesn't need to jumped for" and I could never unsee it. Every time the ball is thrown his way he hops to catch it in his midsection. This plus concentration drops sounds like everything I have seen of Kelvin Benjamin.
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Coldforge posted:gently caress that, I don't want to have to hate Manziel. he managed to be the coolest dude despite being a loving aggie, being cool as a cowboy would be child's play in comparison
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