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seiferguy: Jun 9, 2005; FLAWED
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My parents live in Tim Sheldon's district, and have volunteered with the local Democratic party fundraisers before. The party has made active attempts to try and unseat him in the primaries with a legitimate Democratic candidate but have yet to get the results. Turns out it's really tough to unseat an incumbent of 22 years.

Also, Initiative 1329 is collecting signatures to be put on the ballot. I have to say I'm impressed with what it's trying to accomplish, I just wonder if it does pass that it would be deemed unconstitutional.

# ? Apr 28, 2014 21:43

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# ? Jun 3, 2024 15:35

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MrKatharsis posted:

It mostly went to Oracle, which is a Bay Area based company. The only money that stayed in state was the hotel bill of the overpriced and ultimately useless contractors.

I used to get cold calls from some Oracle salesman last year. I wish he'd call one more time so I could tell him I'll never give Oracle a god drat dime of business after this fiasco.

# ? Apr 28, 2014 23:01

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seiferguy posted:

My parents live in Tim Sheldon's district, and have volunteered with the local Democratic party fundraisers before. The party has made active attempts to try and unseat him in the primaries with a legitimate Democratic candidate but have yet to get the results. Turns out it's really tough to unseat an incumbent of 22 years.

Also, Initiative 1329 is collecting signatures to be put on the ballot. I have to say I'm impressed with what it's trying to accomplish, I just wonder if it does pass that it would be deemed unconstitutional.

Irene Bowling is the real Democrat in that race and there is a wacky Tea Party guy on the right, so there's a fair chance to squeeze Tim Sheldon out in the middle of the top-two primary.

# ? Apr 29, 2014 00:46

oxbrain: Aug 18, 2005; Put a glide in your stride and a dip in your hip and come on up to the mothership.

seiferguy posted:

Also, Initiative 1329 is collecting signatures to be put on the ballot. I have to say I'm impressed with what it's trying to accomplish, I just wonder if it does pass that it would be deemed unconstitutional.

I-1329 is basically writing a letter to your congressman, but in initiative form. I can't think of what would be unconstitutional about it.

# ? Apr 29, 2014 00:48

GENUINE CAT HERDER: Jan 2, 2004; Wedge Regret

So what are fellow Oregoons' thoughts on Monica Wehby? I've been seeing signs touting her while driving through Farm Country, Willamette Valley and have heard radio ads proudly declaring her definitive hatred of Obamacare.

Personally, even with all the "apparent" interest in the campaign, I still can't see her unseating Merkley. Especially with the Bachmann-eye thing she seems to have going on...

Edit: and what the gently caress is it with doctors and being FYGM assholes..I recently got a posting on FB from an old friend who's now studying to be a doctor and he's slanted totally in that direction. Worse than engineers..and I'm a trained engineer..

# ? Apr 29, 2014 14:11

TheDeadlyShoe: Feb 14, 2014

doctors know to their bones that they earned what they've got, that they're smarter than you, and that they work harder than you.

# ? Apr 29, 2014 15:21

got any sevens: Feb 9, 2013; by Cyrano4747

And the whole doctor system is set up as a FYGM machine, only allowing a certain number per year.

# ? Apr 29, 2014 18:10

Cicero: Dec 17, 2003; Jumpjet, melta, jumpjet. Repeat for ten minutes or until victory is assured.

TheDeadlyShoe posted:

doctors know to their bones that they earned what they've got, that they're smarter than you, and that they work harder than you.

Last part is probably true. (Most) Doctors work pretty crazy hours, at least for their first several years.

# ? Apr 29, 2014 19:23

highme: May 25, 2001; I posted my food for USPOL Thanksgiving!

GENUINE CAT HERDER posted:

So what are fellow Oregoons' thoughts on Monica Wehby?

Running against Obamacare isn't even a winning strategy in the South, much less a statewide race where a majority of the voters live in Portland. Since Art Robinson is now the state republican party chair I imagine there will be a, couple of candidates in the republican primary that shell have to move to the right to compete with, which will not be good for her general election campaign.

Also, I have an aunt & uncle in Colorado that are both doctors (my aunt is a clinical epidemiologist) who very much not FYGMers. Funnily enough, of her siblings, only my mother who was the least successful of the 4, is conservative. And she's just "gently caress you, I buy into the republican brand of shitiness as sold to me by Fox News".

# ? Apr 29, 2014 21:27

FRINGE: May 23, 2003; title stolen for lf posting

Cicero posted:

Last part is probably true. (Most) Doctors work pretty crazy hours, at least for their first several years.

Like frat rapists once they get accepted they figure they can do what they want and you should beg to kiss their rear end. Anyone that blindly trusts a doctor in America is as smart as someone blindly trusting a mechanic or a dentist. They all make money by creating 'problems'.

Mini quote-rant incoming.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=113571111

quote:

"We needed to know what was going on in home health agencies, what was going on in nursing homes, hospitals, doctors offices," Wennberg says. "And for each patient, what their diagnosis was, what their treatment was, how much money was spent, and what the outcomes were in as far as we could measure them."

...

Sitting at a table with most of the medical transactions in the state of Vermont listed before him, Wennberg was able to see just how bizarre the distribution of care was. People in one town would get their hemorrhoids removed five times more often than people in another town only 30 miles away. Ditto with mastectomies, prostate operations, back surgery.

...

His insight: It was doctors, not patients, who drove medical consumption, and all kinds of things influenced the decisions a doctor makes when a patient enters his office. Sickness and patient preference play an important role, but a much smaller role than patients and the health care community had originally thought.

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For instance, it turns out that if you increase the number of doctors in an area, chances are that the use of medical services will rise. If there's one doctor in a town with 100 patients, then he'll schedule your heart checkups for once every six months, but if another doctor comes to town � and now the first doctor has 50 patients � the doctor will just schedule your heart checkups for once every three months. There's a very simple reason why, says Frank Read, an eye specialist who participated in the doctor groups.

"I don't want to be sitting on my thumbs all the time � I want to be busy. And that may unconsciously loosen my criteria for doing a procedure."

Money

Which brings us finally to the subject that incredibly was never directly discussed during the nearly 20 years the doctors met: money. Specifically, the way money affects medical decision-making.

Keller explained that this subject was completely verboten.

"It would have been a show stopper. It would have gone right to the question of greed, and you're not going to keep a doctor at the table if you say that he's greedy."

Talking to doctors about money is difficult. It's uncomfortable both for patients and for doctors to think that this most important and intimate service could be contaminated. But the truth is the decisions made by your physician when you enter his office are profoundly influenced by the way that doctors get paid in this country. "That's just common sense. That's human nature," says Smith of the Maine Medical Association. "The payment system is an important influence."

Most of the doctors in this country are not on a salary but are paid basically like pieceworkers in a clothing factory. This is called "fee for service," and the way it affects doctor behavior is clear.

"If you pay people more, the more things they do, they're going to do more things," says Smith.

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"The patients in the high-spending regions were getting about 60 percent more care; 60 percent more days in the hospital; twice as many specialist visits," Fisher says. "And yet when we followed patients for up to five years, if you lived in one of these higher-intensity communities, your survival [rate] was certainly no better, and in many cases a little bit worse."

http://www.npr.org/blogs/health/2013/09/20/224507654/how-many-die-from-medical-mistakes-in-u-s-hospitals

quote:

In 1999, the Institute of Medicine published the famous "To Err Is Human" report, which dropped a bombshell on the medical community by reporting that up to 98,000 people a year die because of mistakes in hospitals. The number was initially disputed, but is now widely accepted by doctors and hospital officials

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In 2010, the Office of Inspector General for the Department of Health and Human Services said that bad hospital care contributed to the deaths of 180,000 patients in Medicare alone in a given year.

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Now comes a of the Journal of Patient Safety that says the numbers may be much higher � between each year who go to the hospital for care suffer some type of preventable harm that contributes to their death.

That would make medical errors the third leading cause of death, behind heart disease, which is the first, and cancer, which is second.

http://www.health-care-reform.net/causedeath.htm

quote:

According to several research studies in the last decade, a total of 225,000 Americans per year have died as a result of their medical treatments:

� 12,000 deaths per year due to unnecessary surgery

� 7000 deaths per year due to medication errors in hospitals

� 20,000 deaths per year due to other errors in hospitals

� 80,000 deaths per year due to infections in hospitals

� 106,000 deaths per year due to negative effects of drugs

Thus, America's healthcare-system-induced deaths are the third leading cause of the death in the U.S., after heart disease and cancer.

Or to put it another way: "Doctors Kill More People Than Guns and Traffic Accidents Combined"

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# ? Apr 30, 2014 01:59

CaptainSarcastic: Jul 6, 2013

GENUINE CAT HERDER posted:

So what are fellow Oregoons' thoughts on Monica Wehby? I've been seeing signs touting her while driving through Farm Country, Willamette Valley and have heard radio ads proudly declaring her definitive hatred of Obamacare.

Personally, even with all the "apparent" interest in the campaign, I still can't see her unseating Merkley. Especially with the Bachmann-eye thing she seems to have going on...

This is the first I've heard of her. Then again, I don't watch TV and have fallen behind in reading the newspaper. I can't imagine she has any sort of chance against Merkley.

# ? May 1, 2014 01:36

Kaal: May 22, 2002; through thousands of posts in D&D over a decade, I now believe I know what I'm talking about. if I post forcefully and confidently, I can convince others that is true. no one sees through my facade.

CaptainSarcastic posted:

This is the first I've heard of her. Then again, I don't watch TV and have fallen behind in reading the newspaper. I can't imagine she has any sort of chance against Merkley.

Same. It's hard to imagine how she'd get past the party politics. This is a state where successful conservatives either run as Democrats or live in the sticks.

# ? May 1, 2014 02:09

Rah!: Feb 21, 2006

I'm a little late to respond, but...

Tigntink posted:

We're barely even comparable to SF. SF barely allows any multi family housing and hasn't changed it's zoning in like a decade.

This isn't true at all. SF (city-proper) built 2,377 housing units in 2013, and only 177 of those were single family homes, the rest were in multiple unit/"multi family" buildings. Also, the city has indeed made changes to zoning within the past decade. Among other highrises, a new tallest skyscraper and third tallest skyscraper are being built in SF as we speak, thanks to such changes (which were made sometime between 2009-2012...can't remember). They'll be 1,070' and 802' feet tall, and are in areas that were previously zoned for heights of 30' and 350', respectively. Other zoning changes have been proposed too.

mod sassinator posted:

I'm terrified things will get just as bad as San Francisco, where the median home price is over a million bucks.

Not quite.

"The median price of homes currently listed in San Francisco is $890,000 while the median price of homes that sold is $939,350."

http://www.zillow.com/san-francisco-ca/home-values/

It should also be noted that over 60% of SF residents rent instead of own, and 170,000-200,000 of SF's 375,000 housing units have rent control (so the majority of renters have it to some degree). There are some people living in SF who actually have cheap rents by national standards, believe it or not, and that's ignoring public housing of course. SF isn't quite as wealthy as a lot of outsiders think. The insane market rate prices that the media is constantly obsessing over don't even apply to half of the city's population. Of course that may change in the future if this housing crisis poo poo continues. We need to build a lot of units, and not just SF. The whole Bay Area is responsible for tackling growth properly, but outside of central SF/SJ/Oakland the mentality tends to be that if it's high density, it's bad. SF does have over 50,000 housing units approved for construction right now, but unfortunately many won't start construction for years. It's been estimated that to stabilize housing prices in SF, at least 5,000 new housing units need to be added per year, indefinitely. That's a goal we'll meet this year most likely, and maybe next year too, but it's not something that will be sustained without some serious changes in the overall mentality of the people here...and apparently that's not a problem unique to the Bay Area. A huge number of Americans seem to be stuck in this suburban mindset. Combine that with metropolitan areas that are highly fractured on the municipal level (so necessary poo poo on the metro/regional level is hard to get done), and apparently many big cities in America are experiencing a housing shortage to some degree because of it.

Rah! fucked around with this message at 03:51 on May 1, 2014

# ? May 1, 2014 03:46

namaste friends: Sep 18, 2004; by Smythe

Is she a chiropractic doctor? Because lol.

# ? May 1, 2014 03:51

got any sevens: Feb 9, 2013; by Cyrano4747

I hope we get big turnouts for the Seattle labor day stuff. Push that (mediocre) 15 dollar wage as much as possible.

# ? May 1, 2014 07:12

Ham Equity: Apr 16, 2013; The first thing we do, let's kill all the cars.; Grimey Drawer

Rah! posted:

I'm a little late to respond, but...

This isn't true at all. SF (city-proper) built 2,377 housing units in 2013, and only 177 of those were single family homes, the rest were in multiple unit/"multi family" buildings. Also, the city has indeed made changes to zoning within the past decade. Among other highrises, a new tallest skyscraper and third tallest skyscraper are being built in SF as we speak, thanks to such changes (which were made sometime between 2009-2012...can't remember). They'll be 1,070' and 802' feet tall, and are in areas that were previously zoned for heights of 30' and 350', respectively. Other zoning changes have been proposed too.

Just Capitol Hill--one neighborhood of Seattle (albeit a large, popular one)--added 2,816 multifamily units in 2013. And we still consider ourselves to be having a serious housing crisis.

Seattle has substantially fewer people than San Francisco, and is growing at a much slower rate. And while our growth rate is higher than San Francisco's (1.3% versus .9%), San Francisco has enough people that that represents about the same number of new residents.

# ? May 1, 2014 09:08

oxbrain: Aug 18, 2005; Put a glide in your stride and a dip in your hip and come on up to the mothership.

"Not as bad as one of the worst housing markets the country" is not the same as not bad.

# ? May 1, 2014 14:58

Doorknob Slobber: Sep 10, 2006; by Fluffdaddy

Why isn't anyone talking about how the study that said that $15 an hour is a livable wage for a single person in the Seattle area is like years old now and the actual living wage is up around $17 and then people are like we have to phase in the $15 an hour wage over a billion years and by the time it gets phased in the living wage in Seattle will be like $20 and the whole thing will have been pointless anyways? I listen to the radio a lot and all I hear is phase in this phase in that, include tips. If they include tips into a person's wage for the minimum I will never tip again just to force those employers to make up the difference because gently caress them. Any restaurant owner that thinks $15 is going to hurt them should probably be out of business anyways.

# ? May 1, 2014 17:13

woke wedding drone: Jun 1, 2003; by exmarx; Fun Shoe

Probably because $15 is ambitious and revolutionary enough to begin with. I mean that's more than I make working at a non-profit that requires a 4 year degree for my position.

I'm currently apartment hunting and eagerly looking forward to spending half my income on housing.

# ? May 1, 2014 17:27

oxbrain: Aug 18, 2005; Put a glide in your stride and a dip in your hip and come on up to the mothership.

Because 40 years ago $15/hr was a lot of money. See also: people complaining about the price of gas, food, movie tickets, etc.

The 15now campaign should make an ad that's just R Lee Ermy screaming about inflation for 30 seconds.

# ? May 1, 2014 17:43

ShutteredIn: Mar 24, 2005; El Campeon Mundial del Acordeon

Cultural Imperial posted:

Is she a chiropractic doctor? Because lol.

Pediatric brain surgeon. She just picked up a Mitt endorsement. So... yay?

Her #1 "fix" of Obamacare is literally bringing back poo poo plans:

quote:

1. Allow the exchanges to sell less expensive catastrophic plans that cover major expenses but not routine care.

# ? May 1, 2014 18:00

silicone thrills: Jan 9, 2008; I paint things

$15 plan was just announced

http://www.komonews.com/news/local/Seattle-mayor-says-hell-announce-15-minimum-wage-plan-257522241.html

Laughing at people saying how happy they moved away from Seattle. Yes yes, we will happily enjoy our 4% unemployment here in Seattle with out you, fuckwads.

# ? May 1, 2014 21:14

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Tigntink posted:

$15 plan was just announced

http://www.komonews.com/news/local/Seattle-mayor-says-hell-announce-15-minimum-wage-plan-257522241.html

Laughing at people saying how happy they moved away from Seattle. Yes yes, we will happily enjoy our 4% unemployment here in Seattle with out you, fuckwads.

More jobs for everyone else, then!

# ? May 1, 2014 21:17

Ham Equity: Apr 16, 2013; The first thing we do, let's kill all the cars.; Grimey Drawer

Tigntink posted:

$15 plan was just announced

http://www.komonews.com/news/local/Seattle-mayor-says-hell-announce-15-minimum-wage-plan-257522241.html

Laughing at people saying how happy they moved away from Seattle. Yes yes, we will happily enjoy our 4% unemployment here in Seattle with out you, fuckwads.

That is not nearly as bad as I was expecting, but not as good as I was hoping for.

I could live with that.

# ? May 1, 2014 21:28

OBAMNA PHONE: Aug 7, 2002

Tigntink posted:

$15 plan was just announced

http://www.komonews.com/news/local/Seattle-mayor-says-hell-announce-15-minimum-wage-plan-257522241.html

Laughing at people saying how happy they moved away from Seattle. Yes yes, we will happily enjoy our 4% unemployment here in Seattle with out you, fuckwads.

Every single news site is full of shithead comments, why punish yourself reading this crap?

# ? May 1, 2014 21:30

silicone thrills: Jan 9, 2008; I paint things

BraveUlysses posted:

Every single news site is full of shithead comments, why punish yourself reading this crap?

I secretly love it. I'm an absolute masochist. I comment sometimes myself and the literal truth of my existence sends most of those commenters into a frothing rage. I'm top 5% income bracket, think taxes should be raised more, ride public transportation because i LIKE IT. holy god its fun loving with them and I don't even have to make up clever stories.

I once had like 8 of the regulars borderline threatening my life because I said that my healthcare premiums went down $7.00 this year, which is the truth. I lost no quality in my care either.

# ? May 1, 2014 21:32

Rah!: Feb 21, 2006

Thanatosian posted:

Just Capitol Hill--one neighborhood of Seattle (albeit a large, popular one)--added 2,816 multifamily units in 2013. And we still consider ourselves to be having a serious housing crisis.

Seattle has substantially fewer people than San Francisco, and is growing at a much slower rate. And while our growth rate is higher than San Francisco's (1.3% versus .9%), San Francisco has enough people that that represents about the same number of new residents.

I'm not arguing against the fact that way too few units are getting built in SF, it's just that the vast majority of what is getting built actually is multi family stuff (AKA apartment buildings/condos), and there actually are over 50,000 new units approved which is impressive for any city, and the vast majority of them (over 90% probably) are also multi family. And there have been zoning changes recently. Tigntink claimed that SF barely allows any multi-family, and hasn't changed zoning in a decade, and I was refuting those claims.

SF is actually seeing a building boom right now that most US cities can't match or pass (Seattle is one of the few that can). It's just that the demand for housing is so far above the supply (as it has been for decades, though it's at a new extreme these days, with the population at an all-time high and growing faster than predicted) that even the current building boom won't add housing units nearly fast enough.

# ? May 1, 2014 23:01

Hyrax Attack!: Jan 13, 2009; We demand to be taken seriously

I visited Portland for the day and their downtown seems much more walkable than Seattle. I was impressed by the packed, clean streetcars that kept going by, especially how they weren't covered in ads for casinos or "WE BUY GOLD." Plus Powell's Books was fantastic as usual. Are there some serious downsides to Portland that I'm missing? Lack of a pro-football team ?

# ? May 4, 2014 00:26

namaste friends: Sep 18, 2004; by Smythe

What's the unemployment rate in Portland?

What's the unemployment rate in Seattle?

# ? May 4, 2014 00:31

Ardennes: May 12, 2002

Mojo Threepwood posted:

I visited Portland for the day and their downtown seems much more walkable than Seattle. I was impressed by the packed, clean streetcars that kept going by, especially how they weren't covered in ads for casinos or "WE BUY GOLD." Plus Powell's Books was fantastic as usual. Are there some serious downsides to Portland that I'm missing? Lack of a pro-football team ?

Eh jobs is the big one, or at least jobs that can pull a salary like in Seattle. The cost of living is less but often salaries don't even match that.

# ? May 4, 2014 00:32

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Mojo Threepwood posted:

I visited Portland for the day and their downtown seems much more walkable than Seattle. I was impressed by the packed, clean streetcars that kept going by, especially how they weren't covered in ads for casinos or "WE BUY GOLD." Plus Powell's Books was fantastic as usual. Are there some serious downsides to Portland that I'm missing? Lack of a pro-football team ?

Traffic was pretty poo poo the last time I went through there. It felt like the city was designed for about 2/3 of the amount of people it gets today.

# ? May 4, 2014 00:48

SyHopeful: Jun 24, 2007; May an IDF soldier mistakenly gun down my own parents and face no repercussions i'd totally be cool with it cuz accidents are unavoidable in a low-intensity conflict, man

Yeah traffic is often pretty hosed in Portland, often times inexplicably. The plus side is a very robust public transit system.

I used to hate living here and believed that Seattle was better, until a couple years in I had an epiphany that Portland is everything I love about Seattle but condensed.

# ? May 4, 2014 01:29

OBAMNA PHONE: Aug 7, 2002

I'd live in portland if I could find a job that pays similar wages, no question.

# ? May 4, 2014 02:04

este: Feb 17, 2004; Boing!; Dinosaur Gum

Traffic in Portland isn't bad if you don't use I-5 or I-84, but it requires more knowledge of the city than an out of towner can be expected to have. But if you live in the city proper you'll get pretty much anywhere you want to go in 20-25 minutes (driving).

I feel the same way about Portland being like a condensed Seattle, but in reverse; Seattle is an oversized, overcrowded Portland. :v:

# ? May 4, 2014 02:34

CaptainSarcastic: Jul 6, 2013

One of the many things I love about Eugene, is that (outside the UO campus area) traffic is largely painless. It is easy to get around here by car, by bicycle, or by bus. The last few times I have been in Portland, with a Portland native driving, the traffic has appeared Dantean in its fiendishness.

# ? May 4, 2014 03:01

Rap Songs From Anime: Aug 15, 2007

Don't drive in Portland, at least not for your daily commute. The freeways are inadequate for the number of suburbanites trying to get in/out of the city using them, and it's likely to stay that way since the people who actually live in the city have a long history of telling anyone pushing a freeway expansion project (and the associated ravaging of surrounding neighborhoods) to gently caress off. Walk, bike, or take our lovely transit system to work instead and you'll be a lot happier.

# ? May 4, 2014 03:27

ProperGanderPusher: Jan 13, 2012

Mojo Threepwood posted:

I visited Portland for the day and their downtown seems much more walkable than Seattle. I was impressed by the packed, clean streetcars that kept going by, especially how they weren't covered in ads for casinos or "WE BUY GOLD." Plus Powell's Books was fantastic as usual. Are there some serious downsides to Portland that I'm missing? Lack of a pro-football team ?

I've been told lack of jobs is the number one issue. Unless you like outdoor activities, there really isn't as much to do as Seattle either once you've browsed Powell's enough times and sampled enough microbrews (but you'll still be far from bored).

# ? May 4, 2014 03:39

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Scoff the festune

Hooters Etailer posted:

Don't drive in Portland, at least not for your daily commute. The freeways are inadequate for the number of suburbanites trying to get in/out of the city using them, and it's likely to stay that way since the people who actually live in the city have a long history of telling anyone pushing a freeway expansion project (and the associated ravaging of surrounding neighborhoods) to gently caress off. Walk, bike, or take our lovely transit system to work instead and you'll be a lot happier.

As a transplant from southern Cali, I have to laugh every time I hear someone bitch about Portland traffic. Freeway traffic is sorta bad for about 1-2 hours every morning and evening but otherwise its fine. Stay off the freeways or ride a bike and its fine. My biggest problem driving in Portland is that none of these nice guy assholes could figure out how to work a 4 way stop if you put a gun to their head. Its comically rage inducing watching everybody waving at each other for like 8 minutes until someone works up the courage to just loving go.

ProperGanderPusher posted:

I've been told lack of jobs is the number one issue. Unless you like outdoor activities, there really isn't as much to do as Seattle either once you've browsed Powell's enough times and sampled enough microbrews (but you'll still be far from bored).

No jobs is the big one but I think it depends really. A lot of people move here with no skills of any kind because its generally pretty easy to get by on very little and so the low skill jobs are usually part time and lovely and harder to come by. I don't think its as big a problem if you move here with a decent skill set. As for stuff to do, yeah, there is a bit less than Seattle for sure but we have a killer music scene, decent enough food options, lots of neighborhood events, good museums, etc. The real draw is the atmosphere. Its just super chill here. No one is in a big rush, people are almost too nice (4 way stops :argh:

), widespread bike culture - for me its like having almost all of the amenities of a metropolitan area with a small town vibe.

# ? May 4, 2014 04:26

SyHopeful: Jun 24, 2007; May an IDF soldier mistakenly gun down my own parents and face no repercussions i'd totally be cool with it cuz accidents are unavoidable in a low-intensity conflict, man

este posted:

Traffic in Portland isn't bad if you don't use I-5 or I-84, but it requires more knowledge of the city than an out of towner can be expected to have. But if you live in the city proper you'll get pretty much anywhere you want to go in 20-25 minutes (driving).

I feel the same way about Portland being like a condensed Seattle, but in reverse; Seattle is an oversized, overcrowded Portland.

217 is almost an all-day clusterfuck, but if you don't live or venture into the Beaverton area it won't affect you.

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# ? Jun 3, 2024 15:35

namaste friends: Sep 18, 2004; by Smythe

waaaaait a minute. You guys aren't saying Portland has less rain than Seattle or Vancouver (CANADA) are you?

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