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A Winner is Jew posted:That wide partisan divide is not too surprising in light of other polls conducted this past year, which also suggested that Democrats and Republican have increasingly separate realities about race. But the NBA does have a provision for that in its Constitution and Bylaws????
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zoux posted:Remember all the thinkpieces in 08 about "Is America ready for a black president". Well guess what. Depends on who you ask! The supreme court says that racism doesn't exist anymore, so they obviously think America was ready!
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Cimber posted:exactly. Remember the ground zero mosque kerfluffle from the 2010 cycle? On that note, guess what has popped up in the news cycle again? http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/04/30/nyregion/developer-scales-back-plans-for-muslim-center-near-ground-zero.html?referrer=
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Fried Chicken posted:On that note, guess what has popped up in the news cycle again? awjeeze.jpg
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zoux posted:Remember all the thinkpieces in 08 about "Is America ready for a black president". Well guess what.  But more seriously, conservatives already have the balance of power in most other fields, despite poor numbers in practice; there seems no reason to assume axiomatically they're speaking "for America" or "for the real America," because then you're just agreeing with them.
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A Winner is Jew posted:I know the standard rule is to never read the comments but seriously, read the comments. I interpreted the comment about the presidency promoting racism differently from you. I saw it as pointing out that others were using the Obama presidency to drive racism to the fore, not that the White House itself was doing so. Maybe I'm being naive. By the way, the whole sordid Sterling affair is yet another example of people's first amendment rights being trampled on by the free market (i.e. consumers, employees, and sponsors)... which doesn't need to adhere to the first amendment anyway. Between the Eich incident and this one, it's quite telling.
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Mons Hubris posted:But the NBA does have a provision for that in its Constitution and Bylaws???? Paragraph 13 of the NBA's rules explicitly states that NBA owners have the right, by three-fourths vote, to revoke ownership if an owner “fails to fulfill” a “contractual obligation” in “such a way as to affect the [NBA] or its members adversely.” So if 23 of the 30 owners want him gone they can force it, and last count I know there were confirmed 22 owners in favor or removing him with only 2 against. The only questions is if their vote for removal is legal, but given that in the same rules racial or prejudiced statements are punishable by huge fines that have already been levied against him it's not exactly an uphill battle to make.
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A Winner is Jew posted:Paragraph 13 of the NBA's rules explicitly states that NBA owners have the right, by three-fourths vote, to revoke ownership if an owner “fails to fulfill” a “contractual obligation” in “such a way as to affect the [NBA] or its members adversely.” I wonder how many of those 22 confirmed owners care about the statements due to serious moral issue with racism in America today.
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A Winner is Jew posted:Paragraph 13 of the NBA's rules explicitly states that NBA owners have the right, by three-fourths vote, to revoke ownership if an owner “fails to fulfill” a “contractual obligation” in “such a way as to affect the [NBA] or its members adversely.” Also don't forget that as soon as his racist remarks came out, a ton of sponsors immediately pulled out or suspended their relationships with the Clips. Thanks to basketball revenue sharing, that's money directly out of the pockets of the other owners, and clearly adversely affects them.
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The best part of this is all the crazy Donald Sterling stories people have been sitting on for years.quote:Shortly after the Clippers made Danny Manning the top pick of the 1988 NBA draft, team owner Donald Sterling invited the player and his agent, Ron Grinker, to talk contract in Beverly Hills. It was recounted to me how Sterling lounged around his mansion in a bathrobe open to his navel, wearing nothing underneath. 
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Cimber posted:I wonder how many of those 22 confirmed owners care about the statements due to serious moral issue with racism in America today. I don't know if it matters. Even just having 23 insanely rich people vote to kick out another rich guy because his values harm them is a dual admittance that a) racism is a big deal to them and b) they're confident they won't do anything bad enough to have another group of 23 kick them out.
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Talmonis posted:Jesus man, the rest of those graphs. Up to and including "dissaprove of interracial dating" being higher than in the 80's. What the hell's going on around here? That graph is weird and they should have explained it better. It's measuring the correlation between being a Republican and opposing interracial marriage. Opposition could have fallen dramatically in both parties but if opposition among Democrats falls faster the graph will trend up. I don't really remember much from statistics but I wouldn't even bet the growth in correlation is statistically significant. And it's surprisingly low to begin with.
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Maybe this is old news, but looks like the Cliven Bundy situation is breaking down:quote:
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Maybe this is old news, but looks like the Cliven Bundy situation is breaking down: So after they didn't get the fight with the evil feds they were looking for, they're instead fighting each other now?
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Cimber posted:I wonder how many of those 22 confirmed owners care about the statements due to serious moral issue with racism in America today. The speculation is the players threatened to strike in the middle of playoffs if they didn't strip him of the team.
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OK, outside of a pocket nuke turning them all into radioactive vapor (It's a joke, don't start on me), this was the next best solution: they'll just shoot each other and improve the gene pool with their departure.
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Jerry Manderbilt posted:So after they didn't get the fight with the evil feds they were looking for, they're instead fighting each other now? If this comes out as Psi Ops from Holder it's going to be amazing.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Maybe this is old news, but looks like the Cliven Bundy situation is breaking down:
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Maybe this is old news, but looks like the Cliven Bundy situation is breaking down: It has been mentioned here, but this is the first time I've seen the story with an intact video link so thanks.
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Alter Ego posted:OK, outside of a pocket nuke turning them all into radioactive vapor (It's a joke, don't start on me), this was the next best solution: they'll just shoot each other and improve the gene pool with their departure. Unfortunately, one of the things the article makes clear is that there are kids in the camps. It probably is heading towards a dominoes-fall type situation though; as soon as one guy shoots someone else things will get really messy really fast almost inevitably. It's a fascinating situation but I sure as hell am glad I'm not within 200 miles of it all.
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Shifty Pony posted:The speculation is the players threatened to strike in the middle of playoffs if they didn't strip him of the team. Not speculation. It was confirmed by every member of the Warriors who the Clippers are currently playing against in the playoffs that they planned to go through warm-ups, the anthem, and then at tip-off just walk off court in protest if they weren't satisfied with how Silver reacted to the situation. It was rumored that every other team playing that night would do the same thing, but it's only been confirmed that one team would absolutely follow through with it.
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A Winner is Jew posted:Not speculation. It was confirmed by every member of the Warriors who the Clippers are currently playing against in the playoffs that they planned to go through warm-ups, the anthem, and then at tip-off just walk off court in protest if they weren't satisfied with how Silver reacted to the situation. It was rumored that every other team playing that night would do the same thing, but it's only been confirmed that one team would absolutely follow through with it. http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=E7NPuK_QhEk
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A Winner is Jew posted:Not speculation. It was confirmed by every member of the Warriors who the Clippers are currently playing against in the playoffs that they planned to go through warm-ups, the anthem, and then at tip-off just walk off court in protest if they weren't satisfied with how Silver reacted to the situation. It was rumored that every other team playing that night would do the same thing, but it's only been confirmed that one team would absolutely follow through with it. Had this actually happened it would probably be the most iconic and talked about moment in sports in the last century.
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CBS News posted:Rep. Bennie Thompson, D-Miss., is standing by remarks he made on a New Nation of Islam radio program where he alleged that criticism of President Obama is motivated by racism and called Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas an "Uncle Tom." I guess this is trending because people are comparing it to Sterling, but he is making a rational point? I guess it's just more "NO. YOU are the REAL RACIST(s)" stuff since Clarence Thomas was chosen on merit, well according to the comments on that article anyway.
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quote:In the video he complained of an "increasingly deteriorating situation" in the camps, due to "a bunch of hotheads" whom he thought weren't stable enough to carry out the armed struggle against the United States government Other than wanting to avoid bloodshed is there a single sane reason that these idiots haven't been declared to be in rebellion against the government and removed? Ideally to one of those FEMA camps they crow about.
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I know Obamacare is the worst thing that's happened since the Holocaust (if that even happened  ), but don't worry, I've got a solution.http://www.healthcarecompact.org Instead of the Federal government doing it, the states will just join in a compact to manage healthcare, with Congress' permission, of course. Congress will still give us that sweet sweet healthcare money too. Remember, healthcare is simply too large and complex to manage at the federal level, and states have generally shown that they're much better regulators than the federal government. The Health Care Compact isn't about who or what is covered, just about who makes these decisions. :realtalk: A buddy of mine posted this on Facebook. I haven't the heart to give this the mocking that it truly deserves. Brute Squad fucked around with this message at 18:31 on May 1, 2014 |
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Raskolnikov38 posted:Other than wanting to avoid bloodshed is there a single sane reason that these idiots haven't been declared to be in rebellion against the government and removed? The political backlash would be bad, especially given that we're heading into a rough midterm election as it is. They're playing this perfectly imo, especially if the 'Holder psyops' thing turns out to be true  Let these idiots stew in their own crazy until they can't take it any more and go home.Also, I don't actually know that they've done anything illegal yet. I am not a lawyer though - I know we have several in the thread, would any of you guys care to weigh in? From what I've read, the idiot militia has just circlejerked about ARE RIGHTS and waved a bunch of guns around, and I don't believe either of those are illegal.
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Jerry Manderbilt posted:So after they didn't get the fight with the evil feds they were looking for, they're instead fighting each other now? Death by OK Corral is next in line after Death By Feds if you're a crazy asshat play-solider.
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Fried Chicken posted:Senate republicans filibustered the minimum wage hike. Not surprising, but gives Dems something to campaign on Don't forget to mention Enzi's rationale for it: Mike Enzi posted:Republican Sen. Mike Enzi of Wyoming said the minimum-wage jobs he held as young man -- a window washer and "stock boy" -- prepared him for eventually owning his own business. Yes, that is a fantastic reason to screw over about a tenth of the country.
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The Midniter posted:Also don't forget that as soon as his racist remarks came out, a ton of sponsors immediately pulled out or suspended their relationships with the Clips. Thanks to basketball revenue sharing, that's money directly out of the pockets of the other owners, and clearly adversely affects them. Plus, if he wants to protest, he will need to go through forced arbitration. I thought that's what people wanted right? Tort reform!
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Alter Ego posted:Threatening federal agents with violence and using women as human shields isn't illegal now? I don't know, specifically, how the BLM releasing the cows played out so I didn't want to assume  I would think that there's a difference, legally, between 'we're going to shoot you if you keep taking those cows' and gathering up to rabblerouse about ARE RIGHTS and EVIL GUBMINT AGENTS.Also, I don't think human shields is illegal if they're there of their own accord. (In other news, I think I just earned my grammar guild journeyman status.)
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Carrasco posted:Don't forget to mention Enzi's rationale for it:
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Magres posted:Also, I don't think human shields is illegal if they're there of their own accord. Wouldn't Child Protective Services be able to use this case as a clear and present danger posed by the mothers to their children? Putting kids in that situation screams "reckless endangerment" to me.
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Carrasco posted:Don't forget to mention Enzi's rationale for it: Edit: well, I know I should stare mindlessly at the walls of my cubicle waiting as the overworked server crawls through processing my query, but I don't care.
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Magres posted:I don't know, specifically, how the BLM releasing the cows played out so I didn't want to assume They've set up armed checkpoints on public roads and are detaining and checking anyone who drives through. That illegal enough?
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Fried Chicken posted:I'm phone posting right now, so I can't really say he is wrong. We're still more productive than any prior generation, regardless of what we do with our downtime.
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Talmonis posted:Wouldn't Child Protective Services be able to use this case as a clear and present danger posed by the mothers to their children? Putting kids in that situation screams "reckless endangerment" to me. I'd bet dollars to donuts that this is a line of attack Fox will use if this thing erupts into internal violence. OBAMA DOESN'T CARE ABOUT ARE KIDS mdemone posted:They've set up armed checkpoints on public roads and are detaining and checking anyone who drives through. That illegal enough? Pretty sure that hasn't been confirmed beyond the one letter. Like I'm actually super skeptical of that at this point specifically because it hasn't been confirmed outside of that, days later. Media folk would be all over that if it were happening. Just to be clear in all this - I don't support these guys in any way, I just don't actually know for certain that they have directly done anything full on illegal, just really stupid and pigheaded. Like if they just rabbleroused and the BLM released the cows without threats being made, I don't think that's illegal, and it's not illegal for them to circlejerk on private property with their guns. I'd rather our government err on the side of caution, particularly given how situations like this have turned out before when we sent in an armed response team. Magres fucked around with this message at 18:54 on May 1, 2014 |
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