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Talmonis posted:We're still more productive than any prior generation, regardless of what we do with our downtime. Yeah I know, I gently caress around constantly and my boss still pulled me aside yesterday to praise how much I was getting done by automating things. To thank her I'm blasting my eardrums with old union music today
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The primary's winding down. You failed to deliver the fatal blow to your establishment opponent at numerous debates, prayer meetings, and pancake dinners, and now he's starting to wrap things up. What's a guy to do? Cut an ad at the gun range with music from a shovelware first person shooter, of course: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oACLIPr8PBk
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May 1, 2014 19:08
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Raskolnikov38 posted:Other than wanting to avoid bloodshed is there a single sane reason that these idiots haven't been declared to be in rebellion against the government and removed? Because that'd drive enough crazies over the edge that you'd end up with a bigger militia problem then you started with? Hieronymous Alloy posted:Maybe this is old news, but looks like the Cliven Bundy situation is breaking down: If you're one of those militiamen, the best case scenario is that some other militiaman gets killed. You get to be a hero just for being in town, and you get the escalation you were looking for. You just don't want to be the guy who gets shot. Magres posted:I don't know, specifically, how the BLM releasing the cows played out so I didn't want to assume I'm not a lawyer, but I think Brandenburg v Ohio set the threshold at speech designed to incite "imminent lawless action" as opposed to merely a "clear and present danger". Again not a lawyer so I can't go into specifics on it, but it seems like a relatively high bar.
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May 1, 2014 19:08
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I would think that there's a difference, legally, between 'we're going to shoot you if you keep taking those cows' and gathering up to rabblerouse about ARE RIGHTS and EVIL GUBMINT AGENTS.
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Talmonis posted:We're still more productive than any prior generation, regardless of what we do with our downtime. Your productivity gains are less important than your slavish devotion to your employer manifesting itself in a willingness to debase yourself to customer and employer alike while you toil away for every second that you're on the clock.
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May 1, 2014 19:12
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Maybe this is old news, but looks like the Cliven Bundy situation is breaking down: Don't know if this has been posted yet, but this local TV news report with interviews with police officers is pretty interesting: http://www.8newsnow.com/story/25395552/i-team-police-faced-possible-bloodbath-at-bundy-protest And the comments are... interesting... as well
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May 1, 2014 19:17
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Relentlessboredomm posted:Your productivity gains are less important than your slavish devotion to your employer manifesting itself in a willingness to debase yourself to customer and employer alike while you toil away for every second that you're on the clock. I've been collecting "the problem with millennial employees" stories that all riff along the line. The complaint is that millennials all want full spectrum health care, pensions, vacation, sick days, flextime, and will leave in a heartbeat if another job offers them a better deal. drat those kids, not being wage slaves! (And seriously, every place has you sync your smartphone with the server these days, meaning you are always on call, so how can you justify denying flextime? If I'm spending 3 hours at home programming something, why can't I roll in an hour late and stay until 6 to go to the dmv?)
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May 1, 2014 19:25
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Wraith of J.O.I. posted:Don't know if this has been posted yet, but this local TV news report with interviews with police officers is pretty interesting: That's...quite something right there.  Presuming the police accounts are at all accurate, it sounds like there was a substantial number of the militia who genuinely were looking to kill some feds or whatever, and did all they could to provoke the cops in hopes of having an excuse to throw down and start shooting. This line, in particular: quote:One Bundy supporter summed it up, "Had to happen sometime, might as well happen now, right?" I find particularly disturbing, given that it's very much in the context of violent confrontation.
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May 1, 2014 19:28
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Carrasco posted:Don't forget to mention Enzi's rationale for it: WHY DON'T YOUNG PEOPLE VOTE REPUBLICAN?
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Fried Chicken posted:I've been collecting "the problem with millennial employees" stories that all riff along the line. The complaint is that millennials all want full spectrum health care, pensions, vacation, sick days, flextime, and will leave in a heartbeat if another job offers them a better deal. Oh this place is offering me a better deal and that makes you grumpy? Piss off, free market bitch!  damnit I'd settle for an offer for a real job
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May 1, 2014 19:29
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I also have a hard time believing that in today's job climate an employer would put up with an employee who ignored customers to gently caress around on their phone when there are a hundred behind them waiting for a job of any stripe at all. It's not like unemployment is at 3%. Also somebody should ask Mr. Enzi how much he got paid to work at those jobs and how much his college tuition and healthcare costs were.
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DemeaninDemon posted:Oh this place is offering me a better deal and that makes you grumpy? Piss off, free market bitch!
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Wraith of J.O.I. posted:Don't know if this has been posted yet, but this local TV news report with interviews with police officers is pretty interesting:
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Someone needs to explain to these guys that Red Dawn is not how it would go down. Like seriously, how do they think a shooting war with the US Government ends? On an unrelated note, I'd like to stand in solidarity with my fellow Texans as we celebrate May 1, which is officially "Victory in the Cold War" day in this great state. zoux fucked around with this message at 19:40 on May 1, 2014 |
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May 1, 2014 19:37
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zoux posted:Someone needs to explain to these guys that Red Dawn is not how it would go down. Like seriously, how do they think a shooting war with the US Government ends?
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May 1, 2014 19:41
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zoux posted:Someone needs to explain to these guys that Red Dawn is not how it would go down. Like seriously, how do they think a shooting war with the US Government ends? With patriotic white conservative male military members joining the Real American side for a huge victory.
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May 1, 2014 19:41
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Magres posted:Pretty sure that hasn't been confirmed beyond the one letter. Like I'm actually super skeptical of that at this point specifically because it hasn't been confirmed outside of that, days later. Media folk would be all over that if it were happening. A couple pages back I posted another source. The local police department has had other reports that it's going on, they're just not investigating it. quote:Metro Police Sgt. Jesse Roybal said today the department had received Horsford’s letter, was aware of complaints and allegations and were “investigating each report. As of this time, there are no criminal charges in any of these cases.” It's Nevada, there's not a lot of people around to take notice of stuff. If the police are ignoring it the next step is going to someone in Congress. Paul MaudDib fucked around with this message at 19:48 on May 1, 2014 |
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May 1, 2014 19:45
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zoux posted:Someone needs to explain to these guys that Red Dawn is not how it would go down. Like seriously, how do they think a shooting war with the US Government ends? With the violent castration of the Senate Majority Leader. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2uEXkmMealE quote:“All over this country, we are still staring civil war in its bloody face,” Vanderboegh warned the crowd, in a video posted by Tom Lacovara, the host of an anti-government radio show. WOOOOOOOLLLLLVERRRRIIIIINNEEEEESSS!!!!!
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May 1, 2014 19:45
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Paul MaudDib posted:A couple pages back I posted another source. The local police department has had other reports that it's going on, they're just not investigating it. poo poo, my bad.
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May 1, 2014 19:47
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Nessus posted:Well, if you pay attention, how it ends is they all die, miserable, on the side of a road. But in some future period they are memorialized so it's OK. It's been a while since I've watched Red Dawn, but I could have sworn at least some of the Wolverines escape from the climactic final battle, leaving only the mortally-wounded Patrick Swayze and Charlie Sheen to bleed out on the park bench. And the hell with you if you meant the remake, which was completely worthless. 
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zoux posted:Someone needs to explain to these guys that Red Dawn is not how it would go down. Like seriously, how do they think a shooting war with the US Government ends? BLM Officer: "Sir, if they fire on us we'll be forced to retaliate..." Man from the State Department: "Explain it to them." The officer turns, and speaks into his radio. From over the horizon the roar of thunder echoes across the hardpan. A scream streaks across the sky in mere seconds as the massive shell lands on the unoccupied pickup truck nearby the mass of militiamen. The ground itself heaves, slamming the mass of armed men to the dirt. The truck is gone, all that remains is a deep crater of twisted, smoking steel. A solitary burning tire rolls past the terrified militia in the near silence. The man from the state department smiles. "There, that should do it. Tell them to lay down arms, I have a dinner reservation in two hours."
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May 1, 2014 19:50
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Captain_Maclaine posted:It's been a while since I've watched Red Dawn, but I could have sworn at least some of the Wolverines escape from the climactic final battle, leaving only the mortally-wounded Patrick Swayze and Charlie Sheen to bleed out on the park bench.
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May 1, 2014 19:50
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Paul MaudDib posted:It's Nevada, there's not a lot of people around to take notice of stuff. If the police are ignoring it the next step is going to someone in Congress. I'm not sure how the police is in the northern part of the state, but in Vegas I wouldn't trust a Metro officer to piss on me if I was on fire. Anything more intensive than beating diabetics is probably going to get shelved.
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Captain_Maclaine posted:That's...quite something right there. Having read through the last couple of pages, and the mentions of Waco and Ruby Ridge, I did a little bit of background reading. I also watched the video on the Bundy ranch situation, and I'm just being led back to one important question. What in the absolute gently caress is wrong with your country? More specifically, what in the gently caress is with these goddamned crazy lunatics who are actively looking for an excuse to start a war with the government? That moment in the video where Bundy told his militia to start advancing towards the state forces... As that cop said, all it took was one loud noise, one backfire, and everyone would have started shooting. Ruby Ridge was badly handled, don't get me wrong. Waco didn't go down well either. This was handled better (no one died), but from my socialist statist New Zealand perspective, the root cause was always some crazy gently caress running off into the woods with guns and a 'healthy' anti-government attitude
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Two Finger posted:Ruby Ridge was badly handled, don't get me wrong. Waco didn't go down well either. This was handled better (no one died), but from my socialist statist New Zealand perspective, the root cause was always some crazy gently caress running off into the woods with guns and a 'healthy' anti-government attitude Every nation seems to have a founding myth and a founding sin. Just like in New Zealand the founding myth is intrepid colonists and the founding sin is ecological catastrophe with the introduction of non-native species, in America the founding myth is justified rebellion against government authority and the founding sin is slavery and racism. P.S. Please let me and my wife move to your beautiful country Hieronymous Alloy fucked around with this message at 20:23 on May 1, 2014 |
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May 1, 2014 20:18
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zoux posted:Someone needs to explain to these guys that Red Dawn is not how it would go down. Like seriously, how do they think a shooting war with the US Government ends? The fact that the US Government hasn't just dropped a few drone strikes on these chuckle fucks and then gone to lunch is all the proof you need that the government isn't some tyrannical entity out to enslave or oppress them.
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Two Finger posted:What in the absolute gently caress is wrong with your country? Hmmm, what could it be?  
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Two Finger posted:Having read through the last couple of pages, and the mentions of Waco and Ruby Ridge, I did a little bit of background reading. I also watched the video on the Bundy ranch situation, and I'm just being led back to one important question. Not for nothing is the proposed title for this month's thread "US Politics May: Everything is hosed, with an Emphasis on Everything." quote:More specifically, what in the gently caress is with these goddamned crazy lunatics who are actively looking for an excuse to start a war with the government? A longer answer than what I gave above is, at root, what this thread is endeavoring to figure out. A large part of it is, I'm convinced, how much we've internalized the idea of the armed civilian as ultimate resistor of tyranny, itself rising initially from the Revolutionary War-era myth of the plucky militiaman winning us our independence (in reality most militia tended to break and run whenever the British affixed bayonets, and the crucial fights were largely won by Continental regulars). Not that that's the exclusive reason why we're so hosed, of course.
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Joementum posted:Hmmm, what could it be? Any idea what happened from '96 to 2000 to get the number to drop so much? Like the 2008 spike is obvious, the sudden drop in the Clinton era is way more interesting, and I was too young to be at all politically aware at that point, unless 12 year olds somehow count now.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Every nation seems to have a founding myth and a founding sin. Just like in New Zealand the founding myth is intrepid colonists and the founding sin is ecological catastrophe with the introduction of non-native species, in America the founding myth is justified rebellion against government authority and the founding sin is slavery. I have a spare room; a box of beer and a good dinner and it's yours. I will also accept good American craft beers, I have a real taste for those. Things you can look forward to: Only people with guns are people who have registered them and taken a firearms course. Free healthcare (mostly - you pay for doctor's visits but hospital care is free) Good social security net (so good that we have 3rd and 4th generation welfare families who have never known anything else - still better than the alternative) World class beaches. Goddamn drop dead gorgeous scenery. A loving annoying accent. Awesome cheap asian food from our large and growing immigrant population. A good and improving craft beer scene. If you actually want to come, why don't you? PM me if you want more info, it's really really not hard to get in assuming you are an American with any amount of coin behind you and some sort of skills.
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Joementum posted:Hmmm, what could it be? OBAMAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!! Hieronymous Alloy posted:Every nation seems to have a founding myth and a founding sin. Just like in New Zealand the founding myth is intrepid colonists and the founding sin is ecological catastrophe with the introduction of non-native species, in America the founding myth is justified rebellion against government authority and the founding sin is slavery and racism. I find this to be really interesting because on the face of it you'd expect us to be just as gun-crazy as the States. I mean, this is a country where increasing numbers of immigrants sparked off an unbelievably violent and destructive war across a large part of the country, where - if I'm not completely misremembering my history - a lot of farmers could only really rely on themselves (and their guns) for security for a long time. And yet, we use guns as they should be used and nothing more - hell it wasn't until I was in my 20's that I even came into contact with firearms. Comrade Blyatlov fucked around with this message at 20:30 on May 1, 2014 |
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Captain_Maclaine posted:Not for nothing is the proposed title for this month's thread "US Politics May: Everything is hosed, with an Emphasis on Everything." Now that the thread is monthly I'm hoping we get to use the "Liars, Guns, and Money" title someone came up with last year, at some point.
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Captain_Maclaine posted:That's...quite something right there. And yet it's the young people and minorities who are gonna actually destroy this country... 
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Two Finger posted:OBAMAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!! You joke, but in both the Freep thread and also the politoons thread (if I remember right), elements of the right have unironically blamed Obama for forcing them to be racist, on more than one occasion. StandardVC10 posted:Now that the thread is monthly I'm hoping we get to use the "Liars, Guns, and Money" title someone came up with last year, at some point. That was me!
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Two Finger posted:What in the absolute gently caress is wrong with your country? It's called "The Paranoid Style In American Politics", and it's a trend that has always existed in American politics. We literally had a civil war over this poo poo. Really it's the result of active fanning of the flames of racism and fear of the government as a method to fracture the lower classes politically. The early American elites were scared out of their minds that poor whites might team up with blacks and break up the aristocracy. And it's made a great wedge for regressive politicians to pound ever since - most notably the Southern Strategy and the Republican response to Obama's election in contemporary history. Paul MaudDib fucked around with this message at 20:37 on May 1, 2014 |
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Magres posted:Any idea what happened from '96 to 2000 to get the number to drop so much? Like the 2008 spike is obvious, the sudden drop in the Clinton era is way more interesting, and I was too young to be at all politically aware at that point, unless 12 year olds somehow count now.  Oklahoma City Bombing was in 95, and after it was widely reported that McVeigh and Nichols were heavy into the militia movement a lot of people realized that it wasn't just going shooting in the woods with fatigues and casual racism anymore.
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Captain_Maclaine posted:Not for nothing is the proposed title for this month's thread "US Politics May: Everything is hosed, with an Emphasis on Everything."
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Magres posted:Any idea what happened from '96 to 2000 to get the number to drop so much? Like the 2008 spike is obvious, the sudden drop in the Clinton era is way more interesting, and I was too young to be at all politically aware at that point, unless 12 year olds somehow count now. The number spiked in the late Bush / early Clinton years because of the confluence of the L.A. riots, Waco, Ruby Ridge, the OKC bombing, the WTC bombing, the AWB, and the introduction of the first Democratic President in 12 years. By later in Clinton's second term he'd moderated most of his positions, Republicans controlled Congress, the economy was booming, and violent crime was at historically low levels.
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Magres posted:Any idea what happened from '96 to 2000 to get the number to drop so much? Like the 2008 spike is obvious, the sudden drop in the Clinton era is way more interesting, and I was too young to be at all politically aware at that point, unless 12 year olds somehow count now. Oklahoma City
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Joementum posted:With the violent castration of the Senate Majority Leader. Hm I was kidding about the Red Dawn thing but I guess I actually wasn't!
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Magres posted:Any idea what happened from '96 to 2000 to get the number to drop so much? Like the 2008 spike is obvious, the sudden drop in the Clinton era is way more interesting, and I was too young to be at all politically aware at that point, unless 12 year olds somehow count now. Oklahoma City bombing and Unabomber was what triggered the 96 drop off. Being in a militia got you a hard look from the authorities and your neighbors. Then Bush was in office, and it stayed low/dropped further because the president wasn't a democrat and because groups like the minutemen ma have been militias but they were anti Hispanic militias not anti government ones.
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