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Phoon
Apr 23, 2010

I saw on HIGNFY that David Axelrod is running the labour campaign now so I expect to see some big vote winning policies and smarter attacks against the tories.

Whether they will actually follow up in government is another question.

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Rush Limbo
Sep 5, 2005

its with a full house

Trickjaw posted:

Yes, that is a load of poo poo, document everything (in case someone else gets sanctioned, and needs it) and also so you get your travel expenses back. Its also probably been done by someone who has suffered at their hands, not much consolation, but people do lose perspective when they are really bloody angry, and getting no where.

I'm not angry that it was done, the place is a shithole and probably deserves far worse. I'm loving fuming about their response, though, which explains exactly why someone thought to gently caress with them in the first place. I was lucky enough to get the info early so I know I need to go on a 2 hour round trip on the bus.

I really can't wait to see what happens when they try to enforce IDS' policy of having everyone there every day.

Microplastics
Jul 6, 2007

:discourse:
It's what's for dinner.
Lost amidst the sandwich chat:

Alecto posted:

I just posted this in the EU thread, but I'll post it here too.

I made an excel spreadsheet that uses UK polling and turnout to calculate how the regional seats will be distributed, which some of you may be interested in. The eligible voters are from the ONS's 2012 electoral roll, the vote share is the 5-10 likelihood to vote from the latest Comres poll and the turnout % is from 2009's election. Sometimes there's a draw in which case all parties involved get the seat, simply adding 0.1% onto one or two parties' share should fix it. Northern Ireland not included because I was really only interested in the national parties.

This is excellent but I'm having trouble interpreting it, probably because I'm thick. What exactly is the zero-to-nine stuff in columns F-AG?

LemonDrizzle
Mar 28, 2012

neoliberal shithead

KKKlean Energy posted:

Lost amidst the sandwich chat:


This is excellent but I'm having trouble interpreting it, probably because I'm thick. What exactly is the zero-to-nine stuff in columns F-AG?

I believe that's showing how each party's vote gets divided up under the D'Hondt system - basically, if a region has multiple MEPs to allocate, they're divvied up between the competing parties on the basis of V/(N+1) where V is the number of votes the party got and N is their current number of MEPs. So to begin with, N=0 for all parties and the first MEP is simply allocated to the party with the most votes. That party now has N=1 while all other parties still have N=0, so the first party's vote share is divided by two and the next MEP is allocated by comparing the first party's modified vote total to all other parties' unmodified totals, etc. etc.

DesperateDan
Dec 10, 2005

Where's my cow?

Is that my cow?

No it isn't, but it still tramples my bloody lavender.
Subway sandwiches are poo poo. Make your own, or frequent a local place, both cheaper, both better. Then you can go to the chippy on your lunchbreak, and stuff your moderately healthy sandwich full of hot greasy chips slathered in sauce (bonus points for dipping the resulting beast in a tub of curry sauce).

Barry Foster posted:

Airports are magical, liminal areas that exist outside of local time and space, in which stuff like 'drinking at half five in the morning' is perfectly normal. That's why they're fun places to be.

If I'm flying, it probably means I'm not driving, so gently caress being sober- especially when 6"4 of me has to cram into a teeny airbus seat. Plus, airline dependent, its cheaper than buying on board (though most airlines turn a blind eye to you carrying on duty free and getting hammered on that).

Bozza
Mar 5, 2004

"I'm a really useful engine!"

DesperateDan posted:

Subway sandwiches are poo poo. Make your own, or frequent a local place, both cheaper, both better. Then you can go to the chippy on your lunchbreak, and stuff your moderately healthy sandwich full of hot greasy chips slathered in sauce (bonus points for dipping the resulting beast in a tub of curry sauce).


If I'm flying, it probably means I'm not driving, so gently caress being sober- especially when 6"4 of me has to cram into a teeny airbus seat. Plus, airline dependent, its cheaper than buying on board (though most airlines turn a blind eye to you carrying on duty free and getting hammered on that).

When I flew American Airlines, I don't think the air steward had met a British person before because he seemed mildly shocked at the rate I could sink the complimentary booze.

Eat all, sup all, pay nowt.

Larry_Mullet
Sep 8, 2012

TinTower posted:

When it comes to buying meat most of the time, you're buying meat that's been unethically treated anyway (either through battery farming or non-stunned killing).

TinTower posted:

I used to get KFC every Sunday from their Halifax branch (one of the first Halal KFCs) and I didn't get turned Muslim then, so...

Just so you know, KFC chickens are not battery farmed and are stun-killed.

edit: Chickens are stunned by passing them through an argon chamber first which causes them to lose consciousness then electrically stunned by passing them through an electrified water bath, before having their necks cut to ensure death and blood loss. Contrast this with someone picking up a chicken and slitting their throat which would cause insensibility but not unconsciousness.

I'd also add that "most meat" produced and slaughtered in Britain actually has been ethically treated, hasn't been battery farmed and has been stun killed. There's a heck of a lot of scientific study that gets used to improve the welfare of animals through the slaughter process and things like bolt stunning have been shown to completely end any brain function in cattle instantly, whereas the halal and shecita methods have been shown to gradually decrease brain function over the course of a minute or more.

Cattle, particularly, have a propensity to fight the blood loss and have blood flow to the brain beyond the carotid arteries, so what can happen is after they've been cut they'll gradually lose consciousness, only to regain it for another minute or two.

Halal and Shecita methods are used because religious beliefs forbid people from consuming blood and that some of these methods also forbid stunning because they think bloodloss occurs more quickly and fully without stunning, even though scientific evidence is contrary to this. I can't say I really understand the need for different slaughter practices as industrially produced meat is also bled out fully, most scientific evidence suggests the animals suffer less and there are fewer complications when "correct" slaughter technique is employed.

Larry_Mullet fucked around with this message at 10:45 on May 2, 2014

Party Boat
Nov 1, 2007

where did that other dog come from

who is he


Which two posters were having the housing market dick waving contest?

http://www.theguardian.com/business/2014/may/01/bank-of-england-warns-housing-market-property-price-boom-crash

Alecto
Feb 11, 2014

KKKlean Energy posted:

Lost amidst the sandwich chat:


This is excellent but I'm having trouble interpreting it, probably because I'm thick. What exactly is the zero-to-nine stuff in columns F-AG?

Yes, sorry (and thanks!), Lemon's basically got it. The numbers to the right of the vote share are the party's quotient in that round, largest quotient gets the seat, the quotient is calculated by dividing the number of votes the party received by 1+ the number of seats they already have. They're not relevant if you just want the overall seats, but they allow you to work out by how many votes a party won a seat, which helped me decide whether to vote Labour or Green in my region.

If anyone's downloaded it then the values you need to change are the party's vote share in each individual region, and the turnout for each region. Everything else calculates itself or is input from the ONS. I made it so I could easily make my own predictions based on election night exit polls etc.

hexa
Dec 10, 2004

And the day came when the risk to remain tight in a bud was more painful than the risk it took to blossom

Pilchenstein posted:

I really don't get the homemade sandwich vs subway thing going on here - surely the deciding factor is geography? Or are you lot carrying bread and meat around town in your pockets just in case you get peckish?

I carry a little snackbox full of nuts, dried fruit and biltong but that's mainly because I'm trying to keep an eye on what I eat and have a decent supply of protein for after the gym. Also found it's pretty useful for the nightbus home after the booze.

As for the halal thing - I thought most meat in the UK/EU was stunned before killing anyway, regardless of wether it's halal or not?

Saki
Jan 9, 2008

Can't you feel the knife?
I just have protein shakes after gym. Cookies and cream flavour, of course.

Spangly A
May 14, 2009

God help you if ever you're caught on these shores

A man's ambition must indeed be small
To write his name upon a shithouse wall
Yeah a protip for anyone: there isn't Halal food in the UK. drat near zero. You find me a slaughterhouse that correctly positions animals after watching over them to ensure a dignified death and then prays with the corpse, and I'll show you a free market inefficiency.

Halal restaurants serve no Haram meat and if you're lucky you might get it from someone who does the butchering by hand. You are not getting fully Halal meat because it takes bloody ages and you can't really do more than one animal at a time. Also, have you tried cutting a cows neck deep enough to fully sever the windpipe?

I mean, I haven't, but I doubt it's easy. No windpipe in the first cut, the animal has unduly suffered, it's Haram.

Dakha
Feb 18, 2002

Fun Shoe
You guys read the Alistair Campbell interviews Farage article?

http://www.gq-magazine.co.uk/comment/articles/2014-05/01/nigel-farage-alastair-campbell-interview/viewall

Pissflaps
Oct 20, 2002

by VideoGames
What's the deal with the Subway sandwich artist asking if you want your subway melt toasted? Hey buddy, it isn't going to melt itself!

Saki
Jan 9, 2008

Can't you feel the knife?
Subway chicken tikka is pretty decent. If you don't have any cheese or mayo it's actually relatively healthy, too (but of course you will because you're a fat goony goon).

Rush Limbo
Sep 5, 2005

its with a full house
Regardless of the quality of Subway's food, they use workfare so you shouldn't go there regardless. poo poo food, poo poo business ethics, just a poo poo business all around.

tdrules
Jan 12, 2014
If you don't salt your own beef (or get your butcher to do it) you're a slave to the sandwich industry imo.

Microplastics
Jul 6, 2007

:discourse:
It's what's for dinner.

TL;DR version:

quote:

Q. Which Tories do you admire?
A. Michael Gove. I think he is a thinker; quite brave

quote:

Q. Which current world leader do you most admire?
A. As an operator, but not as a human being, I would say Putin. The way he played the whole Syria thing. Brilliant. Not that I approve of him politically. How many journalists in jail now?

Zephro
Nov 23, 2000

I suppose I could part with one and still be feared...

Umiapik posted:

The Tories need to do their sums: there's far more voting renters than there are voting landlords.
Renters are young and tend not to vote.

Zephro
Nov 23, 2000

I suppose I could part with one and still be feared...

Barry Foster posted:

Airports are magical, liminal areas that exist outside of local time and space, in which stuff like 'drinking at half five in the morning' is perfectly normal. That's why they're fun places to be.
It really depends. On business trips I think of airports like this on the way out. Then on the way back, when I'm jet lagged and have just spent a few days in a conference centre where I was also jet lagged, sleeping in a weird hotel room, eating weird hotel food and wrestling with poorly-understood local social norms, airports seem like some of the bleakest places in any developed country and I can't wait to get out, heh.

Dakha
Feb 18, 2002

Fun Shoe

KKKlean Energy posted:

TL;DR version:

You missed the best bit:

quote:


I have been looking at your website. You'd be hard pressed to say you have coherent, costed policies. You do have some promises.
Too many...

All uncosted.
Yes.

GPs day and night. Scrapping all sorts of taxes. Flat tax. Is that happening?
Very much under review. But certainly a massively simplified tax system.

Increased defence spending? Paid for by what?
It doesn't work like that. You know that. We have to put forward genuine reductions in public spending.

But all the promises on your website cost money, and as far as I can tell this will come from saving £53m a day by being outside of the EU, which I don't buy at all. You won't get it from overseas-aid cuts.
A per cent here, a per cent there, it adds up. Look, the coalition was formed to tackle the deficit. It has not been tackled. We have to do two things. One, show where we can make cuts and two, a growth agenda. The chancellor doesn't have one.

But you don't have an economic policy at all.
We are a political party. We have to put something forward that is a credible alternative.

OK, here is an alternative that is not credible. You say you will blow up wind farms.
I will do it personally.

You are going to blow up wind farms and, says your website, "Develop shale gas and place the tax revenues in a British Sovereign Wealth Fund. Norway's Oil Sovereign Wealth Fund is now worth $750bn."
Amazing.

But it is not a policy. Norway has got masses of oil and gas. The fact of the wealth fund is not an energy policy.
Shale gas is a massive opportunity. Don't look a gift-horse in the mouth.

Why do you want to blow up wind farms?
They don't work.

Some do.
They cost a fortune.

The more you have, the less they'll cost.
No, no, no. As we start to go offshore the economics become insane. There are plenty of studies showing that for every green job [created] we lose three or four in manufacturing.

Where are these studies?
I can show you. I worked in business. I see trends. Businesses are being wiped out because of the cost of energy. China is going for coal, America is going for shale in a massive way and we have gone through this lunatic push for wind.

Don't you think that when it comes to policy your strength is your weakness. You have strong, clear positions, but on complex issues. That means just taking the bits of the argument you want.
I think everyone does that - in politics, in the courts, in a family discussion. You skew the argument your way.

Dakha fucked around with this message at 12:23 on May 2, 2014

Saki
Jan 9, 2008

Can't you feel the knife?
As if I give a poo poo about business ethics when it's lunchtime and I'm hungry.

Jack the Lad
Jan 20, 2009

Feed the Pubs

El Scotch posted:

Imagine the satisfaction of leaving an upper-decker at Cameron or Farrage's house.

Why would that be satisfying? You would be ruining their cleaners' days, not theirs.

Brovine
Dec 24, 2011

Mooooo?
Airports are far more weird when they're closed. When I get to work on a Sunday morning, for the first two hours I see more empty planes than I do people - it's not unusual to have seen a grand total of two people in that time.

Large airports are even weirder at 2am. I recall driving around Stansted in the middle of the night, with the only things moving being me, two other vans, and a Security team doing their rounds. Dead silence, which is a huge contrast to the daytime!

Regarde Aduck
Oct 19, 2012
Probation
Can't post for 6 hours!
Grimey Drawer

KKKlean Energy posted:

Lost amidst the sandwich chat:


columns F-AG?

Haha!

JFairfax
Oct 23, 2008

by FactsAreUseless

Crane Fist posted:

The thing that gets me about Subway is that you can go to one anywhere in the entire world and they all smell identical. They've all got this weird slightly rank bread smell about them and you don't even have to go in, it extends about ten feet out of the place even when the door's closed

They will have a corporate scent. Lots of places to it. Pump in smells through the air conditioning, not just food places.

Also if anyone actually desires a subway that delivers, you really need to evaluate your life a choices

Betjeman
Jul 14, 2004

Biker, Biker, Biker GROOVE!

JFairfax posted:

They will have a corporate scent. Lots of places to it. Pump in smells through the air conditioning, not just food places.

Lush makes me feel queasy whenever I pass one.

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

Larry_Mullet posted:

Halal and Shecita methods are used because religious beliefs forbid people from consuming blood and that some of these methods also forbid stunning because they think bloodloss occurs more quickly and fully without stunning, even though scientific evidence is contrary to this. I can't say I really understand the need for different slaughter practices as industrially produced meat is also bled out fully, most scientific evidence suggests the animals suffer less and there are fewer complications when "correct" slaughter technique is employed.
The meat being sold as halal in Subway and KFC shouldn't be killed unstunned, regardless as whether it's being sold as Halal or not.

The regulations for humane slaughter state that unstunned slaughter can only be used for meat destined for specialist religious butchers, and that it should not reach the general market for consumption by non-Muslim and non-Jewish communities. For example, all lamb imported from New Zealand has been pre-stunned before slaughter, whether it is labelled as Halal or not, and all meat sold in supermarkets and high-street restaurants should be as well.

Of course the regulations probably also state that beef should not be made of pigs or horses, so who knows what the proportion of unstunned animals is, but it's certainly not all meat that is branded as Halal.

Pissflaps
Oct 20, 2002

by VideoGames
I can definitely tell the difference between bacon and turkey bacon.

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer
Max Clifford got 8 years :drat:

SybilVimes
Oct 29, 2011

Jose posted:

Max Clifford got 8 years :drat:

Only *has* to serve 4 though

Jack the Lad
Jan 20, 2009

Feed the Pubs

He's 71 so even 4 years is a pretty good chunk of time.

Is there a list of Yewtree targets with current status anywhere?

Lord of the Llamas
Jul 9, 2002

EULER'VE TO SEE IT VENN SOMEONE CALLS IT THE WRONG THING AND PROVOKES MY WRATH

Jose posted:

Max Clifford only got 8 years :drat:

fyp

Pistol_Pete
Sep 15, 2007

Oven Wrangler
The Guardian's online website keeps going haywire and matching the wrong photos to it's front page headlines. I particularly like this one:

Phoon
Apr 23, 2010

Somehow I doubt good grammar will help me get laid

Obliterati
Nov 13, 2012

Pain is inevitable.
Suffering is optional.
Thunderdome is forever.
It's this really annoying thing that I guess the sub-editors are to blame for, what with it being the Grauniad. Take one line from a column, blow it up into something ridiculous, and then laugh as your readers discover that it's actually about the author judging the Bad Grammar awards, with a two-line anecdote about a friend pulling on a school trip thirty years ago. They do this with pretty much every comment piece they've ever run and it drives me up the wall because I still make the mistake of expecting a headline to be relevant to the subject matter.

Obliterati fucked around with this message at 16:11 on May 2, 2014

Pistol_Pete
Sep 15, 2007

Oven Wrangler

Phoon posted:

Somehow I doubt good grammar will help me get laid

I think a journalist as distinguished as Hadley Freeman knows what she's talking about :colbert:

Rude Dude With Tude
Apr 19, 2007

Your President approves this text.

Phoon posted:

Somehow I doubt good grammar will help me get laid

your wrong their

Rush Limbo
Sep 5, 2005

its with a full house

Umiapik posted:

The Guardian's online website keeps going haywire and matching the wrong photos to it's front page headlines. I particularly like this one:



Glad to see the Grauniad is keeping certain traditions alive in the digital age.

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Kegluneq
Feb 18, 2011

Mr President, the physical reality of Prime Minister Corbyn is beyond your range of apprehension. If you'll just put on these PINKOVISION glasses...

Jose posted:

Max Clifford got 8 years :drat:

The sentencing remarks are here.

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