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Parmesan Basil posted:The tumble Teddy's taken is hard to justify. Is there really even any chance he goes past #5? He's probably not going top 5 but he's also probably not going to be far behind that. He's tumbled but he hasn't sank like a stone, just kinda 'yea when you're on top any stumble is significant' things.
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Alouicious posted:man why is everyone so high on this eric ebron dude i just don't get it I watched three game tapes of him twice. I rarely saw him lined up attached. I think he's a glorified slot receiver. I think he rounds out alot of his routes, has inconsistent hands and is going to struggle mightily blocking anyone. I think he's gifted athletically, and a physical specimen.Someone is going to fall in love with him and take him 15-35. It wouldn't be me. I question his ability to block nfl box players, make consistent catches against a more physical NFL pass defense*, and give you anything in the run or pass block game. He's a good prospect, but I think he has a long way to go to play TE in the NFL and that time investment would lead me to pick some else in the area he's prolly gunna go. *specifically his ability to release off a chip/jam applied by a LB or DE while inline
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# ? May 2, 2014 03:14 |
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Have the draft hats been discussed?quote:Apparently, the brims are light-sensitive. According to FTW, if the brims are around a bright light source, they'll reflect a mosaic consisting of the team logo. When there's no bright light source to reflect, the brims will appear gray. You can see the Texans and Broncos hats below.
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# ? May 2, 2014 04:47 |
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I really don't like the trend of hat embroidery being like an inch thick.
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# ? May 2, 2014 04:52 |
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McGinn:quote:Last month, the Journal Sentinel asked 20 executives in personnel if, when the book was closed on Manziel's pro career, it would be considered a hit or a miss. Underscoring the Texans' dilemma, eight scouts guessed hit and 12 guessed miss. It's mostly a good read although some of the scout quotes make me think these NFL teams need to get new scouts. Your standard for "franchise quarterback" is the biggest QB prospect since Peyton Manning? Okay then I guess don't ever draft a quarterback then. Then I guess there are only 3 franchise quarterbacks in the entire NFL right now. Derek's stock is hurt by his brother who was drafted 13 years ago?! Give me a fuckin' break. Watch some games you fuckin nerds. We get it, your job is hard. Have some loving genitals and put your chips down on a quarterback. Transparent rear end downplaying because you're afraid you'll lose your job if the QB busts on your recommendation. Then again one scout couldn't even remember who Drew Brees' name was so maybe they're literally not watching the NFL. The 7th Guest fucked around with this message at 05:14 on May 2, 2014 |
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haha bhsman is gonna lose his poo poo
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# ? May 2, 2014 05:10 |
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I almost want to that Bridgewater has a better career than Manziel, but I don't know how to quantify it.
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# ? May 2, 2014 05:13 |
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Keith Wenning will be the Tom Brady of this draft
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# ? May 2, 2014 05:15 |
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swickles posted:I almost want to that Bridgewater has a better career than Manziel, but I don't know how to quantify it. I dunno why you gotta toxx it, just be smug in the knowledge that you were right and the experts were wrong
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# ? May 2, 2014 05:16 |
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Quest For Glory II posted:Your standard for "franchise quarterback" is the biggest QB prospect since Peyton Manning? Okay then I guess don't ever draft a quarterback then. Must be talking to the Chiefs scouts.
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# ? May 2, 2014 05:19 |
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I like how they say "x is smart (quote a wonderlic score)" and Manziel had the best score and it's not mentioned at all. Cause it's a stupid loving test.
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Declan MacManus posted:haha bhsman is gonna lose his poo poo Unlike that scout, you aren't wrong.
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# ? May 2, 2014 05:24 |
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quote:8. TOM SAVAGE, Pittsburgh (6-4, 226, 4.99, 2-3) – hmm yes I see.
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# ? May 2, 2014 05:26 |
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Derek Carr is "smart" with a wonderlic of 23? It's out of 50, how is that smart?
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# ? May 2, 2014 05:40 |
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Bridgewater is going to be easily the best quarterback to come out of this draft.
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# ? May 2, 2014 05:42 |
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quote:3. DEREK CARR, Fresno State (6-2 1/2, 214, 4.69, 1-2) – Wouldn't fit in with my beer league, probably doesn't know a single fuckin speedwagon track: DONT DRAFT
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# ? May 2, 2014 05:43 |
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commy gun posted:Wouldn't fit in with my beer league, probably doesn't know a single fuckin speedwagon track: DONT DRAFT Amazing how people can come to the right conclusion with the wrong argument.
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Malloreon posted:Derek Carr is "smart" with a wonderlic of 23? It's out of 50, how is that smart? The average QB score is 24, so while smart might be hyperbole he's not putting up vince young numbers. The wonderlic is also terrible at telling what QB smarts really are. Eli was higher than Peyton and Ryan Fitzpatrick schooled everyone.
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# ? May 2, 2014 05:50 |
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Brannock posted:Bridgewater is going to be easily the best quarterback to come out of this draft. I'm still hoping the Vikings draft him. Peterson, Patterson, Jennings, just give them a QB who's decent.
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Febreeze posted:The average QB score is 24, so while smart might be hyperbole he's not putting up vince young numbers. It's almost as if there isn't one single metric that will predict future success in a given position in the NFL!
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# ? May 2, 2014 05:51 |
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swickles posted:It's almost as if there isn't one single metric that will predict future success in a given position in the NFL! C'mon, man, of course there is. It's the eye test. Everyone knows that. Although some people claim the name test is a better predictor.
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# ? May 2, 2014 05:54 |
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Quest For Glory II posted:McGinn: I burst out laughing when I read the scout whose comment on Connor Shaw was just "why would you draft him". I can't remember enough about Shaw to know if that's a reasonable thing to say about him, but it still made me laugh.
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# ? May 2, 2014 05:56 |
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Basil Hayden posted:I burst out laughing when I read the scout whose comment on Connor Shaw was just "why would you draft him". I can't remember enough about Shaw to know if that's a reasonable thing to say about him, but it still made me laugh. I wish there was a way to anonymize game film. I am pretty sure Connor Shaw plays almost the same as Johnny Manziel, but with less vision and talent. Lots of reviews are tainted by names, schools, and various reputations. Also, I love the anonymous scout quotes because they are literally the most worthless thing in sports journalism.
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# ? May 2, 2014 05:59 |
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Connor Shaw is actually a suicidal robot who tries to kill himself on every play but instead just ended up being a really rad QB
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# ? May 2, 2014 06:04 |
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PrinceRandom posted:I like how they say "x is smart (quote a wonderlic score)" and Manziel had the best score and it's not mentioned at all.
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swickles posted:I almost want to that Bridgewater has a better career than Manziel, but I don't know how to quantify it. Manziel is going to be the Manning to Bridgewater's Rivers'. Teddy will be better in every measurable category but Johnny is going to have the rings.
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Doctor Candiru posted:I haven't done enough research on Bortles. What's the general sense of his accuracy and ability to see the entire field? It would be nice if we had a quarterback who could at least do one of those things really well, since Cassel has only proven himself to have mediocre vision and nothing else, and Ponder has proven himself to have ...running ability and toughness, I guess? And I guess he seems like a decent guy, too...? Bortles field vision is pretty good. He's tall, does a good job of finding his passing lanes, and keep his eyes down field. He can run, but he's not like Ponder where running is seemingly his second read. His accuracy or more precisely ball placement is inconsistent at best. When he's on he can look pretty good, but when he's off one throw can be ahead of the receiver, the next one will be to the receiver's hip, and the next one will be the receiver's back shoulder. Still though he tends to make good decisions with the ball and seems to have a good mental grap of the game, though he has a bad tendency to feel pressure that isn't there. His arm strength is above average, but not great like Carr or Mettenberger. His biggest issue is mechanics, which leads to the inconsistent ball placement. His upper body and lower body are generally out of sync and it is hard to fix one aspects of a QBs mechanics without messing something else up. He's going to need quite a bit of time to develop and there is no guarantee that he'll realize his potential. People seem to think that he has a high ceiling, but his floor is Blaine Gabbert. I'm taking the approach that I'll trust Turner's judgement on QBs. That being said, Bortles is my least favorite of the top 4 QBs. He's a big gamble and I'm not sure if the potential pay off is worth it. If we're going to gamble I'd rather swing for the fences and go with Manziel. That being said my favorite QB in this class is still Bridgewater and I'd be fine with Carr. After the first tier, I like Garoppolo and I'm not that high on Mettenberger, though with QBs I'm not enamored with prospects who have prototype size. It's nice to have, but I'd much rather have a QB like Bridgewater who is already comfortable going through his progressions, reading defenses, and making presnap adjustments. Those are the types of skills that Ponder never developed and a QB being able to do that matters a lot more to me than if they are 6'5 or have a lase rocket arm. It does seem like the charm offensive with Bortles is in full swing, though in the week leading up to the draft last year, it seemed like Te'o to Minnesota was a sure thing, so I'm hoping that Bortles is this year's misdirection. I think my preference for the draft at the moment is to trade down, draft defense with that pick, and then trade back into the first to go after a QB. 8 just seems like a rough spot in the draft given the Vikings need. http://www.twincities.com/vikings/ci_25674904/blake-bortles-likes-vikings-according-his-ucf-offensive
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# ? May 2, 2014 07:27 |
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Ozu posted:Dane Brugler's annual draft guide is a pretty awesome resource and it's only $5. I've been waffling on whether or not to get this, you would recommend it?
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# ? May 2, 2014 08:14 |
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If Manziel were two or three inches taller would he be the no-doubt #1 overall pick?
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Bigass Moth posted:If Manziel were two or three inches taller would he be the no-doubt #1 overall pick? Probably not because of all the off field (non)issues that old men like to get angry about.
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# ? May 2, 2014 12:18 |
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Bigass Moth posted:If Manziel were two or three inches taller would he be the no-doubt #1 overall pick? His play style and decision making would still be an issue. Plus he'd still only be ~200 lbs and built like a slot receiver.
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# ? May 2, 2014 13:01 |
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commy gun posted:His play style and decision making would still be an issue. Plus he'd still only be ~200 lbs and built like a slot receiver. Well the question is, are you getting Welker or Amendola?
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# ? May 2, 2014 13:11 |
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It's amazing. If you change a couple of words in those snippets, those scouts sound almost exactly the same as the old school scouts in Moneyball.
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# ? May 2, 2014 13:11 |
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Mr. Funny Pants posted:It's amazing. If you change a couple of words in those snippets, those scouts sound almost exactly the same as the old school scouts in Moneyball. Does he get on base?
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# ? May 2, 2014 13:14 |
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My favorite part is that Derek Carr is "smart" with a 23 wonderlic, but Teddy Bridgewater is merely "smart enough" with a 20 Wonderlic. No mention of Manziel's high score, but he is listed as stupid. I'm shocked there was no mention of Bortles' hot girlfriend helping his swagger or something else inconsequential.
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# ? May 2, 2014 13:41 |
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Grozz Nuy posted:I've been waffling on whether or not to get this, you would recommend it?
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# ? May 2, 2014 14:24 |
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FizFashizzle posted:hmm yes I see. I noticed that too, glad someone else pointed it out. Some Scout posted:Kind of a Joe Flacco personality. Outward, extrovert, vocal kind of guy. Maybe I'm dead wrong about this, but I had the impression that Joe Flacco was introverted, not animated, and showed almost no emotion. Ravens' goons, what's your take? edit: I mean, this video shows us the same personality I've seen on the sideline or under center on Sunday. You want your QB to be cool, but this guy is arctic sea ice. http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=espn:9582746 The most animated I've seen him was during the Superbowl when they were a kick-off from winning. That's not saying a lot, who wouldn't be going nuts (plotting ways to cheat with his team-mates on the sidelines). Almost every other time he's got almost a Cutler-esque demeanor, but with less of the "I'm probably drunk right now" and more of the "I don't actually have a soul." In summation, I'm thinking that scout is full of poo poo. Chilichimp fucked around with this message at 14:41 on May 2, 2014 |
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commy gun posted:Wouldn't fit in with my beer league, probably doesn't know a single fuckin speedwagon track: DONT DRAFT Ah... couldn't have a beer with him. The Joey Harrington story.
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# ? May 2, 2014 14:43 |
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Dri Archer is in really good shape and I want the Lions to draft him, discuss.
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Teddy, is it true that none of your friends came to your birthday party?
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