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Peven Stan posted:This is one of the most hilarious right wing talking points. No amount of flailing and "I know a guy who is a welder and makes 150k" can cover up the fact that the average welder makes 32k a year From two pages ago but I have to agree with this. The real truth is that whenever you hear "there aren't enough X!" you need to append either "at the dirt wages I want to pay!" or "and I refuse to train anyone to do X!"
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SedanChair posted:The facebook comments from veterans who are like "I worked for everything I have" "Suffering and hard work only counts if you're in the military like I, or the supporting strawman of my argument, am/was!"
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SedanChair posted:The facebook comments from veterans who are like "I worked for everything I have" My favorite example of cognitive dissonance is veterans or current military who are libertarians. Tell me again how all gov't is terrible and evil while you once served or are currently serving in the most socialist institution in the country with free healthcare, a paycheck funded by taxes, and tuition assistance or are now enjoying the fruits of your service with things like the Post 9/11 GI Bill which is entirely free college education with a living stipend. So evil you can't resist the allure.  I certainly enjoy all of my benefits but I'm not crazy enough to support an ideology that is in direct opposition to them.
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zoux said he was over democracy after that bullshit "HOW DARE YOU NAZI PEDOPHILE RAPE-LOVING DEFENSE ATTORNEYS DO YOUR JOB  " ad. I think this will reconfirm his perceptions.http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/the-blame-bush-era-may-be-at-an-end/ quote:Since April, Bush’s favorable rating has averaged 49.3 percent. His unfavorable rating has averaged 46.3 percent. More Americans now like Bush than dislike him. Of course, 49.3 percent is far lower than Jimmy Carter’s 58 percent favorability rating, recorded in April 2013, but Bush has seen a moderate improvement over the past four years. In his last weeks in office, Bush’s favorable rating averaged just 37.3 percent; his unfavorable rating averaged 57.8 percent. The American people have no right to rule themselves anymore if this bullshit is happening. Gen. Ripper fucked around with this message at 00:18 on May 3, 2014 |
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Gen. Ripper posted:zoux said he was over democracy after that bullshit "HOW DARE YOU NAZI PEDOPHILE RAPE-LOVING DEFENSE ATTORNEYS DO YOUR JOB Honestly this isn't terribly surprising. Americans and people in general all tend to moderate their views on events as they fade into the past. It's a coping mechanism. It's the same reason why the death of a loved one won't be as painful after a few years. Plus as time goes on Obama has had more and more time to push his own policies so claiming after 5 or 6 years he's a little more responsible than he was at the beginning isn't entirely absurd. All that said, seeing Bush in a favorable light is loving insane. I get not outright hating him because it's been a while but viewing him favorably? gently caress that noise. A few years ago I genuinely believed that the American people are mostly getting shafted by their politicians and aren't to blame for problems within the system. While I still believe that a lot of issues are systemic and almost impossible for the average person to get a grasp on I lean more towards the view that people get the politicians they deserve.
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Bush's combination of incompetence and pure evil is hard to believe as it fades into history. Our kids will look at us sideways when we tell them about his presidency.
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You know, I think I'd support a literal dictatorship/authoritarian regime if it treated the people/workers decently enough. I really would; 200+ years of democracy clearly haven't worked out. Of course, the problem is that those kinds of dictatorships rarely exist. I guess the conclusion is that we should all get drunk and kill ourselves. 
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Alkydere posted:"Suffering and hard work only counts if you're in the military like I, or the supporting strawman of my argument, am/was!" Conservatives are not for any kind of rational policy other than self interest. Hence you'll have a right winger who works in a grocery store bemoaning food stamp urban people buying lobster while at the same expressing how upset she is that the state of illinois no longer pays for her birth control.
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Gen. Ripper posted:You know, I think I'd support a literal dictatorship/authoritarian regime if it treated the people/workers decently enough. I really would; 200+ years of democracy clearly haven't worked out. Maybe you should take a break, dude. mcmagic posted:Bush's combination of incompetence and pure evil is hard to believe as it fades into history. Our kids will look at us sideways when we tell them about his presidency. Don't worry, history will not be kind to the Bush II administration. I know this as I know Americanists who will sooner or later be writing about it. 
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mcmagic posted:Bush's combination of incompetence and pure evil is hard to believe as it fades into history. Our kids will look at us sideways when we tell them about his presidency. We can look forward to post about how Bush was the last liberal President in Future D&D.
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Gen. Ripper posted:You know, I think I'd support a literal dictatorship/authoritarian regime if it treated the people/workers decently enough. I really would; 200+ years of democracy clearly haven't worked out. By "the people" you mean "the right people" of course, all of those undesirables who disagree with you would have to be suppressed or re-educated.
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So as I read news articles I occasionally like to wade in the morass of the stupid ads that show up on news sites, behold: 108.5 Million Americans on Welfare?!?!!? Oh why I do declare! No fat lazy smoking bastard should get my money! http://moneymorning.com/ext/articles/wealthandpoverty/new-study-shows-average-american-pays-8577-for-welfare.php?iris=205888 Money Morning posted:
It's all for hawking scams and books, but it's just so perfect, like a turd shaped like the Venus de Milo.
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quote:You know, I think I'd support a literal dictatorship/authoritarian regime if it treated the people/workers decently enough. I really would; 200+ years of democracy clearly haven't worked out.
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Captain_Maclaine posted:Don't worry, history will not be kind to the Bush II administration. I know this as I know Americanists who will sooner or later be writing about it. Counterpoint: Ronald Reagain is effectively the saint of modern conservatives. Facts of history are of no value.
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Captain_Maclaine posted:
My liberal alma mater, in a blue state, is paying one of the key players in the Bush administration 35K and honoring her at it's graduation next week. These people are still major power brokers and are invited on TV weekly to share their opinions on mainstream (non-fox) outlets. The complete lack of any social sigma for these literal criminals is beyond depressing. mcmagic fucked around with this message at 00:56 on May 3, 2014 |
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May 3, 2014 00:53
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Where can I get in on this welfare?
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quote:bush's increasing approval ratings *cough*
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NoEyedSquareGuy posted:Counterpoint: Ronald Reagain is effectively the saint of modern conservatives. Facts of history are of no value. To me that just proves its more important than ever that history should be written by non-shill historians, and cheap, slobbery, ghost-written biopics should be shunnned.  mcmagic posted:My liberal alma mater, in a blue state, is paying one of the key players in the Bush administration 35K and honoring her at it's graduation next week. These people are still major power brokers and are invited on TV weekly to share their opinions on mainstream (non-fox) outlets. The complete lack of any social sigma for these literal criminals is beyond depressing. Actually, that reminds me: Has anyone seen The Unknown Knowns yet? Does Rumsfeld, as I suspect, fail to even live up to the standard of self-realization set by McNamara in Fog of War? SedanChair posted:*cough* Don't start that again, dude.
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Gen. Ripper posted:You know, I think I'd support a literal dictatorship/authoritarian regime if it treated the people/workers decently enough. I really would; 200+ years of democracy clearly haven't worked out.
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Captain_Maclaine posted:Don't start that again, dude. Why? I told everybody in this thread that Bush was due for rehabilitation. It's here and you still refuse to believe it.
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SedanChair posted:Why? I told everybody in this thread that Bush was due for rehabilitation. It's here and you still refuse to believe it. Oh, I thought you were about to go off on him being a super genius thing again. My bad.
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Captain_Maclaine posted:Actually, that reminds me: Has anyone seen The Unknown Knowns yet? Does Rumsfeld, as I suspect, fail to even live up to the standard of self-realization set by McNamara in Fog of War? He's unrepentant and doesn't seem to even think there would be a reason for him to be repentant. This is what Morris said about him: quote:I had a similar experience with Donald Rumsfeld — his grin and my puzzlement about what it might mean. I was left with the frightening suspicion that the grin might not be hiding anything. It was a grin of supreme self-satisfaction and behind the grin might be nothing at all. http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/03/28/the-certainty-of-donald-rumsfeld-part-4/
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"You think you can just come here, topple a dictator AND START A DEMOCRACY?!" Wow, wonder what that game is alluding to. Mind loving blown. Anyway, this is awesome: Video: A Longshot Senate Candidate Heroically Berates a Reporter for Writing "Blah Blah Blah" in His Notebook Joementum posted:
http://www.slate.com/blogs/weigel/2014/05/02/video_a_longshot_senate_candidate_heroically_berates_a_reporter_for_writing.html edit: vvv shut the gently caress up
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Captain_Maclaine posted:Oh, I thought you were about to go off on him being a super genius thing again. My bad. I think that I said something to the effect that Bush is perfectly intelligent, uncannily politically astute and a gifted schmoozer, not that he's a "super genius." Funny how people freak out about it though. And what do you know, people don't remember the policies, they remember the man--and they always liked the man.
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Will there be a thread for the WH Correspondents Dinner tomorrow? I realize this thread is probably going to be replaced by a new one anyway.
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pengun101 posted:wow, a neo-consevative villain in call of duty, may pick this up now. Knowing CoD he's probably on the "good" side.
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SedanChair posted:I think that I said something to the effect that Bush is perfectly intelligent, uncannily politically astute and a gifted schmoozer, not that he's a "super genius." Funny how people freak out about it though. And what do you know, people don't remember the policies, they remember the man--and they always liked the man. Well, except the people who lost family members in his disastrous wars. Or the people who lost body parts in his disastrous wars. Or the people who lost everything in the disastrous economic crash brought about by his mindless right-wing policies. Or, pretty much, people who read and pay attention to a loving thing, ever, and don't just wait for the TV to tell them what they are supposed to be outraged about today. So it's really more like, "Republicans, who don't remember anything that conflicts with their bizarro view of history (like how Reagan NEVER COMPROMISED and NEVER RAISED TAXES and was a STRAIGHT-SHOOTIN' TRUTH TELLER?) remember the man and not the policies... and they always liked the man. At least, the ones who don't have to visit graves, VA hospitals, or food pantries because of the sorry motherfucker and the tremendous damage his administration did to every facet of American society besides the 1%."
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Gen. Ripper posted:Knowing CoD he's probably on the "good" side. I think the speech in the trailer kind of gives it away, that he will be the villein.
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SedanChair posted:I think that I said something to the effect that Bush is perfectly intelligent, uncannily politically astute and a gifted schmoozer, not that he's a "super genius." Funny how people freak out about it though. And what do you know, people don't remember the policies, they remember the man--and they always liked the man. Yeah, it was part of his master plan to alienate an entire generation of young voting Americans.
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JonathonSpectre posted:Well, except the people who lost family members in his disastrous wars. Not a hell of a lot of voters, in other words.
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SedanChair posted:Not a hell of a lot of voters, in other words. There were a hell of a lot of voters who didn't like his plan to privatize social security.
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Has anyone else been hearing a lot of rumblings about Dave Camp's tax reform act recently? I've heard from a lot of proponents recently on the academic side of tax professionals so I've been looking into it and it's basically a way to give all the money to the rich/corporations without the obvious ideological bent of Ryan's crazytime budgets. No more AMT, a permanent tax holiday for repatriation of corporate money, and unlimited IRA contributions stand out as obvious 'you gotta be kidding me' provisions. Yet several people who follow these things much more closely than I are making the case that it has a chance. loving balls
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SubponticatePoster posted:Oh no, somebody didn't know what was happening half a world away 20 minutes after the fact! CONSPIRACY! Ask these guys if they know what's going on in their offices right at this very moment and I bet they can't answer. Also, 
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Job Truniht posted:There were a hell of a lot of voters who didn't like his plan to privatize social security. Well those voters for the most part are now dead/too senile to remember.
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SedanChair posted:Not a hell of a lot of voters, in other words. Just enough to guarantee the next guy two huge electoral victories over old rich white dudes who promised more of the same.
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Stultus Maximus posted:Also, This is literally the first thing I mention when some ignorant rear end mentions Benghazi to me. Also, if anyone is looking to read more into it I recommend the book, Under Fire: The Untold Story of the Attack in Benghazi
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Swagger Dagger posted:He's unrepentant and doesn't seem to even think there would be a reason for him to be repentant. This is what Morris said about him: How depressingly predictable.
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Job Truniht posted:There were a hell of a lot of voters who didn't like his plan to privatize social security. Nobody remembers what Presidents do to social security ten years after they leave office.
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