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fez_machine
Nov 27, 2004
Mega-City 2 is really good, Wolk knows his stuff and even though he is a massive fan of Dredd, read: http://dreddreviews.blogspot.com.au/, the series is non-reverential, and genuinely adds its own spin on things. Also it looks amazing.

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Jedit
Dec 10, 2011

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For UK fans and people who import: Case Files 22 is due out this month, and Amazon lists it as being this week. Keep 'em peeled.

Looking at the issue numbers, it seems The Pit is going to be split across volumes 24 and 25 with the first 13-issue story in CF24 and the 17 remaining episodes in CF25 early next year.

moths
Aug 25, 2004

I would also still appreciate some danger.



If you're just joining the party, the guy on the cover of CCF22 is a Vatican City Judge.

Myrddin_Emrys
Mar 27, 2007

by Hand Knit

moths posted:

If you're just joining the party, the guy on the cover of CCF22 is a Vatican City Judge.



Haha I just love it.

Jedit
Dec 10, 2011

Proudly supporting vanilla legends 1994-2014

Well, I'm done with IDW's Dredd. I was giving them a chance to see what they could do with Death, and the answer is "entirely miss the point and gently caress it up completely". It's turned into bad fanfic and it isn't worth reading any more.

Their Rogue Trooper reboot doesn't seem too bad thus far, though.

Electric_Mud
May 31, 2011

>10 THRUST "ROBO_COX"
>20 GOTO 10
I just read it and you aren't kidding it's so bad.

moths
Aug 25, 2004

I would also still appreciate some danger.



Jedit posted:

It's turned into bad fanfic and it isn't worth reading any more.

The first half of this issue reads like a videogame "Meet the end bosses!" trailer. While the concept of new Dark Judges has potential, the execution was loving terrible. I'd been giving them a lot of slack and time to find their feet, but Jesus Christ that ending. Dredd succumbs to Titan's fumes, is rescued by a new IDW-designed character from a few issues ago. And also Dredd swears now.

BENGHAZI 2
Oct 13, 2007

by Cyrano4747

Vengeance of Pandas posted:

Yeah, 2000AD's been putting out some great stuff in recent years, my avatar came from a Dirty Frank story.

Last summer's giant crossover story was easily the best crossover in comics history.

Bloodly
Nov 3, 2008

Not as strong as you'd expect.

moths posted:

If you're just joining the party, the guy on the cover of CCF22 is a Vatican City Judge.



...I find it odd that Vatican City/The Papal State would use black in it's setup, given the flag is white and yellow.

Bloodly fucked around with this message at 14:57 on Mar 15, 2014

Riso
Oct 11, 2008

by merry exmarx
They should have taken their colour queues from here

Bloodly
Nov 3, 2008

Not as strong as you'd expect.
It could work, if not necessarily in stripes.

I wonder if the Judges replaced the Swiss Guard outright, or whether there's a bunch of pikemen still around.

Babbage
Sep 6, 2010
Other Vatican City Judges appeared in Devlin Waugh a few times, and took more cues from Swiss Guard than the other one. These are the best picture I could find showing off the whole uniform.




Spikes McGee in the black is from one of the Grant Morrison stories, isn't he? Was he supposed to be a basic Vatican Judge or a specialist?

Vengeance of Pandas
Sep 8, 2008

THE TERRIBLE POST WENT THATAWAY!
I've got a feeling he was supposed to be Inquisition.

Riso
Oct 11, 2008

by merry exmarx
Of all states using judge systems, I somehow doubt the Vatican of all places would need one.

PoptartsNinja
May 9, 2008

He is still almost definitely not a spy


Soiled Meat

moths posted:

If you're just joining the party, the guy on the cover of CCF22 is a Vatican City Judge.



I know it's probably a bird, I just can't unsee the Hands of Fate on his chest.

LashLightning
Feb 20, 2010

You know you didn't have to go post that, right?
But it's fine, I guess...

You just keep being you!

Babbage posted:

Spikes McGee in the black is from one of the Grant Morrison stories, isn't he? Was he supposed to be a basic Vatican Judge or a specialist?

Yes, that image is from Crusade - a bunch of Judges from many Cities go down to Antarctica to try and be the first to salvage the body of a guy who's been missing in space for a few decades, or something. There's a Hondo-Cit Judge, Brit-Cit Judge, Emerald Isle Judge, Indo-Cit Judge and a Judge from the Australian Cit (Oz-Cit?) who show up at the same time as Spikes McGee and Dredd. I don't know what people would think of how the EI Judge is shown, though.

It's written by Mark Millar and Grant Morrison (I guess Millar supplied the blood-bath story with Morrison the kooky ending), the art is by Mick Austin and it was shown in 2000 AD Progs 928-937.

coconono
Aug 11, 2004

KISS ME KRIS

I broke down and subbed to the digital versions of 2000AD and the Megazine. This stuff is amazing.

gimme the GOD DAMN candy
Jul 1, 2007

moths posted:

The first half of this issue reads like a videogame "Meet the end bosses!" trailer. While the concept of new Dark Judges has potential, the execution was loving terrible. I'd been giving them a lot of slack and time to find their feet, but Jesus Christ that ending. Dredd succumbs to Titan's fumes, is rescued by a new IDW-designed character from a few issues ago. And also Dredd swears now.

I just assumed that they were all fakes. If they were supposed to be real dark judges and completely in earnest that is terrible.

Crashbee
May 15, 2007

Stupid people are great at winning arguments, because they're too stupid to realize they've lost.
Tharg, Rob Williams and Si Spurrier are about to do an AMA on Reddit.


http://www.reddit.com/r/comicbooks/comments/20wuuf/2000_ad_is_doing_an_ama_next_week_updated_march/

Small Strange Bird
Sep 22, 2006

Merci, chaton!
Loved the reveal of Section 7's big secret in the last part of 'Mega-City Confidential', and how the whole story turned out to be a satire of the Edward Snowden affair, right down to the crusading journalist's partner being detained at a British Brit-Cit airport. I also enjoyed that there was a noisy contingent of citizens who were perfectly fine with being covertly surveilled 24/7 in their own homes because they aren't criminals and have nothing to hide - in a world where the system is specifically designed so that everyone is a lawbreaker in one way or another. Wagner is still the sharpest Dredd writer, even after 37 years.

Bloodly
Nov 3, 2008

Not as strong as you'd expect.

quote:

in a world where the system is specifically designed so that everyone is a lawbreaker in one way or another.

Wait.

Now, I remember that in the system, everyone is a lawbreaker for minor crimes-absolute 100% compliance as 'required' is nigh impossible even for Judges; Dredd's exceptional. I don't remember it being 'designed' as such, though.

I'm not doubting, but I wouldn't mind getting more info on this. Especially since as I recall, under the system, everyone IS under 24/7 surveillance.

Hob_Gadling
Jul 6, 2007

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Grimey Drawer

Bloodly posted:

Wait.

Now, I remember that in the system, everyone is a lawbreaker for minor crimes-absolute 100% compliance as 'required' is nigh impossible even for Judges; Dredd's exceptional. I don't remember it being 'designed' as such, though.

There's a comic where Judges raid a rich person by accident and don't find anything. To prevent any lawyers haggling for reparations (because the apartment they trashed was expensive) they explicitly in-panel agree to find something, anything, to pin on the guy. He gets a warning for removed mattress labels and two weeks to get them re-attached.

Small Strange Bird
Sep 22, 2006

Merci, chaton!
Maybe 'designed' wasn't the right word, since the current system evolved over time and through circumstance (although what was done in 'Mega-City Confidential' absolutely was a deliberate effort), but as in the mattress example above, there are so many byzantine laws that if the Judges want to charge somebody for something, they'll get there in the end. The first time we see a crime blitz, it's stated in dialogue that they have a 100% record of finding some breach of the law, however minor (and the fact that this particular case doesn't find anything makes Dredd so suspicious that he orders 24-hour surveillance on the suspect until he does something wrong).

Small Strange Bird fucked around with this message at 10:31 on Apr 25, 2014

Metalshark
Feb 4, 2013

The seagull is essential.
http://www.gq-magazine.co.uk/comment/articles/2014-04/23/2000-ad-the-comic-that-foretold-the-future/viewgallery/3

This is a nice little article about how spot-on John Wagner and Alan Grant were with Dredd in predicting the future.

Or is it Sputnik
Aug 22, 2009

Oh, Ho-oh oh oh, oh whoa oh oh oh
I'll get 'em caught, show Oak what I've got

Payndz posted:

Maybe 'designed' wasn't the right word, since the current system evolved over time and through circumstance (although what was done in 'Mega-City Confidential' absolutely was a deliberate effort), but as in the mattress example above, there are so many byzantine laws that if the Judges want to charge somebody for something, they'll get there in the end. The first time we see a crime blitz, it's stated in dialogue that they have a 100% record of finding some breach of the law, however minor (and the fact that this particular case doesn't find anything makes Dredd so suspicious that he orders 24-hour surveillance on the suspect until he does something wrong).
I remember an instance of a Mega City 1 riot, where an average joe finds himself in the wrong place. After the judges break up the riot, the guy tells Dredd he's innocent and was just on the way to his job. Dredd insists that no one is innocent and books the guy for having two jobs.

moths
Aug 25, 2004

I would also still appreciate some danger.



Mega City Two is shaping up to be one of my favorite comics this year. The art is great, the city has a totally different vibe than MC1, and the writing is humorous without trying too hard to be funny. It's like someone finally realized how to localize Dredd.

Dog_Meat
May 19, 2013

Myrddin_Emrys posted:

OMG yes he loved corrie didn't he? I seem to recall he had a son too at some point, didn't he turn evil?

We need a thread for the old Eagle stories. They were cheesey as hell, but when they hit they HIT. Doomlord's son was Enok, who went insane. Then there was a mirror dimension where Enok enslaved the planet. Then I seem to remember Enok being put into some coccoon thing to make him good because Doomlord went on some spirit quest thing where he decided "gently caress it, I'm evil" and ended up fighting Enok.

But anything the Eagle did that involved real photos was always awful. Even as a kid I'd see those photo comics and think "what the hell...?"

I didn't get Judge Dread or 2000ad until years later because for some reason my parents thought they weren't suitable for kids. But the Eagle was something they knew from their own childhoods and they assumed it was all Dan Dare and cookie cutter sci fi.

coconono
Aug 11, 2004

KISS ME KRIS

I remember picking up an Eagle glossy in the early 90s and it had Dan Dare being fed to carnivorous worms. It was pretty traumatizing.


Also is 2000ad gonna quit with the vague social commentaries in their Dredd strips? Its getting annoying. I wanna see Dredd bust some perps, dammit.

LashLightning
Feb 20, 2010

You know you didn't have to go post that, right?
But it's fine, I guess...

You just keep being you!

coconono posted:

Also is 2000ad gonna quit with the vague social commentaries in their Dredd strips? Its getting annoying. I wanna see Dredd bust some perps, dammit.

2000AD's Dredd was always vague social commentaries - With "death of the author", maybe one could take the very first Dredd story to be a commentary on government, speed limits and roundabouts?

LashLightning fucked around with this message at 20:27 on May 1, 2014

Sentinel Red
Nov 13, 2007
Style > Content.

coconono posted:

I remember picking up an Eagle glossy in the early 90s and it had Dan Dare being fed to carnivorous worms. It was pretty traumatizing.

I remember one Dan Dare story about the opening of a new trans-continental tunnel which lead to a sealed cavern being broken open, releasing a load of ravenous little red jelly monsters which literally instantly stripped anything's flesh to the bone at the moment of contact. poo poo was horrifying, yo.

Myrddin_Emrys
Mar 27, 2007

by Hand Knit

Dog_Meat posted:

We need a thread for the old Eagle stories. They were cheesey as hell, but when they hit they HIT. Doomlord's son was Enok, who went insane. Then there was a mirror dimension where Enok enslaved the planet. Then I seem to remember Enok being put into some coccoon thing to make him good because Doomlord went on some spirit quest thing where he decided "gently caress it, I'm evil" and ended up fighting Enok.

But anything the Eagle did that involved real photos was always awful. Even as a kid I'd see those photo comics and think "what the hell...?"

I didn't get Judge Dread or 2000ad until years later because for some reason my parents thought they weren't suitable for kids. But the Eagle was something they knew from their own childhoods and they assumed it was all Dan Dare and cookie cutter sci fi.

I collected the 'new' Eagle from about 1982 (I was 10) from the first issue, and it ran with the awesome Dan Dare (fantastic artist they had for Dan) and the photo stories until some point a few years later when they ditched the photos and went completely comic strip art. They even ditched the old Dan Dare artist and I was gutted. As brilliant as Ian kennedy was (he really was) it wasn't the same as the previous artist who was phenominal, Gerry Embelton I believe it was. If you can remember Gerry's era on Dan Dare, then surely you must remember the amazing bounty hunter alien who had a loving FLYING GREAT WHITE SHARK ON A CHAIN LEASH!

Jedit
Dec 10, 2011

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Myrddin_Emrys posted:

I collected the 'new' Eagle from about 1982 (I was 10) from the first issue, and it ran with the awesome Dan Dare (fantastic artist they had for Dan) and the photo stories until some point a few years later when they ditched the photos and went completely comic strip art. They even ditched the old Dan Dare artist and I was gutted. As brilliant as Ian kennedy was (he really was) it wasn't the same as the previous artist who was phenominal, Gerry Embelton I believe it was. If you can remember Gerry's era on Dan Dare, then surely you must remember the amazing bounty hunter alien who had a loving FLYING GREAT WHITE SHARK ON A CHAIN LEASH!

It was indeed Gerry Embleton. Here's an example of his Dare.

Myrddin_Emrys
Mar 27, 2007

by Hand Knit

Jedit posted:

It was indeed Gerry Embleton. Here's an example of his Dare.

I have just been reading a blog regarding New Eagle and 200a.d. drat good read.

http://patmills.wordpress.com/tag/gerry-embleton/

NoneMoreNegative
Jul 20, 2000
GOTH FASCISTIC
PAIN
MASTER




shit wizard dad

Myrddin_Emrys posted:

amazing bounty hunter alien who had a loving FLYING GREAT WHITE SHARK ON A CHAIN LEASH!
Hell yes this was awesome as a young kid, I must have been around 10 reading for the first time.

Not so happy with people dissing the photo stories, Doomlord at least was genuine creepy in that stark black & white harsh flashlit style.

Did anyone mention that the Eagle strip 'The Tower King' has gotten a reprint? Even as a youngun I could recognise some powerful artwork:

http://www.comicsy.co.uk/hibernia/store/products/the-tower-king/

Bought that and the Doomlord reprints :cool:

Posted elsewhere, but if you're old enough to have read Eagle and earlier 2000AD you might remember these as well :)

https://plus.google.com/photos/114465960270072175545/albums/5659912859652586929

Jedit
Dec 10, 2011

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NoneMoreNegative posted:

Posted elsewhere, but if you're old enough to have read Eagle and earlier 2000AD you might remember these as well :)

https://plus.google.com/photos/114465960270072175545/albums/5659912859652586929

Oh, I do. I'm so glad that I haven't read a Starblazer in a very long time.

Sentinel Red
Nov 13, 2007
Style > Content.
Ah, the good old days when a price rise meant a whopping TWO WHOLE PENCE and not a pound each time.

Cheers for that link, those covers are ace.

Myrddin_Emrys
Mar 27, 2007

by Hand Knit

NoneMoreNegative posted:


Did anyone mention that the Eagle strip 'The Tower King' has gotten a reprint? Even as a youngun I could recognise some powerful artwork:


The Tower King was an amazing story. I loved it.

Then there was the comedy strips like Joe Soap and Sgt Streetwise.

Leyburn
Aug 31, 2001
I've blown through a load of case files in the past month and the story Revolution from Case Files 11 is absolutely incredible. Dredd is just a total fascist bastard in it and the comic is 100% relevant today, it could have been written yesterday.

Another cracker is Curse Of The Spiderwoman from Case Files 12, whose premise had me rolling my eyes at first - a woman finds herself gradually transforming into a spider over the course of several weeks. But instead of playing it for laughs or going straight up grotesque with it, they treated it 100% seriously and it ended up being a completely horrifying story about her slowly losing her humanity while her family deals with the loss of a mother and wife before she gets forcibly exiled to the Cursed Earth.

What kind of crack was Wagner smoking back then?

Jedit
Dec 10, 2011

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It's going to be the last thing I buy from IDW, but you really need to get hold of the subscriber cover for Judge Dredd: City of Courts #5. Darick Robertson has produced the best Dredd pic I've seen since the days of Bolland. I'll try to post an image when I get home.

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Unknownone
Apr 23, 2003

Some stupid 04 bought me this

Jedit posted:

It's going to be the last thing I buy from IDW, but you really need to get hold of the subscriber cover for Judge Dredd: City of Courts #5. Darick Robertson has produced the best Dredd pic I've seen since the days of Bolland. I'll try to post an image when I get home.

If it's this, then it is beautiful.

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