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ManOfTheYear posted:Started reading Vinland, but a bit dissappointed. I know it's a japanese comic, but why it has to be so.. anime? Here's why: Vinland Saga's early parts (the first six months) were serialized in a weekly Shonen magazine, so it had some themes that it was expected to keep and it kept up on it. After that point it moved to a monthly Seinen magazine and changed tone accordingly. It calms down a bit. If you want to get in on that, just keep reading.
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Puukko naamassa posted:Well, have you checked out Historie already? There's a good summary of it in the OP, and I'd say it's a lot more historically accurate than Vinland Saga. Of course Iwaaki still takes some liberties with history, some of them good (we don't know very much about the life of Eumenes so Iwaaki is free to fill in the gaps with some interesting stuff), some not so good (without going too much into spoiler territory, personally I'm not too keen on how he's handled Hephaestion).
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Apr 24, 2014 21:10
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ManOfTheYear posted:Started reading Vinland, but a bit dissappointed. I know it's a japanese comic, but why it has to be so.. anime? Chapter 35, page 15. Keep reading until at least that page. edit: Also, yeah, the series shifts in tone again later on, and becomes much more somber. Chapter 55 on is practically a completely different series. Fuckshoes fucked around with this message at 03:12 on Apr 25, 2014 |
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Apr 25, 2014 03:09
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Vinland Saga is only REALLY shounen-y in the first few chapters though, it bucks it quick even in the midst of Thorfinn's Knife Adventures what since his first adventure in England is "I got a whole bunch of people murdered!!!"
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Apr 25, 2014 03:50
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German Joey posted:"UGHHH, this is truely something aweful... Why the gently caress did they have to put so much gaddamn ANIME in this here MANGA ??!!?!?" - an actual, literal, and even common complaint by Goons. Yeah it's kinda stupid. It's got a few shounen tropes early but I mean, it's not in a highschool, it's not in japan, there aren't any harems, no giant robots, no super moves
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Apr 25, 2014 04:11
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Zorak posted:Vinland Saga is only REALLY shounen-y in the first few chapters though, it bucks it quick even in the midst of Thorfinn's Knife Adventures what since his first adventure in England is "I got a whole bunch of people murdered!!!" Well the last big thing that happened was Thorfin getting punched in the face 100 times and then giving a big speech that changed everybody's mind. So it really hasn't changed that much.
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coathat posted:Well the last big thing that happened was Thorfin getting punched in the face 100 times and then giving a big speech that changed everybody's mind. So it really hasn't changed that much. IIRC didn't it only convince Cnut, cause Thorfinn understood what he was going through? The being punched in the face just got him to Cnut.
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coathat posted:Well the last big thing that happened was Thorfin getting punched in the face 100 times and then giving a big speech that changed everybody's mind. So it really hasn't changed that much. It didn't change canutes mind
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German Joey posted:"UGHHH, this is truely something aweful... Why the gently caress did they have to put so much gaddamn ANIME in this here MANGA ??!!?!?" - an actual, literal, and even common complaint by Goons. Yeah, I know it sounds - and is - pretty stupid. If a piece of work is part of a certain genre and it has that genre's tropes, there should be no right to complain. What I meant here was that if it's supposed to be historical manga, it should be more true to the time it's set, like having the characters think, talk and function like people did in that culture, not have the same storytelling methods as Naruto has. I may be alone in this, but when the story is supposed to be historical and is set in real places, events and battles with characters being historical people, it feels pretty bad for the story to be some light action-y entertainment. Like, people actually did lose their lives and homes and so on and making that anime or Hollywood schlock just feels inappropriate. I don't care how violent and horrible the stuff is as long at it's clearly fiction, but if it's supposed to be historical, that's a no go. Either go 12 years a slave or don't touch the stuff. Fuckshoes posted:Chapter 35, page 15. Keep reading until at least that page. Okay, I'll stick with it.
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ManOfTheYear posted:Yeah, I know it sounds - and is - pretty stupid. If a piece of work is part of a certain genre and it has that genre's tropes, there should be no right to complain. What I meant here was that if it's supposed to be historical manga, it should be more true to the time it's set, like having the characters think, talk and function like people did in that culture, not have the same storytelling methods as Naruto has. Have you ever read an actual history or saga? Even "enlightened" and "civilized" cultures like Byzantium come up with total horseshit accounts. In the Alexiad which is written by a Byzantine princess about her father fighting invaders; usurping the throne and ruling prior and after the first Crusade, has an account where he loving has his horse leap up something like a 20 foot tall boulder and scoot away. Another segment talks about his brother leading an army and from her account gets hit with what across as a hurricane that floods a nearby river so much that he practically is the second coming of Noah. The real deal sagas are full of exaggerated feats and totally implausible events. Vinland Saga is supposed to be both parts impossible and real, it's emulating the source material. Just look at this passage where Alexius gets speared directly in the chest during a night battle quote:During this time, a Frank, belonging to the Domestic's troops, and, to make a long story short, a brave soldier, instinct with the spirit of Ares, noticed my father coming out from the enemy's centre, bare sword in hand, all smoking with blood, and took him for one of the enemy. In a trice he fell upon him, knocked him on the chest with his spear, and was within an ace of hurling the General off his horse, had the General not seated himself more firmly, and addressed the soldier by name, and threatened to cut off his head with his sword. However, the Frank, by pleading his want of recognition, and the confusion consequent upon a night-battle, was allowed to remain among the living!  So brave and so perfect, I'm sure he wasn't winded or anything!
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Apr 25, 2014 17:42
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Uhh I'm pretty sure it's historical fact that Ramses the Great slew all the fukken Hittites, down to the last man, alone, at the Battle of Kadesh
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ManOfTheYear posted:Yeah, I know it sounds - and is - pretty stupid. If a piece of work is part of a certain genre and it has that genre's tropes, there should be no right to complain. What I meant here was that if it's supposed to be historical manga, it should be more true to the time it's set, like having the characters think, talk and function like people did in that culture, not have the same storytelling methods as Naruto has. How far have you even gotten in Vinland Saga? I don't really understand what you're looking for in a story. As far as I know, there aren't any examples of historical fiction that go as far as to perfectly simulate a different time period's culture. If anything, that would impede an artist's attempt to tell a story, to force an alien perspective on themselves like that.
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Slim Jim Pickens posted:How far have you even gotten in Vinland Saga? For more accessible works: Otoyomegatari comes pretty close, and is even in the thread title. I still think the problem got more to do with hype then anything else. The first chapters of Vinland just don't live up to reviews written by fans of the Knut/Framland arc.
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I kind of wish Vinland Saga hadn't taken a turn for the pacificistic. Its not that surprising considering Planetes but it was nice seeing the same person change genre so drastically
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I dunno I really like that change in pace. It reflects the theme that the story was telling from the beginning and it's nice to see a protagonist who actually properly is a pacifist.
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Apr 25, 2014 21:34
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Welp, continued reading Vinland, and you guys are right, poo poo's pretty good. I like the farming though, I find it more interesting than all the fighting and scheming for the crown.
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Apr 25, 2014 22:01
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New Gunka no Balzar Hahahahha oh my god I never thought they'd actually take on the biggest threat to the military since the dawn of time... VDs contracted from prostitutes.
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God this manga is great
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Apr 25, 2014 23:23
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10/10 Baltzar, you're fantastic.
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It's kinda sad that after dragging my feet on starting that manga forever it's a dude getting mad at people bathing in mercury to treat syphillis that gets me to pick it up.  This month's Vinland was nice. Still getting used to not-beat-the-hell-up-dirty-as-gently caress Thorfinn. I'm glad to see that Sigurd isn't a totally bad sort, despite his ratty looks. Still getting bad vibes from Halfdan though. Gudrid is cool but I'll need a few more chapters to warm up to her, since she's clearly intended to be Thorfinn's love interest.
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I ended up reading all of Vinland and it became so much better than I would have expected. It dropped almost all of the anime tropes really quick and started to find it own voice and became - in my eyes - "a real" story. The art became gorgeous too. Great stuff.
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Latest Vinland chapter is out.
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I really cannot get used to Thorfinn's new look. I just assume it's some character I don't know.
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Thorfinn's developing his harem I see. Would it be so much to ask that instead of "I am son of Thors" they just did Thorsson? Edit: Going back and reading chapter 4, Halfdan is a super dick. Is Thorfinn going to stage a pacifist slave revolt? Gyges fucked around with this message at 02:27 on Apr 29, 2014 |
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Apr 29, 2014 02:17
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So after Violence Saga and Farmland Saga, the series has turned into Harem Saga? And where the gently caress is Thorfinn?
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PFlats posted:I really cannot get used to Thorfinn's new look. I just assume it's some character I don't know.
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To be fair, that was my first reaction when he transitioned into Farm saga too in terms of his looks. Part of it is that his eyes are so much more bright, which is nice. e: I have to wonder how weird it is for Thorfinn's friends and family to get involved with him in high volatile situations that, even though he's a pacifist now, he's competent and experienced enough to probably take on basically anyone on the island. I mean, these are local militias that have never seen action, while Thorfinn lived on the battlefield for over a decade. Zorak fucked around with this message at 04:14 on Apr 29, 2014 |
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Knitted Art posted:New Gunka no Balzar Baltzar/Balzer/Whateverzer is the best. I just really wish they'd release it faster. If they're working from the tankobons why not just do the chapters in each one in one go or something instead of taking a year to do five and a half chapters from the same volume? Which I guess sounds whiny but whatever, it's my favorite series and I just want to read it faster!
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PFlats posted:I really cannot get used to Thorfinn's new look. I just assume it's some character I don't know. This made me laugh at the note at the bottom of page 9. Re-reading chapter 4 was nice as well. A good number of call forwards. Also, I'm not sure I'd call Halfdan a super-dick in that chapter. A thoroughly unpleasant man but to me not for the sake of it which dickishness implies to me, but yes, semantics. Talking of Harem Saga, I like the way the interaction with that slave girl reminds me of the bit where he chats with the slave girl at a dock near the start of the manga. [edit] Here. I do prefer reading it on a big screen but a paper version is handy to flick though. Other aside, did it ever get explained why Floki had it in for Thors? I can't remember. Munin fucked around with this message at 02:49 on Apr 30, 2014 |
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Given that Thors leaving the Jomsvikings was a huge deal punishable by death how did Thorkell just up and leave as he did. I mean, yeah Thorkell would probably single handedly kill an entire army that tried to enforce such a thing but so could Thors for that matter.
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YouTuber posted:Given that Thors leaving the Jomsvikings was a huge deal punishable by death how did Thorkell just up and leave as he did. I mean, yeah Thorkell would probably single handedly kill an entire army that tried to enforce such a thing but so could Thors for that matter. From what is implied in the manga the head of the Jomsvikings had a soft spot for him. One which Floki, his possible rival, did not entirely appreciate. Hence why he might have been most galled to be sent off to the rear end end of nowhere to deliver the invite to the prodical son. This leading him to hire Askellad since he wasn't looking forward to playing second fiddle upon Thors' return. This is not even going into the repeated mentions of Thors being a legend amongst the Jomsvikings. This is all speculation though hence I was curious if that back story was ever clarified. I wonder if "Doughter of the Squadron Chief" actually meant "Daughter of the (possibly future) head of the Jomsvikings. In any case, with various hints and allusions I'm pretty sure Thors' early life would have made a great shounen manga.
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The volume 3 Vinland Saga omnibus is out in the US, and it's pretty great. Volumes 1-3 cover all the way up to the end of Thorfinn & Askeladd's last fight and Canute's resolution to kill Sweyn and take over the kingdom.
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Apparently the person that was scanlating Gisele Alain decided to get out of the scanlation game a few weeks back. Hopefully someone eventually picks it back up.
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Finished reading what was scanlated of Gunka no Baltzar, moving on to the raws. It's sorta strange. I enjoy the manga a lot, but at the same time, I feel that Baltzar/Balzer/whatever himself is a bit strange. It feels to me sort of like he doesn't actually have a defined personality or character, or that he does but it changes as needed according to the demands of the plot in any given scene or chapter. Anyone know what I'm talking about?
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AnonSpore posted:Finished reading what was scanlated of Gunka no Baltzar, moving on to the raws. I get the impression that Baltzar is actually kind of a bad person and him/the series tends to paint anti-military/war interests in a negative light, but I still enjoy reading it regardless just because the setting is really unique and interesting.
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How is the Kingdom anime? Appropriately action-y? Not talkative?
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Munin posted:Talking of Harem Saga, I like the way the interaction with that slave girl reminds me of the bit where he chats with the slave girl at a dock near the start of the manga. [edit] Here. I do prefer reading it on a big screen but a paper version is handy to flick though. Jackard fucked around with this message at 09:07 on May 3, 2014 |
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Susano-maku da! posted:How is the Kingdom anime? Appropriately action-y? Not talkative? Well, a quick look and the words "pretty long" come to mind. There's 39 episodes in season 1 alone.
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Ytlaya posted:I get the impression that Baltzar is actually kind of a bad person and him/the series tends to paint anti-military/war interests in a negative light, but I still enjoy reading it regardless just because the setting is really unique and interesting. You're viewing it backwards. At that timeframe being anti-military/war was an aberration. Just read some of the bullshit American novels from that time period with soldiers getting shot in the head while carrying the American flag and they die in such a manner that the flag never touches the ground. Your viewpoint is a post World War 1 outlook. World War 1 ripped all that bullshit out by the root then burned it and salted the earth. Teddy Roosevelt probably personifies that outlook to the T in his memoirs. It wasn't until World War 1 that even he was shell shocked out of his stupor when his son was killed.
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Blinks77 posted:Well, a quick look and the words "pretty long" come to mind. There's 39 episodes in season 1 alone. EDIT: Wait, that was the end of season 2, and both seasons are ~39 episodes. So maybe not that good. Reading would certainly be faster. Sindai fucked around with this message at 23:23 on May 3, 2014 |
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