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Ok, Eiffel is out, Polnareff is in, all is well with the world. While I am pretty sure that the stands/users with the most outrageously obvious names will get re-named it gives me hope for some of the lesser ones.
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trucutru posted:Ok, Eiffel is out, Polnareff is in, all is well with the world.
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Doctor Zaius posted:Yeah, with this and kakyoin vs grey they're doing a much better job giving the whole crew their moments, unlike the first two parts where only the main jojo was allowed to actually win fights The characters in this arc are more like members of a band, with Jotaro as the lead singer. They all have their limitations and specialties - so they all need to work together. Araki's first two arcs were your martial arts 'train to get more powerful' type things - but Araki got bored with that and realized it'd be more interesting if he made the characters roughly as powerful as they'll ever get out of the gate, and then just made it about using their unique abilities going on dungeons and dragons type adventures. In fact he deliberately modeled the arc after RPG games. The main cast each have stands that reflect certain D&D archetypes; fighter, rogue, mage, cleric. Meanwhile polnaraff is more or less a knight, as his stand implies. Wark Say posted:Look at it from this perspective: While Krillin got the rear end-end of the trade most of the time, Mayumi Tanaka went on to become the voice for the future Pirate King. That's a pretty sweet deal. Hi, I'm the animator. Definitely not ones. Probably might be 3's. (I'd need to be check to be sure. It might even be even lower framerate than 3's. Most American TV productions only use 1's and 2's though - asian ones will often use crazy framerate numbers like 3's, 7's, etc.) But whoever animated it was likely one of the more skilled animators they had on staff. A shot like that demonstrates a very small example of a style known as 'limited full' - where in spite of the low framerate (which saves drawing time and budget) a lot of relatively more complex or weighty motion is conveyed. In more complicated 'limited full' shots you'll see a lot of complex motion conveyed with broad jerkiness that seems to yank you around a bit. In the shot you saw here, it's being used in a bit more subtle way, with characters coveying a bit more realistic seeming action. The rest of the episode uses a lot of very limited animation, except for some more complicated shots. I think they were determined to show off some good bits of animation for the fans and also give their animators some warm-up to set the tone of the invention and creativity that the artists can riff on the show later when they put more budget into certain episodes over others. Letting the audience know that they can and will do good animation where they want to is a pretty good strategy - because it means we have something to look forward to later, and can excuse episodes that have far more limited animation in between the ones that have the glitzy stuff. As the show goes on, we're likely to see some episodes that have more interesting and complicated animation than others - dependent on budget, time constraints, what artists they have on staff at the time, and creative freedom (and inspiration) of the artists. (As well as growing experience that staff artists gain.) I notice that while episode 1 & 2 have moments of (relatively) elaborate animation (the moneyshot in episode 2 being the slo-mo facepunch shot) episodes 3 through 5 feature particularly conservative animation though - which IMO is understandable, and common practice for these kinds of shows. The big guns will be coming out later. For now, the story is interesting enough to keep people watching and moving through - the biggest moneyshots in the series are likely to get the platinum treatment. Axe cop, which I work on, is meant to look a bit like the kinds of animation you'd see in 80s or 90s shows that would often be animated overseas - except it's actually animated domestically in Hollywood. Unlike those old school 80's Japanese animation studios that would use 3's and other jerky framerate numbers, we only use framerates of 1's and 2's because that tends to be what our animators are trained to handle. I could definitely see us trying things that are more in the vein of how the Japanese do it, with strange techniques and framerate numbers though. In fact I actually want to try experimenting with that sometime soon, after I get my new cintiq in about 2-3 weeks. There's also a few people here who usually handle the crazier action shots, similar to how specialist animators do more elaborate 'sakuga' animation in Japan, but I've not really seen any hugely complex standout sequences up to now. The more experienced artists are definitely eager to do that if the opportunity presents though. Oh yeah - and a faithful adaption of Araki's masterwork lends itself really well to structuring pacing for an animated series with an economized budget. There are lots of still images of iconic *Jojo Poses* that can just be that with a camera shake and/or a character flapping his lips to speak. Add in pretty stylized texturing and colors, and you just cut your animation budget down considerably so you can spend more time/money on the really cool animation for where you want to use it most. The jojo poses are so interesting to look at and such an important part of the series that it doesn't feel like a cheat so much as a faithful nod to fans. Spacedad fucked around with this message at 11:34 on May 3, 2014 |
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I think the best part of this so far is how outrageously they are hyping DIO with each episode (each episode is outdoing the previous in this regard). I don't think I've ever seen anything quite like it before. Maybe Griffith from Berserk in the second half? It's starting to get really funny. I'm starting to crack up whenever I hear the Double Bass opening of DIO's music.
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There is a reason why his name is always written as DIO.
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Holy poo poo Polnareff's pose at the end - that's magical! Also this is the only show I've ever watched where I'm actually looking forward to hearing the characters explain everything while it's happening.
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Spacedad posted:[spoiler] You are a good dad, Spacedad.  I wish I could high-five you right now.
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ichibanMuffin posted:I think the best part of this so far is how outrageously they are hyping DIO with each episode (each episode is outdoing the previous in this regard). I don't think I've ever seen anything quite like it before. Maybe Griffith from Berserk in the second half? It's starting to get really funny. I'm starting to crack up whenever I hear the Double Bass opening of DIO's music. I like that they're obscuring his face, even though we already know what Dio looks like.
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Momomo posted:I like that they're obscuring his face, even though we already know what Dio looks like. Hey man, how do you know he didn't grow a thick, luxuriant mustache at some point? 
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I think my favorite part about Dio is that now that we know he has control over his hair, that implies that his hair waving in every scene he's in is just him waving his own hair around dramatically.
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The last episode had a pretty great opener - gently caress your fire clock, who do you think I am?
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Renoistic posted:Holy poo poo Polnareff's pose at the end - that's magical! Also this is the only show I've ever watched where I'm actually looking forward to hearing the characters explain everything while it's happening. We've only BEGUN to pose.  Also, for anyone who hasn't seen it, here's Araki meeting the man whose 'man with no name' character he modeled Jotaro's personality off of.  Clint Eastwood poses. Do You Even Pose? It's worth noting that the "Man with no name" was inspired by Akira Kurosawa's "Yojimbo." Which in turn was inspired by western films, as opposed to more distinctly Japanese cinema masters like Ozu. Funny how much everything winds up influencing everything, isn't it? Hell, the guile hairdo that's in team fortress 2 from xcom's preorder is a result of a fad among American comic artists in the 90's of imitating the popular Street Fighter 2 which itself borrowed/stole from Jojo designs, particularly Guile's haircut from Stroheim. The guile hairdo trope itself became iconic with the first xcom's designs, and was included as a preorder and DLC feature for the xcom remake - and a TF2 cosmetic tie-in. So even my favorite game TF2 has an indirect Jojo reference in it. I feel like we could do a version of 6 degrees of Kevin Bacon type thing and track just how much Araki has influenced people who didn't realize they were being influenced. On that note, several of the designers and animators I work with are big Jojo fans - you will also find a considerable number of Jojo fans among superhero comic artists and action/scifi storyboard artists in general. And I've already inserted Jojo characters into the backdrops of Axe Cop episodes. So I guess I'm doing my part. 
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Prison Warden posted:There is a reason why his name is always written as DIO. Excuse me, I think you mean DIO-sama. Even a child knows that. This video has a little child saying the names of Jojo characters (including Ora-Ora man) from future series, so if you don't want to learn any names don't click. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjfJKLueAKQ trucutru fucked around with this message at 23:29 on May 3, 2014 |
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trucutru posted:Excuse me, I think you mean DIO-sama. Even a child knows that. DIO-sama 
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Calling Jotaro "Ora Ora" is the most adorable thing.
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That video will always be incredibly I think this came up in the general thread a long time ago, but doesn't the dad read JoJo to the kid as a bedtime story? You've got to wonder how the dad manages to make it fit for two-year-old consumption.
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Well Manicured Man posted:That video will always be incredibly He skips the more violent parts apparently.
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There's even two more vids like that, one featuring the kid looking at figures of the characters and singing parts of Sono Chi No Sadame at the end and one with her and her dad at an arena doing JoJo poses with other fans. It seriously owns. EDIT: Oh right, I forgot he skips the more violent parts. Captain Baal fucked around with this message at 00:23 on May 4, 2014 |
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I am rather curious to know what he told her happens to Jonathan.
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I think it's a boy. Or at least the video descriptions say it's a boy but that may be incorrect.
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Orgia Carnaval posted:I swear to god, someone is gonna find a way to make one of these out of every episode. I eagerly await the fire-clock version.
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  Also, if anyone hasn't seen this yet, an expansive list of various pose references that Araki has used in Jojo. That list highlights the reason for the androgynous nature of many characters - Araki just uses both male and female fashion models and sketches for his male characters.
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Dunno if it's obvious but the above link has spoiler characters from future Jojo parts. Nothing too serious though, it's pretty cool!
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I fundamentally enjoy Kakyoin's face in this situation.
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Nessus posted:I fundamentally enjoy Kakyoin's face in this situation. I will never stop being entranced by Grandpa Joe's luxurious eyelashes
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Time for Stand Stats and Powers. Stat Explanation Star Platinum Tower of Gray Hermit Purple Magician's Red Silver Chariot Dark Blue Moon Strength Ebony Devil Yellow Temperance Emperor Hanged Man Empress Today we have Noriaki Kakyoin and Hierophant Green.   Stats Destructive Power: Rank C Speed: Rank B Range: Rank A Durability: Rank B Precision: Rank C Developmental Potential: Rank D Abilities Long Range: Hierophant Green is the very first Long-Range Stand shown in the series, and it has a large amount of abilities to assist it in combat and scouting. Hierophant Green is also very sensitive to movement and can react very quickly. However, the Stand is relatively weak in direct hand-to-hand combat, as a trade-off for its great distance-based abilities. Control: Hierophant Green's most unusual ability, by extending its coils and sliding them into a person, Kakyoin is able to control that person. This serves to protect Hierophant Green from attacks, as very few people are willing to attack an innocent person. Additionally, he can completely destroy the controlled being's air passage as he emerges, as well as the host's internal organs. When this ability is first used, Kakyoin is shown holding a marionette by the strings, but this is just for dramatic effect. Coiled Body: As Hierophant Green is not a physical manifestation, but instead just a group of connected membranes, it is able to stretch itself to cover long distances. This means that, if attacked, it can simply uncoil itself to avoid damage, without hurting Kakyoin himself. The unfurled strips can be used to scout the layout of the area, as anything the Stand "hears" transmits back to the user. The Strips can also be used for combat as they can be arranged and controlled from a long distance away from the main body. Emerald Splash: Hierophant Green's most powerful ability. It gathers energy into its body, before firing off a large amount of energy which takes the form of emeralds. The blast's range and shotgun-like dispersion, along with its destructive power, make Hierophant Green a capable combatant. Pros and Cons Pros Long Range allows to user to stay out of danger. Emerald Splash can be freely used and is not taxing on the user. It's coils grant it a great deal of versatility. Cons Crappy in close combat. Emerald Splash does the most damage at point blank range were all the emeralds will hit. The father it is away the less damage Emerald Splash will do and as stated Hierophant Green is not very good in close combat. Emerald Splash does not hit hard enough to badly damage stands and objects that are more durable then a normal person Next time. Jean Pierre Polnareff and Silver Chariot MonsterEnvy fucked around with this message at 05:41 on Jun 21, 2014 |
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MonsterEnvy posted:Today we have Noriaki Kakyoin and Magician's Red. I believe you mean Hierophant Green, here.
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I never really understood Hierophant Green being classified as the first long-range stand. Magician's Red doesn't seem to have problems striking at considerable distances compared to, say, Star Platinum.
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I think that means "it can move far away from the user" not "can attack at a distance".
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That's exactly what it means.
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Correct lets compare them. Magician's Red has C ranked range. Meaning that Magician's Red and it's flames are capable of moving and being controlled around 20 meters of Avdol. If something is out of that range Avdol and his flames can't effect it. (This does mean that if someone ran out of his range while on fire from his flames would stop being burned) Hierophant Green has A ranked range meaning it can affect things around 100 meters (or possibly even more) away from Kakyoin.
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This is more autistic than Type Moon superpowers
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Can Shiki kill servants? (yes) But seriously discussing power levels of stands are generally pointless as it basically comes down to the intelligence of the user using the stand and how creative they can be with it.
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Phobophilia posted:This is more autistic than Type Moon superpowers Personally I'm glad that we just get whatever Araki thought would make for a better fight instead of seriously pondering who would really win with made up powersets.
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boredsatellite posted:Can Shiki kill servants? (yes) Indeed but some stands are better then others in some areas. Anyway This is not power levels once again. This is just a listing of stand powers and what they can do.
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boredsatellite posted:Can Shiki kill servants? (yes) If you can't enjoy stupid bullshit stats that don't matter in any context then I don't really know what to say to you.
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