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xeria posted:Wasn't it a very big deal years ago when South Park had an episode where they (meaning cable tv) could finally say 'poo poo' uncensored? In season 5 they had an episode "It Hits the Fan" where the word 'poo poo' was said uncensored 162 times in the episode. That was back in 2001. However, that kind of illustrates my point. They were always ALLOWED to say it (from a regulatory perspective) because there's no regulation of content on cable by the FCC since it's a private network. It was all down to what the channel itself allowed. South Park ran with that because that's the kind of thing they do. Comedy Central was largely ok with it simply because it was South Park (which was already known to be wildly offensive) and it was being advertised as such. The original concept of the episode was only to say it a few times and Comedy Central wouldn't allow it. But, because they decided to do it in excess, it was now allowed because of context. Basically, people knew what they were getting into when they watched the episode, so the risk of backlash over the content was lower. Now though, its being allowed in shows that aren't explicitly setting out to be shocking or necessarily have a mature audience warning on them. Continuum is tamer than most network shows nowadays, they just happen to use the word 'poo poo' because that's how normal people talk. Up until very recently, that wouldn't be allowed by the network and be censored out because people wouldn't be expecting to find language in a time traveling science fiction show that was otherwise not especially graphic or violent. But there's definitely a change in culture happening on these networks where they realize some casual swearing isn't going to scare off their advertisers or viewers.
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bull3964 posted:In season 5 they had an episode "It Hits the Fan" where the word 'poo poo' was said uncensored 162 times in the episode. That was back in 2001. Maybe I'm mis-remembering, but wasn't it also spurred on by some other show making a big deal about how they were gonna say 'poo poo' uncensored? I always remembered it as being a reaction to that. Sort of making fun of how the other show was acting like it was such a huge amazing deal to say the word poo poo, so instead of making a big deal about saying it once, they just said it over and over again until it completely lost all meaning? Anyway eventually we're gonna get to the point where kids tv shows are dropping f bombs left right and center. I can't wait. PootieTang fucked around with this message at 18:53 on May 4, 2014 |
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PootieTang posted:Maybe I'm mis-remembering, but wasn't it also spurred on by some other show making a big deal about how they were gonna say 'poo poo' uncensored? I always remembered it as being a reaction to that. Sort of making fun of how the other show was acting like it was such a huge amazing deal to say the word poo poo, so instead of making a big deal about saying it once, they just said it over and over again until it completely lost all meaning? Chicago Hope said 'poo poo' for the first time on network TV in 1999. It was two years later, but this episode was largely lampooning the hype around that event. It wasn't technically making fun of the show directly since it was a risk for Chicago Hope to do that since they are under FCC regulation, but they were making fun of everyone's reaction to it. The problem with the FCC regs are that they are vague and rely on context. quote:An average person, applying contemporary community standards, must find that the material, as a whole, appeals to the prurient interest; So, what the FCC deems obscene can shift with cultural shifts because the very first test is a against contemporary community standards. Even when they define some hard metrics (times when obscene language is forbidden), the definition isn't hard and defined. quote:The FCC has defined profanity as including language so grossly offensive to members of the public who actually hear it as to amount to a nuisance. Like indecency, profane speech is prohibited on broadcast radio and television between the hours of 6 a.m. and 10 p.m. So, basically, if your audience doesn't care, you are in the clear. But, it also allows a loud but small minority to cause major issues and get shows in trouble over content. bull3964 fucked around with this message at 19:08 on May 4, 2014 |
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xeria posted:Wasn't it a very big deal years ago when South Park had an episode where they (meaning cable tv) could finally say 'poo poo' uncensored? Cable TV can do pretty much whatever it likes short of airing hardcore porn (and if there's even a limit on that, I think there are watershed hours when it's okay). The only thing that has ever kept cable channels back is their own individual S&P's out of fear of losing advertisers / not being carried by service providers. bull3964 posted:Now though, its being allowed in shows that aren't explicitly setting out to be shocking or necessarily have a mature audience warning on them. Continuum is tamer than most network shows nowadays, they just happen to use the word 'poo poo' because that's how normal people talk. Up until very recently, that wouldn't be allowed by the network and be censored out because people wouldn't be expecting to find language in a time traveling science fiction show that was otherwise not especially graphic or violent. But there's definitely a change in culture happening on these networks where they realize some casual swearing isn't going to scare off their advertisers or viewers. Pretty much this. raditts fucked around with this message at 19:20 on May 4, 2014 |
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bull3964 posted:So, what the FCC deems obscene can shift with cultural shifts because the very first test is a against contemporary community standards. Sometimes it doesn't even need full cultural shifts to happen. In case people had forgotten, Janet Jackson's boob coming uncovered at the Superbowl singlehandedly scaled back what the FCC allowed on Network TV. Before that you had a few shows like NYPD Blue showing bareass and the like. And it led to them making another (thankfully unsuccessful) attempt to get control of content on cable. hcreight fucked around with this message at 19:23 on May 4, 2014 |
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bull3964 posted:They really have though. Fair enough. I guess I've just been lucky with my pick of shows, as the only one you mentioned that censors poo poo that I watch regularly is Venture Bros and I didn't recall them doing it (they tend to use the censor bleeps themselves as a joke, like on Operation P.R.O.M, so I probably didn't think twice about it).
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hcreight posted:Sometimes it doesn't even need full cultural shifts to happen. In case people had forgotten, Janet Jackson's boob coming uncovered at the Superbowl singlehandedly scaled back what the FCC allowed on Network TV. Before that you had a few shows like NYPD Blue showing bareass and the like. And it led to them making another (thankfully unsuccessful) attempt to get control of content on cable. I remember being very surprised when I saw that the Stargate pilot had full frontal nudity.
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bull3964 posted:Up until really recently, only a few networks (eg. FX, AMC) let a few of their flagship shows (eg. Archer, Breaking Bad, TWD) say 'poo poo' on a regular basis. There were one-ofs here and there, but by and large it was still usually bleeped or muted. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEgv9JmReys This sperg made one for every season.
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Irish Joe posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEgv9JmReys I didn't know Dany DeVito was in a sitcom, that looks fun.
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He's in the best sitcom. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=woA-ogAQL6EIrish Joe posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEgv9JmReys https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1bUaSejbFqI PittTheElder fucked around with this message at 21:40 on May 4, 2014 |
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Kurtofan posted:I didn't know Dany DeVito was in a sitcom, that looks fun. He joined the show in the second season and he's super weird in it.
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Kurtofan posted:Can I skip directly to season 2? Actually, you could, but I would still go back to watching the first season eventually. It's a great show and hasn't really seen a dramatic drop in quality. The show has been renewed until season 12. (9 have aired)
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Kurtofan posted:Can I skip directly to season 2? Lycus fucked around with this message at 21:49 on May 4, 2014 |
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Kurtofan posted:Can I skip directly to season 2? Yeah, until he joined they didn't really do recurring plots.
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Thanks, I don't think I watched a new sitcom since Friends ended.
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lelandjs posted:Drop whatever you're doing and watch 30 Rock immediately. Or don't. 30 Rock is lovely. Go watch New Girl.
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Keep in mind, Ravane is apparently just a big idiot. So consider it an endorsement.Kurtofan posted:Can I skip directly to season 2? You can, but don't, it's only 6 episodes.
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The characters and storylines on It's Always Sunny get a whole lot weirder after DeVito joins though. I like the first season, but it really is a lot different from what the show eventually became.
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Ravane posted:Or don't. 30 Rock is lovely. Go watch New Girl. I don't love 30R as much as some others, but of all other choices... New Girl? Really?
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scary ghost dog posted:Ravane only heard of Alfred Hitchcock like two weeks ago
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I'm watching the Supernatural episode where everything turns into cartoon logic and this is one of the dumbest goddamned things I've ever seen.
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If you skip the first season of Always Sunny then you skip the introduction of the McPoyles. That alone to me is enough reason to watch the very short first season. But its a good season all on its own. Its much more grounded and less insane but so is Season 2 when Devito joins the cast. Part of the joy of the show is watching the characters go progressively more insane through the years. Watching them in Season 1 where they actually resemble normal human beings is part of that.Kurtofan posted:I remember being very surprised when I saw that the Stargate pilot had full frontal nudity. I believe the first season of Stargate was actually on Showtime. And I think that "did you gently caress my mother?" episode of Always Sunny was direct to DVD. STAC Goat fucked around with this message at 23:53 on May 4, 2014 |
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STAC Goat posted:I believe the first season of Stargate was actually on Showtime. Several seasons were on Showtime, but they decided to make it more PG-13 after the pilot. They were probably looking ahead toward syndication.
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Season 1 of Always Sunny has some classics even without DeVito, my favorite probably being "The Gang Finds a Dead Guy". It's not a P&R situation here, it's worth seeing season 1.
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PittTheElder posted:Keep in mind, Ravane is apparently just a big idiot. So consider it an endorsement. If you think being an idiot revolves around a lack of knowledge on television and cinema, I'm proud to call myself an ignoramus. I don't spend my time supplicating the television in search of a good show; a book could better appease me. I simply observe american television to remind myself that I am superior to these simians, who clearly lack a grasp on their mental faculties, yet show no signs of valetudinarianism because they are not capable of self-conscious thought. Bitch.
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Ravane posted:If you think being an idiot revolves around a lack of knowledge on television and cinema, I'm proud to call myself an ignoramus. I don't spend my time supplicating the television in search of a good show; a book could better appease me. I simply observe american television to remind myself that I am superior to these simians, who clearly lack a grasp on their mental faculties, yet show no signs of valetudinarianism because they are not capable of self-conscious thought. Bitch.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=56OzqxGMr_U
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STAC Goat posted:If you skip the first season of Always Sunny then you skip the introduction of the McPoyles. That alone to me is enough reason to watch the very short first season. But its a good season all on its own. Its much more grounded and less insane but so is Season 2 when Devito joins the cast. Part of the joy of the show is watching the characters go progressively more insane through the years. Watching them in Season 1 where they actually resemble normal human beings is part of that.
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PittTheElder posted:Season 1 also introduces Dennis and Dee's grandfather, and the highschool kids, all of whom pop up at least once more I think. But yeah, the McPoyles are the big draw, along with seeing the gang as normal people. The experience if learning more and more about Dennis in particular is really something.
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Ravane posted:If you think being an idiot revolves around a lack of knowledge on television and cinema, I'm proud to call myself an ignoramus. I don't spend my time supplicating the television in search of a good show; a book could better appease me. I simply observe american television to remind myself that I am superior to these simians, who clearly lack a grasp on their mental faculties, yet show no signs of valetudinarianism because they are not capable of self-conscious thought. Bitch. I think if you are largely unaware of pop culture, you will not enjoy reference-heavy TV like 30 Rock and will enjoy relatively simple comedy like New Girl.
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I love New Girl and 30 Rock, but yeah, if you're as ignorant to pop culture as Ravane has presented him/herself as then you're really not going to get something like 50% of what 30 Rock is serving up. And yeah, there's a lot in the 1st Season of Always Sunny to make it worth watching. I just thought the McPoyles and seeing the Gang be semi sane human beings are the two biggest takeaways. But yeah, The Gang Finds A Dead Guy is a classic and there's a lot of other important/classic things in there.
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Jingleheimer posted:The first season of Sunny also shows more than a couple people in the bar and the gang actually serving customers. Also the pilot episode is probably the most screentime a black character has ever gotten in the entire show's run.
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bull3964 posted:Continuum is tamer than most network shows nowadays, they just happen to use the word 'poo poo' because that's how normal people talk. Canadian shows have never given a poo poo about poo poo.
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Always Sunny is one of the most freakishly consistent comedies since the Seinfeld/Frasier/etc "golden age". And I personally find it a lot funnier than all those shows bar Seinfeld. Not that Frasier isn't funny, but Always Sunny is just... loving hilarious.
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Lycus posted:And The Waitress. drat, how did I forget about her, she's the best one.
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precision posted:Always Sunny is one of the most freakishly consistent comedies since the Seinfeld/Frasier/etc "golden age". And I personally find it a lot funnier than all those shows bar Seinfeld. Not that Frasier isn't funny, but Always Sunny is just... loving hilarious. IT'S ALWAYS SUNNY... has had low spots, to be certain, but owes a lot of its acclaim to that calm wavelength of consistency you mention. Further, any and all SEINFELD comparisons ever are apt as they are unquestionably father and son.
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