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Snowdens Secret posted:http://www.nbcnews.com/news/investigations/spy-plane-fries-air-traffic-control-computers-shuts-down-lax-n95886 There has to be way more to this. U-2s are based out at Beale they; must interact with LA center all the time.
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I think I saw a NASA ER-2 (U-2) doing a flight out of Palmdale on a flight tracking website a couple days ago, though.
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Relevant to the U-2 story: Lockheed-Martin is the prime contractor for ERAM.
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Jealous Cow posted:There are small bits of ice coming out of the cabin vents on the EMB145 I'm on. Hope that doesn't become a problem. Every helicopter I have ever worked on has produced some combination of snow, ice, sleet, or rain with the A/C on. I think it's just a hallmark of aging hvac systems bolted onto the airframe.
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Davin Valkri posted:That seems counterproductive. Doesn't military hardware usually have A/C for the sake of the computers onboard, with crew benefits being a handy but secondary concern? In this case, the hardware has a dedicated forced cooling system. AC is to keep the crew alive.
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Godholio posted:In this case, the hardware has a dedicated forced cooling system. AC is to keep the crew alive. I eventually printed out and kept handy the part of the tech manual that deadlines my equipment for lack of AC and explicitly says the AC is to prevent heat casualties from the crew.
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$550 and 30k miles for 15 hours in a lie-flat seat. Worth it. Also, what the gently caress is up with this? Seen one pull up to United gates at both ATL and LAX. 
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hobbesmaster posted:There has to be way more to this. U-2s are based out at Beale they; must interact with LA center all the time. There is. It had to do with the way things were entered that messed up the system. At least that's what the briefing item told me.
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Jealous Cow posted:$550 and 30k miles for 15 hours in a lie-flat seat. Worth it. Looks like it's lettered for Delta. The ultimate follow-me car?
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There's nothing  about it. Just another ERAM bug with hilariously high profile consequences.The phone calls between DC, OKC, and LockMart must be amusing.
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Jealous Cow posted:Also, what the gently caress is up with this? Seen one pull up to United gates at both ATL and LAX. It looks like a couple airlines have programs where they shuttle people to their connecting flights in reserved luxury vehicles. http://thepointsguy.com/2013/07/united-adds-mercedes-benz-car-service-for-select-global-services-and-first-class-passengers/ http://www.ajc.com/news/business/more-delta-passengers-getting-porsche-lifts/nZzyF/
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Linedance posted:Yeah they, err, kinda do that. I remember they always had a bad condensation problem, and various engineering fixes were rolled out to alleviate it. Don't remember if they ever really sorted it out... probably not, it IS bombardier. they've been riding on the coat tails of Dehavilland for YEARS
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MrYenko posted:There's nothing All the media reports make it sound like the plane itself crashed the system, which isn't even remotely the case, but of course people are running with it.
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fknlo posted:All the media reports make it sound like the plane itself crashed the system, which isn't even remotely the case, but of course people are running with it. The majority of (who am I kidding, all of them,) news reports are almost completely free of accuracy.
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Want to be one of the last people to fly in a Lancaster - across the Atlantic? It'll cost you, reserve bid is 40 large: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/hamilton/news/got-40k-you-could-cross-the-atlantic-in-a-lancaster-bomber-1.2630060
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Jealous Cow posted:
This happens fairly often at ORD. If the crew is unfamiliar they'll get permission from the correct ramp controller to enter the alley but then enter the wrong alley. In terminal 2 and 3 the concourses are set up so that the even numbered gates of a certain letter are on one side, the odd ones on another. It makes it easy to find your way around the terminals when you're in them but from an operational standpoint parking at G5 and parking at G6 requires entering a different alley and even talking to a different ramp controller.
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we turned into the wrong side of terminal 2 at ORD and we're now doing a slow 360 to turn around. What the gently caress is going on with this flight.
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According to Wikipedia, in 2013 ORD got an average of 183,314 pax a days, and 2419 "aircraft operations", which I assume is either a take-off or landing. So you get roughly 1209 aircrafts visits a day. Kind of makes sense when you think about it that way, especially when you consider that aircrafts are operated and marshalled by trained personnel, some or most of whom would be familiar with the airport. Passengers, meanwhile, can be assumed to have the intelligence of an eight year old who hasn't had his nap. FrozenVent fucked around with this message at 07:55 on May 4, 2014 |
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Naturally Selected posted:
I don't travel much at all, but every airport I've ever been in has the gates numbered odd on one side and even on the other as you are walking down a given concourse.
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FrozenVent posted:According to Wikipedia, in 2013 ORD got an average of 183,314 pax a days, and 2419 "aircraft operations", which I assume is either a take-off or landing. So you get roughly 1209 aircrafts visits a day. You're giving them a lot of credit... If I saw them shuffling around, arms outstretched, requesting brains from passers by, I probably wouldn't blink an eye. Someone should make a zombie movie set in a departure lounge, and the twist is... Nobody notices there's zombies in the airport.
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There's no particular reason that internal gates for passengers to go to and external stands for aircraft to park on have to have the same labels. That way it transfers any confusion to local airport workers only, who should already be familiar with the layout, and away from passengers and aircrews who are not so familiar with a given airport.
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Linedance posted:You're giving them a lot of credit... If I saw them shuffling around, arms outstretched, requesting brains from passers by, I probably wouldn't blink an eye. Wasn't that the last level of the first Left 4 Dead?
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More like the movie Idiocracy. Here are a few examples of questions I've been asked in the airport: "Is this gate G4?" (asked to me while I was standing in front of a desk with 2 foot tall letters saying G4) "Is this flight going to leave on time?" (Asked 5 minutes after departure time) "Can't you just change it quickly?" (Asked by a customer after I told them that I could not change their seat because I don't work for the airline they were flying on)
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KodiakRS posted:More like the movie Idiocracy. On the other hand, I got stuck explaining to not only a mindless clerk, but then later several corporate reps, that I shouldn't have to pay for being a no-show to a flight when I showed up but the flight was cancelled and not available for literally days after, which rendered the flight a completely loving moot point. I seriously had them asking repeatedly why I didn't take the flight. Then I'd say "I would have loved to, but you cancelled the flight" and then they'd counter with, "well, yes, but we offered to fly you out three days later?" Then they'd transfer me to some other person who would once again be perplexed as to why I was refusing to get on the flight that did not exist. The thing that really confused them was that the first leg of the connection was not cancelled, so they were offering to fly me to Atlanta where I would wait three days for the next leg of the flight with zero hotel compensation. Nevermind that I would miss the event I was trying to fly to anyway.
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Jealous Cow posted:$550 and 30k miles for 15 hours in a lie-flat seat. Worth it. It's a Porsche Panamera, the worst Porsche... in the world.
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^^^ I thought that title belonged to the Cayenne? Is there a website that lets one search planes registered to a particular owner? I wanted to check out what a few corporations own as business jets, but it seemed like the FAA and other sites I came across don't let you search by owner, which I assume has to be actually visible somewhere.
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mobby_6kl posted:^^^ http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/Name_Inquiry.aspx Seems to work for google as an example, although it doesn't find their 757 or 767 (which are probably leased), only their cessna e: their 767 (N2767) is registered to 'Blue City Holdings', and searching for that with the name search does indeed find it, their 757 (N1757) is a 'bank of utah trustee' registration, who seem to hold a lot (1193) of registrations for private owners SybilVimes fucked around with this message at 16:09 on May 5, 2014 |
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Almost all private aircraft are likely to be owned by a holding corporation for liability and other legal reasons so that kind of search may not be useful.
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Well I did manage to find two of our helicopters, but no planes, which are probably registered through a holding company as you guys suggest. Thanks!
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Brovine posted:There's no particular reason that internal gates for passengers to go to and external stands for aircraft to park on have to have the same labels. That way it transfers any confusion to local airport workers only, who should already be familiar with the layout, and away from passengers and aircrews who are not so familiar with a given airport. So instead of one unified system that works consistently if not perfectly for airport passengers and employees both in and outside the terminal, we should have two systems which are completely different so it doesn't work for any group? Pity any employee who works both in and outside the terminal on a regular basis and/or anyone who has to try and direct a passenger (or pilot  ) to a gate? I don't think so. also, I flew through Baltimore (BWI) and Chicago Midway the other day. They're airports! BWI claims to have won awards for "best airport food" but I sure don't see it  One thing I don't get, though - anyone know why Midway has this really weird spur off Terminal A? Gates A4A/A4B:  it just seems so awkward. You have to walk down a long as poo poo hallway to find two gates, one of which is crammed at the very far end of said long, narrow hallway, and the other isn't much better. (That graphic is somewhat misleading - both jetways are at the very tip of that spur, the planes stack up side by side)
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Psion posted:it just seems so awkward. You have to walk down a long as poo poo hallway to find two gates, one of which is crammed at the very far end of said long, narrow hallway, and the other isn't much better. (That graphic is somewhat misleading - both jetways are at the very tip of that spur, the planes stack up side by side) I believe they used to be the international gates, with extra security in the 'long hallway'. At least, I'm pretty sure that's what I remember them being ~1996/7 (when I was there last), there were X-ray gates at each of the 3 spurs back then, but the A and B spurs were always turned off, whereas the A4 spur was manned. I imagine these days you have to go thru TSA on any gate, so it doesn't matter which is which. e: SybilVimes fucked around with this message at 18:40 on May 5, 2014 |
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Gate A4A and A4B have their own pages on Foursquare, where people complain about it. This is kind of hilarious: A4A and A4Bquote:I think this gate may actually be at Ohare ;-) quote:Should have called this BFE, as it is away from darn near everything. quote:All the Chicago kids going to Hogwarts use this gate Also, this is an accurate description: http://www.airliners.net/aviation-forums/general_aviation/read.main/1233759/ It looks like pre-09 they weren't connected to the rest of A Concourse, so your idea about international seems likely. Psion fucked around with this message at 19:01 on May 5, 2014 |
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mlmp08 posted:On the other hand, I got stuck explaining to not only a mindless clerk, but then later several corporate reps, that I shouldn't have to pay for being a no-show to a flight when I showed up but the flight was cancelled and not available for literally days after, which rendered the flight a completely loving moot point. I seriously had them asking repeatedly why I didn't take the flight. Then I'd say "I would have loved to, but you cancelled the flight" and then they'd counter with, "well, yes, but we offered to fly you out three days later?" Delta landed me in Greenville, SC as a divert from a storm and then refused to refund me the other two legs of my flight as I never checked in to them, therefore I was a no show. The check in point? ATLANTA.
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mlmp08 posted:On the other hand, I got stuck explaining to not only a mindless clerk, but then later several corporate reps, that I shouldn't have to pay for being a no-show to a flight when I showed up but the flight was cancelled and not available for literally days after, which rendered the flight a completely loving moot point. I seriously had them asking repeatedly why I didn't take the flight. Then I'd say "I would have loved to, but you cancelled the flight" and then they'd counter with, "well, yes, but we offered to fly you out three days later?" "Trip-in-vain" is usually the magic phrase when you get a competent agent. I've used it in similar situations with no problem, but I also had status at the time so while that didn't grant me any stated benefits in the situation maybe it made them more willing to work with me? Also got my full EQM for the flight I didn't take which pushed me over the amount I needed and renewed my status for the next year.
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Psion posted:So instead of one unified system that works consistently if not perfectly for airport passengers and employees both in and outside the terminal, we should have two systems which are completely different so it doesn't work for any group? Pity any employee who works both in and outside the terminal on a regular basis and/or anyone who has to try and direct a passenger (or pilot Can't speak for anywhere I haven't been, but at STN (London Stansted) it is exactly like this. I'm sure it has problems, but those problems are with local staff only - rather than planes taxiing the wrong way or passengers getting more lost than normal. I think Heathrow is the same way. London City matches gates to stands, but then they're all in a straight line so it's a bit harder to mix them up. (Even then, stands 12/13/14 are all gate 2B - if I remember correctly - for buses.)
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Psion posted:One thing I don't get, though - anyone know why Midway has this really weird spur off Terminal A? Gates A4A/A4B: SybilVimes posted:I believe they used to be the international gates, with extra security in the 'long hallway'. Yeah, and it's not like MDW has any real estate to spare: https://www.google.com/maps/@41.7857906,-87.743371,1383m/data=!3m1!1e3
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Yeah it's like, spitting distance from the window of A4B to the security fence and/or the houses across the street. I wonder how effective the noise wall is (not very, I bet) I saw two Blackhawks - I think MH-60s since they had that huge-rear end refueling probe out the front - fly over Seattle earlier today and that was cool, but when I was out for lunch a B-17 came in, presumably to Boeing Field. Pretty sure it was the Memphis Belle. today's been a pretty good day for "seeing cool stuff out the window"
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Cocoa Crispies posted:Yeah, and it's not like MDW has any real estate to spare: https://www.google.com/maps/@41.7857906,-87.743371,1383m/data=!3m1!1e3 That schematic has North in the wrong direction, looks like 
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Don't know if there's a training op or what but I saw a few MH-60s too on the way from Tacoma to Olympia. When I was still in my squad leaders twin brother was a crew chief with the 160th on base, and I got to do a ride along flying around south Puget sound. There's just something awesome about blackhawks that I love
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