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Kaldaris posted:Well, the Sinner is one of Four Big Bad Dudes as I understand it. Seeing people use what I assume was lightning spear when I helped out on the lost sinner does explain why my magic seemed so crap on bosses in that I'd gone the wrong way
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Kimmalah posted:You should also keep checking with merchants, since once you reach certain milestones in the game they'll acquire new items or unlimited stock. Aren't the "new milestones" almost all "spend X amount of souls with them?"
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Holy poo poo how am I just now discovering that the ring of life protection can be repaired. This changes everything.
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gently caress me running why did I think Asceticing Sinner's Rise so I could get Flame Weapon was a good idea. This is flatout impossible without help (which I can't summon besides a shitbird NPC, wish I'd known THAT part before I even set out on this stupid endeavour!) Also Pyromancy has flat out sucked compared to Lightning Spear so far, dunno if that's just the influence of stat scaling or what (flame is at +4, my chime was at +1) but it's leaving me feeling disillusioned. Stupid Jester tricked me in the end 
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I just ran past everything in Black Gulch and 1 shot the boss only to find that I missed my last chance to get 3/4 on Lucatiel summons woops
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THE PWNER posted:I just ran past everything in Black Gulch and 1 shot the boss only to find that I missed my last chance to get 3/4 on Lucatiel summons Bonfire it up! :p
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THE PWNER posted:I just ran past everything in Black Gulch and 1 shot the boss only to find that I missed my last chance to get 3/4 on Lucatiel summons Go for her story in NG+, ascetic one of her bosses, restart the game, or say gently caress it.
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Ciaphas posted:gently caress me running why did I think Asceticing Sinner's Rise so I could get Flame Weapon was a good idea. This is flatout impossible without help (which I can't summon besides a shitbird NPC, wish I'd known THAT part before I even set out on this stupid endeavour!) Out of curiosity, I was interested in Pyromancy for my next character, can anyone type some words about how it works in comparison to the other magics? And anything in particular to note about it?
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Captain Oblivious posted:I really don't think Durability is a very good system in this game. Or, more specifically, I don't think it works well in the context of other design decisions. Durability being quite limited, in theory, encourages the use of multiple weapons. Except your ability to experiment and try out new weapons is severely curtailed by the lack of availability of Titanite Shards in the early game. I think they went overboard on the rarity of Titanite Shards. Large Titanite Shards and up are in a fine place in terms of rarity, but there's really no reason for the baseline entry level materials to be so sparse when you have a system in place specifically designed to encourage players to branch out and not just use the same drat weapon all the time forever. Weaker hitting weapons and thrusting damage weapons really feel shafted with the durability system. So many things are drat resistant to thrust damage  , I can't say I really enjoyed messing with spears outside of PvP.
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Ciaphas posted:gently caress me running why did I think Asceticing Sinner's Rise so I could get Flame Weapon was a good idea. This is flatout impossible without help (which I can't summon besides a shitbird NPC, wish I'd known THAT part before I even set out on this stupid endeavour!) Pyromancy is really for characters that otherwise do not have int or faith. Any decent amount of either will trump any pyromancy spell in terms of damage output. If you want to make Pyromancy work, think of it as backup and spec around that. If you're having issues with Lost Sinner+ just go do some more stuff and come back later. Especially if you can't find any summons in the area, your soul memory is probably too low.
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TGLT posted:
Lost pagan tradition, simplified representation in the idols,  Even if it's a callback, it's in the game. All connections are connections and can be read as such. Specifically with souls games it's hard to say anything is just a throwback, just a reference, because until retconned it does provide context.
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Fister Roboto posted:Holy poo poo how am I just now discovering that the ring of life protection can be repaired. Do folks who rock that ring just replace the Ring of Binding with it?
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laplace posted:The dolls are definitely Maiden Astraea. A long-forgotten saint, part of a pagan worship ritual from a kingdom far ago. The game already makes a million references to Demon's Souls and King's Field IV, cycles and "old kingdoms" It's really not that hard to put the two and two together, it's not even subtle. Astraea and Demon's Souls aren't even in the same continuity, let alone King's Field. It might be a reference but it's not actually her.
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Manatee Cannon posted:Astraea and Demon's Souls aren't even in the same continuity, let alone King's Field. It might be a reference but it's not actually her. For references to other games that aren't within the canon, see: the big dumb skull in Ash Lake from DaS 1.
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Jose posted:How far through the game am I having done Forest of Fallen Giants, the Lost Bastille and Sinner's Rise? I realise the game can be done in any order but I still find it strange that it seems like I should have done Heide's tower after the forest. I just saw some huge thing in the entrance so decided to go the other way and kept going. Guess its my memories of Anor Londo making me avoid the big enemy Not far at all, you're only starting out. And yeah, Heide's is intimidating compared to the Forest but it's a lower-level area than Lost Bastille. Bring a blunt weapon with you and those giants will fall real quick. There's also a third zone in the Lost Bastille if you unlock the Pharros' Contraption under the Servants' Quarter bonfire.
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TGLT posted:Pyromancy is really for characters that otherwise do not have int or faith. Any decent amount of either will trump any pyromancy spell in terms of damage output. If you want to make Pyromancy work, think of it as backup and spec around that. So is maining Pyromancy just a bad idea optimization wise? Because I really like big flashy boomy effects.  Kanfy posted:There's also a
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Manatee Cannon posted:Astraea and Demon's Souls aren't even in the same continuity, let alone King's Field. It might be a reference but it's not actually her. This game provides evidence to the contrary. A toooon of evidence to the contrary. Specifically if you've played the King's Field games before this it goes beyond just throwbacks and into "Making really plaintext meta statements". I mean, three NPCs Shalquoir, Gilligan, and Chloanne literally tell you straight to your face "Hmm everything sure looks familiar haha remember those old kingdoms what were their names hahahahahha we forgot". Specifically with Gilligan, when you're standing in a level that was lifted straight out of King's Field 4 down to the boss and the surrounding area -- Poisoned mines with mummy subjects, mages and traps. Hell, the whole prologue of Demon's Souls is in an item description. The moonlight greatsword, the Abyss Queen version of Nashandra, and the other Three Eyed dragons -- It's past simple references at this point. There's way more than that in the game, but saying it's "just callbacks" totally cheapens the game, specifically when a huge theme of the game is the repetition of the past.
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Are there any weapons this time around that knock down enemies like the Zweihander R2 attack did in DS1? I'm using the Greatsword which has a similar moveset but the lack of this effect is making it pretty underwhelming. The best I've been able to do is stagger even with the stone ring on.
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laplace posted:Edit: Also that mural in the Shrine of Winter is about Shanalotte, hence the child in the robe that looks almost exactly like her and the dragons in the murals. At least, that's the going theory. I missed this edit, but I kind of doubt it. This mural has a tall dude with long hair, a bald dude with a square jaw, some one young, and whoever on the far right with their face covered. The other mural with four people doesn't have the tall dude and the only person who might be bald also looks like they're maybe just wearing a helmet. There's also what look like two old ladies. The two murals look like two different groups of people. The latter is probably the Emerald Herald. And maybe the crones at the start of the game? edit: There's also the mural of probably Aldia, so I'd hazard a guess and say the murals are depicting different important people prior to the fall of Drangleic, instead of just the Emerald Herald's story. TGLT fucked around with this message at 20:21 on May 5, 2014 |
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Kanfy posted:Not far at all, you're only starting out. And yeah, Heide's is intimidating compared to the Forest but it's a lower-level area than Lost Bastille. Bring a blunt weapon with you and those giants will fall real quick. I did this and had a couple of runs before giving up and just summoning a couple of people to fight the lost sinner 
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laplace posted:Lost pagan tradition, simplified representation in the idols, Lenigrast's face is also in the World 2 archstone in Demon's Souls, headband and all. They're almost certainly just references. 
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laplace posted:This game provides evidence to the contrary. A toooon of evidence to the contrary. Specifically if you've played the King's Field games before this it goes beyond just throwbacks and into "Making really plaintext meta statements". I mean, three NPCs Shalquoir, Gilligan, and Chloanne literally tell you straight to your face "Hmm everything sure looks familiar haha remember those old kingdoms what were their names hahahahahha we forgot". Specifically with Gilligan, when you're standing in a level that was lifted straight out of King's Field 4 down to the boss and the surrounding area -- Poisoned mines with mummy subjects, mages and traps. Hell, the whole prologue of Demon's Souls is in an item description. The moonlight greatsword, the Abyss Queen version of Nashandra, and the other Three Eyed dragons -- It's past simple references at this point. No it does not because hey, guess what, Demon's Souls is owned by Sony. This is why we have Dark Souls in the first place. References are in the game for sure (the Moonlight Greatsword has been around since forever, for example) but this is not the world of Demon's Souls.
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Does the artist have a website? I really want to see that "Ah! He is crying!" one again
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I've only started the game yesterday but I know where this is and am glad to know I'm not the first to fall for it.
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Manatee Cannon posted:No it does not because hey, guess what, Demon's Souls is owned by Sony. This is why we have Dark Souls in the first place. References are in the game for sure (the Moonlight Greatsword has been around since forever, for example) but this is not the world of Demon's Souls. I know that the Moonlight Greatsword has been in the game for forever, I've played all of the KF games and my first souls game was Demon's Souls. Even if Sony owns the property, with the way Fromsoft has incorporated the lore and canon it wouldn't remotely raise concern copyright wise. Even so, until it's outright retconned the implication and lore can be read as such -- specifically when Fromsoft has been outright plaintexting it like that. I don't know the whole copyright implications but if Project Beast actually ends up being Demon's Souls 2 then It's not like From isn't allowed to play with their canon. Picking and choosing what lore and what references mean what while ignoring others just because is sort of a really dumb way to interpret things. Specifically when this game is, as mentioned before, totally about the legacy of history. There are even more links in the chronology -- In Dark Souls 1 the Witch of Izalith having a Witch's Ring from Demon's Souls, Carhillion mentioning that "Before Pyromancy there were Fire Sorceries, but they are long forgotton", etc. That is outright linking the series while From winks at the audience hoping they get it. Fake edit: Here's where I read about the Shrine of Winter thing. It's from Reddit so take it with a grain of salt, I definitely did.
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Cicadalek posted:Does the artist have a website? I really want to see that "Ah! He is crying!" one again Pixiv at least, it seems. Don't even need to sign up for that one. Might as well post the last three.   
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Reading this thread I realized I'm gonna fight some guy called Old Iron King. I did not expect him to look like that  .
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Drangleic Castle finished but it's such a bitch for durability. I had to repair my sword three times going from one bonfire to the next. Nearly had a heart attack fighting the two dragonriders. Shrine of Amana was nowhere near as bad as everyone was making it out to be and I didn't even have a bow or any ranged attacks (pure strength character). The boss was a bit easy - just wait for it to do the big lunge thing, roll out the way then wail on its face. Only one I solo'd so far, because nobody was available to summon. Summons past Drangleic Castle have literally completely dried up now. Lots of messages, zero summons both ways. I reloaded Steam, same thing still. I can't remember my soul memory but it's probably something like 900k. Currently in a bit in the undead crypt where I fall down a hole and literally get multi-murder-killed by several ghosts casting firestorm and poo poo. If I'm right, the bits don't respawn do they? Zedsdeadbaby fucked around with this message at 20:32 on May 5, 2014 |
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laplace posted:I know that the Moonlight Greatsword has been in the game for forever, I've played all of the KF games and my first souls game was Demon's Souls. Even if Sony owns the property, with the way Fromsoft has incorporated the lore and canon it wouldn't remotely raise concern copyright wise. Even so, until it's outright retconned the implication and lore can be read as such -- specifically when Fromsoft has been outright plaintexting it like that. I don't know the whole copyright implications but if Project Beast actually ends up being Demon's Souls 2 then It's not like From isn't allowed to play with their canon. Picking and choosing what lore and what references mean what while ignoring others just because is sort of a really dumb way to interpret things. Specifically when this game is, as mentioned before, totally about the legacy of history. There are even more links in the chronology -- In Dark Souls 1 the Witch of Izalith having a Witch's Ring from Demon's Souls, Carhillion mentioning that "Before Pyromancy there were Fire Sorceries, but they are long forgotton", etc. That is outright linking the series while From winks at the audience hoping they get it. What witch's ring are you talking about? the ring associated with Izalith looks nothing like the Ring of the Accursed or the Ring of Magical Nature, which are the only two rings in Demon's Souls that I know of being associated with witches. The fire sorceries maybe, but the ring thing doesn't really seem to be the case. You also mentioned a King's Field 4 level and boss. Which ones are you referring to? I don't remember anything like what you described in King's Field 4. Although certainly the idea of dark as comforting and peaceful is pretty much like it was in King's Field 4.
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Bear Retrieval Unit posted:Reading this thread I realized I'm gonna fight some guy called Old Iron King. I did not expect him to look like that Before I faced him someone in the console thread said he looked and acted like the most video game-esc boss possible, and yep he kind of is.
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Drakes posted:900k past amana is super low. I was getting bites at 1.5m. Yup I've been through there a couple of times, and there's way more summons there 1.3m and upwards than there is for 600k-1m.
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Yodzilla posted:Aren't the "new milestones" almost all "spend X amount of souls with them?" No, for the stone merchants it's pretty much entirely "clear a certain area/kill a certain boss/get an important item" etc. Some of the others (Maughlin  ) are like that, but most of them will just give you some kind of free gift for spending with them.Fister Roboto posted:Holy poo poo how am I just now discovering that the ring of life protection can be repaired. You can also get more than one. I had about 4 rings by the time I finished the game, so when one breaks you can just rotate.
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Oh good, Smelter Demon. Yep, that's me cockblocked in two directions. Using a big slow weapon like the large club/greatsword is getting me killed more often than it saves me with the smashy smashy, but using the mace and club are so... boring, even power stanced. Also, putting magic infusion ('cos I have access to magic weapon and that's about it) on my large club was a mistake; damage feels worse without the enchant, and with it only slightly better. Thiiink I'm starting to burn out
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Ciaphas posted:Oh good, Smelter Demon. Yep, that's me cockblocked in two directions. You can skip Smelter Demon. Look for a way to shut off the furnace, say around its doors, and you can run through it and just skip straight to the big bad king man.
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TGLT posted:What witch's ring are you talking about? the ring associated with Izalith looks nothing like the Ring of the Accursed or the Ring of Magical Nature, which are the only two rings in Demon's Souls that I know of being associated with witches. The fire sorceries maybe, but the ring thing doesn't really seem to be the case.[/url] The Old Witch's Ring and the Ring of the Accursed both have similar looking strange engravings was the link, IIRC. Back when Dark Souls was released people were all up in arms about it. That and the fact that she also casts pyromancies with a catalyst were the direct links people were referencing. As for the area, I'm referring to The Widda Palace, with its Widda Queen who is literally just Mytha, down to the arena being similar and the Widda Queen just clearly being Mytha 1.0 design wise. A palace in mines that after being fully mined became poisonous and rotten. Add that to the fact that The Dark One is just Abyss Nashandra, New Londo is the sunken ruins from King's Field 4 down to the lore (Human Kings, submerged city, Subsumed by Dark), and the four-eyed beast creatures were made by harnessing the "power of the soul" and then were consumed by the dark (I can't remember their names right now, I think Zastari was the one who made them though? The engineer in the Ancient City). There's also like, the outright hilarious verbatim reference to the King's Ring/King's doors. "Produce the Symbol of the King." It's actually shocking how King's Field 4 Dark Souls 2 is. I replayed KF4 a week before DkS2 came out on console and it was a startling thing realizing that DkS2 was more King's Field than it was Dark Souls 1, though DkS 1 did have its fair share of lifted areas and lore ideas.
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TGLT posted:You can skip Smelter Demon. Look for a way to shut off the furnace, say around its doors, and you can run through it and just skip straight to the big bad king man. I found that early on, yeah. But if I do that I'll always know that I couldn't beat the big dumb burny bastard, and that just won't do.
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Ciaphas posted:I found that early on, yeah. But if I do that I'll always know that I couldn't beat the big dumb burny bastard, and that just won't do. Plus there's goodies for melee people that OIK can't match since he's just a macguffin boss.
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