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I thought it was protests -> lull later on (with VR talking about someone taking photos of the building) -> attack. Like the attackers didn't use the protests as cover or anything but given the timeline you could feasibly attribute it to that shitbag video as a highly ranked possibility among a handful.
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No justice for Cecily McMillan - guilty of felony assault at an OWS protest because a plainclothes police officer grabbed her breast from behind and she elbowed him in response. http://www.refinery29.com/2014/05/67308/cecily-mcmillan-verdict?collection=207 https://www.jacobinmag.com/2014/04/the-trial-of-cecily-mcmillan/ We live in a police state
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May 5, 2014 20:49
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Elephant Ambush posted:Well, for one thing, Vilerat posted about how he could see and hear the protesters from his office window, and this was way before the attack. I'm not sure why he'd lie about that. The State Department said in a later report that there was no protest. http://www.politico.com/blogs/burns-haberman/2012/10/officials-no-protests-before-benghazi-attack-137978.html I remember reading about Smith's correspondence (including the infamous "taking pictures" message) and it seemed like the mob he referred to WAS the attacking mob.
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May 5, 2014 20:53
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Defenestration posted:No justice for Cecily McMillan - guilty of felony assault at an OWS protest because a plainclothes police officer grabbed her breast from behind and she elbowed him in response. Remember that just recently a bunch of protesters aimed weapons at the police and federal agensts and had nothing happen to them.
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May 5, 2014 20:56
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LorneReams posted:Remember that just recently a bunch of protesters aimed weapons at the police and federal agensts and had nothing happen to them. In a desert 100 miles from a city.
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May 5, 2014 20:58
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Install Windows posted:In a desert 100 miles from a city. Backed by the Right Wing Machine...
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May 5, 2014 21:01
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LorneReams posted:Remember that just recently a bunch of protesters aimed weapons at the police and federal agensts and had nothing happen to them. The difference of course, was they were right-wing protesters, who are typically handled delicately or not at all. I do wonder however, at what point it becomes worth it to start throwing bottles, bricks and "repatriated" tear gas canisters back at the police. They're going to attack and beat on left-wing protesters anyway right?
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May 5, 2014 21:01
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StarMagician posted:There's a lot about this that bothers me, but this is the biggest thing: what evidence is there that any protests took place in Benghazi at all? We know they were happening in other countries, but saying there's a protest in Benghazi because there's one in Cairo is like saying "they're occupying Wall Street so they must be occupying Miami too." I don't why it bothers you, the CIA gets poo poo wrong, a lot.
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May 5, 2014 21:16
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hobbesmaster posted:The protests were over when the attack happened iirc. It seems a very reasonable thing for people on the opposite side of the world to be confused about. Nope. Obama Lied, they decried.
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May 5, 2014 21:20
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Raskolnikov38 posted:I don't why it bothers you Obama is the president.
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May 5, 2014 21:28
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Talmonis posted:The difference of course, was they were right-wing protesters, who are typically handled delicately or not at all. The difference was these were armed protesters regarding a popular issue in the media at the moment in an election year with a partisan mood and the shooting of a bunch of cattle ranchers (who, left- or right-wing, are deified by many Americans to the point of giving the military a run for their money) would not look good for government PR. Versus one random woman in an already-disgraced movement. This isn't "the police just leave right-wing protesters alone," I'm sorry but that just sounds petty.
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May 5, 2014 21:29
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Amergin posted:The difference was these were armed protesters regarding a popular issue in the media at the moment in an election year with a partisan mood and the shooting of a bunch of cattle ranchers (who, left- or right-wing, are deified by many Americans to the point of giving the military a run for their money) would not look good for government PR. Quick, name a rightwing protest that was broken up by riot police/tear gas. Bonus points if you can name one with a sexual assault by said police.
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May 5, 2014 21:34
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Kalman posted:Just to be clear, there were 9 votes for the idea that legislative prayer is okay; the dissent just felt that the town needed to be more inclusive in the concept of legislative prayer, not that the concept was unconstitutional. So does "Freedom of religion" NOT mean freedom from religion?
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May 5, 2014 21:37
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OAquinas posted:Quick, name a rightwing protest that was broken up by riot police/tear gas. Bonus points if you can name one with a sexual assault by said police. Name a right wing protest that didn't scrupulously stick to the prevailing local laws, exactly as their corporate funders demanded.
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Amergin posted:The difference was these were armed protesters regarding a popular issue in the media at the moment in an election year with a partisan mood and the shooting of a bunch of cattle ranchers (who, left- or right-wing, are deified by many Americans to the point of giving the military a run for their money) would not look good for government PR. Counterpoints: What would the response had been if OWS protesters had exercised their second amendment rights? When has protest from a right wing group been met with police in riot gear, just as a precaution? If OWS had directly threatened a federal officer with an organized militia, would they have let them have their camping gear back and let them go? There is a significant difference in responses to protests depending on what ideology they represent. ignoring that is just being obtuse. Install Windows posted:Name a right wing protest that didn't scrupulously stick to the prevailing local laws, exactly as their corporate funders demanded. Cliven Bundy isn't a someone who follows any laws it seems. Heck Yes! Loam! fucked around with this message at 21:42 on May 5, 2014 |
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quote:Name a right wing protest that didn't scrupulously stick to the prevailing local laws, exactly as their corporate funders demanded. The Brooks Brothers Riot
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May 5, 2014 21:42
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Install Windows posted:Name a right wing protest that didn't scrupulously stick to the prevailing local laws, exactly as their corporate funders demanded. Well the Bundy protest for one, with the militias setting up roadblocks and pointing guns at federal agents.
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May 5, 2014 21:43
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OAquinas posted:Quick, name a rightwing protest that was broken up by riot police/tear gas. Bonus points if you can name one with a sexual assault by said police. http://www.baltimoresun.com/explore/harford/news/ph-ag-state-police-settlement-0418-20120416,0,7005224.story But Install Windows was right in mentioning the difference in the protests' makeup of protesters and willingness to obey local laws.
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May 5, 2014 21:44
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Sword of Chomsky posted:There is a significant difference in responses to protests depending on what ideology they represent. ignoring that is just being obtuse. So, for one thing, you're equating "OWS" with "all left-wing ideological protests" and, for another, you're equating all left-wing protests as being equal, regardless of the actual topic being protested. I bet you police won't respond to a pro-choice rally in riot gear. But it's a left-wing protest and apparently for me to think otherwise is just me being obtuse. EDIT: I apologize for the double-post... not sure if I can delete this post and merge the two or not.
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May 5, 2014 21:47
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Sword of Chomsky posted:Cliven Bundy isn't a someone who follows any laws it seems. He's about as much a "protest" as 9/11.
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May 5, 2014 21:48
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I love the idea that a left wing protest like Bundy's would get slaughtered, like the feds are super worried about the optics of gunning down right wingers but left wingers are fair game. Yea man, if you start a loving armed stand off with the cops, hide behind women and children, and get major political support behind you, you're probably not gonna get gunned down.
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Amergin posted:So, for one thing, you're equating "OWS" with "all left-wing ideological protests" and, for another, you're equating all left-wing protests as being equal, regardless of the actual topic being protested. How about May-day walks for labor rights? Pretty much all the recent walks were met with police prepared in riot gear despite having permits. here is an example from 2012 http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2012/05/police-put-on-riot-gear-as-may-day-protests-turn-up-the-heat-.html I guess the moral is that if you want to protest, just come armed and the police will leave you alone! 
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Install Windows posted:He's about as much a "protest" as 9/11. Another right wing protest.
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May 5, 2014 21:49
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Install Windows posted:Name a right wing protest that didn't scrupulously stick to the prevailing local laws, exactly as their corporate funders demanded. If only OWS protested from their lawnchairs and rascal scooters.
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May 5, 2014 21:52
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I think it's just easier to teargas unarmed civilians than blood-gargling psychopaths with more firepower than the police. 
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May 5, 2014 21:53
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Doctor Butts posted:If only OWS protested from their lawnchairs and rascal scooters. And you know, only sticking around for like 5 hours once every 8 months or so.
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May 5, 2014 21:54
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Doctor Butts posted:If only OWS protested from their lawnchairs and rascal scooters. Yea or showed up for just a few hours and had a bunch of political personalities surrounding them with cameras and PR experts. God drat it's almost like the contexts were actually super different.
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Also, the Bundy situation is technically still ongoing. At some point they may need to make some arrests or ensure that roads are passable, if those blockade rumors have anything behind them.
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May 5, 2014 21:55
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Doctor Butts posted:If only OWS protested from their lawnchairs and rascal scooters. OWS should get a permit pretending to be a tea party group.
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May 5, 2014 21:56
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StandardVC10 posted:Also, the Bundy situation is technically still ongoing. At some point they may need to make some arrests or ensure that roads are passable, if those blockade rumors have anything behind them. This too, basically talking about 'the bundy situation' as of now as being handled too lightly is basically saying you wanted the cops to gun some stupid white people down and the women they proudly hid behind. The situation is still happening and yea, a bunch of fuckin crazy morons with guns have to be treated with some care.
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May 5, 2014 21:57
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Zombie Samurai posted:I think it's just easier to teargas unarmed civilians than blood-gargling psychopaths with more firepower than the police. If it was just a matter of firepower, then we would have seen a bunch of battered protesters during those protests during the government shutdown that trespassed on closed government land. The real thing is that the people who protest left-wing causes are easy to stereotype as hippies. Hippy punching is practically considered a national pastime at this point, and grandpa punching is not, which is why a bunch of trespassing lefties get gassed and battered while trespassing right-wing protesters are left alone.
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Tatum Girlparts posted:This too, basically talking about 'the bundy situation' as of now as being handled too lightly is basically saying you wanted the cops to gun some stupid white people down and the women they proudly hid behind. The situation is still happening and yea, a bunch of fuckin crazy morons with guns have to be treated with some care. I think they are handling it the way they should, but you can't deny that it sheds light on a huge enforcement disparity. Nobody wants to see any situation, wether it be OWS or Occupy Cattle Land, end with violence. The difference is when the authorities are willing to use violence as a tactic seems to be reserved for those dirty hippies. ^^^ similar point made.
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Yeah man, those darn unarmed students need to just shut up and obey their betters. Haven't they learned their lesson by now that they are naught but mud to be ground under the feet of Men of Action?
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The real reason is there were way more people protesting across a much larger time period, which resulted in more chances for a cop to whack a guy or two. We're talking hundreds of cities for months at a time, and especially over time you started to have real unbalanced types joining up who were practically cop bait.
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Install Windows posted:The real reason is there were way more people protesting across a much larger time period, which resulted in more chances for a cop to whack a guy or two. We're talking hundreds of cities for months at a time, and especially over time you started to have real unbalanced types joining up who were practically cop bait. Stop making excuses for them. They already are immune to prosecution, they don't need apologetics from anyone else. The police in this country get off on beating and murdering college students. I don't see it changing any time soon.
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Talmonis posted:Stop making excuses for them. They already are immune to prosecution, they don't need apologetics from anyone else. The police in this country get off on beating and murdering college students. I don't see it changing any time soon. We're all very impressed at how much you've won the Outrage About Cops contest. You can stop now.
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Talmonis posted:Stop making excuses for them. They already are immune to prosecution, they don't need apologetics from anyone else. The police in this country get off on beating and murdering college students. I don't see it changing any time soon. Interesting strawman collection you have there.
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Talmonis posted:Stop making excuses for them. They already are immune to prosecution, they don't need apologetics from anyone else. The police in this country get off on beating and murdering college students. I don't see it changing any time soon. It's not excuses to state why a thing happened. When you have month long protests all over the nation, some of which getting pretty aggressive without any police factor, yea chances are there's gonna be more issues popping up than a few hour long corporate sponsored 'we're mad at the black guy' party starring multiple politicians and 'celebrities'.
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StandardVC10 posted:We're all very impressed at how much you've won the Outrage About Cops contest. You can stop now. Yeah, nice "outrage about murder" you loser.
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Install Windows posted:The real reason is there were way more people protesting across a much larger time period, which resulted in more chances for a cop to whack a guy or two. We're talking hundreds of cities for months at a time, and especially over time you started to have real unbalanced types joining up who were practically cop bait. You know...it wasn't just a few 'bad apple' cops taking random whacks at "a guy or two." It was actually a systematic, coordinated response organized by very powerful people (who happened to be conservative-Democrats or Republicans). You see it happen at world trade conferences, Occupy, and other leftist protests, but strangely never at a Nationalist gathering like the Tea Party protests. It is remarkable, really...
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