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thefncrow posted:You could completely ignore Occupy and you still have an upsetting level of police violence toward left-wing protests, ones that do not last for much longer than the right-wing protests I'm using as comparisons. Right wingers rarely protest, they at most show up to a speech. Meanwhile left wingers actually, you know, do stuff ever. One of these things makes it way easier for a cop to have an excuse to do something. Defenestration posted:It's not a protest vote. if enough people actually voted for politicians that represented their interests then progressive parties would be viable Yes if 50% of the people in an election voted for them or even actually supported the majority of their policies, which never happens, so it's a huge loving if. Strategic voting isn't a theory or a belief, it's a provable fact with first past the post. Putin It In Mah rear end posted:I wasn't there, naturally, but that incident barely escalated beyond "collective temper tantrum". Trying to compare that to a demonstration on the scale of OWS, or even much less durable demonstrations such as at G8, is laughable on its face. Some people are shocked a fat old man pushing over an unsecured fence like you'd use at TImmy's Bar Mitzvah gets treated different then a bunch of people sitting around for days or months at a time. It's weird. Nintendo Kid fucked around with this message at 01:17 on May 6, 2014 |
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ShutteredIn posted:There are way more right-wing women than right-wing PoC, so I think that answers that question. edit: not that one of us will ever be president in my lifetime 
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So have we gone from an argument that Left and Right protestors aren't treated differently; to an argument that they may be treated differently; because they deserve to be treated differently? Because that is funny poo poo.
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Boon posted:Wait, the one where a Congressman was there surrounded by old rear end war veterans who proceeded to move the barricades? That's what you're going to go with? Yeah, cops that aren't being paid are unlikely to give a gently caress about a few people standing around a congressman and twice as many TV reporters.
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Pohl posted:So have we gone from an argument that Left and Right protestors aren't treated differently; In the same sense of "an orange is not as sweet as an apple, therefore the oranges are being discriminated against".
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SpiderHyphenMan posted:Name three Republicans who would be bearable in the White House. Jon Huntsman Fred Karger Gary Johnson And maybe Rand Paul. Sword of Chomsky posted:Not to mention all those juicy lower court appointees, agency heads, and other non elected officials I'll vote for Rand Paul so he can raze the government to the ground, allowing Democrats to rebuild it in a slightly efficient form, for once. EDIT: This protest discussion is turning into a pissing match of who deserves pity the most and obviously the elephant-in-the-room answer is Native Americans. Amergin fucked around with this message at 01:23 on May 6, 2014 |
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Pohl posted:So have we gone from an argument that Left and Right protestors aren't treated differently; Do you have a strawman fetish or what? "Right" protestors almost never actually do a protest. Filing into a pre-arranged media event and leaving after a few hours can hardly be called a protest. Amergin posted:Jon Huntsman 
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Amergin posted:Jon Huntsman Excuse me while I vote for the suffering of hundreds of millions of people just in the hope that democracy will rise from the ashes like a phoenix. Accelerationism is something teenagers dream about. In reality it is just, to borrow an apt line, a boot stomping on the human face, forever.
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I mean there's a reason why in every single piece of media ever made the people who say "the world needs to burn and be rebuilt from the ashes" are all 100% crazy.
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Sword of Chomsky posted:Excuse me while I vote for the suffering of hundreds of millions of people just in the hope that democracy will rise from the ashes like a phoenix. You're right, I'll vote for the liberal party who doesn't want to cut anything ever because lord help me for wanting a smaller, more efficient government.
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People who think it's a good idea to wait to hit rock bottom before starting to rebuild/repair tend to have depressingly optimistic ideas of what rock bottom actually is, and how long it'll take to get there.
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Amergin posted:You're right, I'll vote for the liberal party who doesn't want to cut anything ever because lord help me for wanting a smaller, more efficient government. Larger governments are more efficient.
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Amergin posted:You're right, I'll vote for the liberal party who doesn't want to cut anything ever because lord help me for wanting a smaller, more efficient government. You're right. You need help from an imaginary sky god for wanting something that you don't understand the consequences of. Please tell us what you want this smaller government to be like. 
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Sword of Chomsky posted:You're right. You need help from an imaginary sky god for wanting something that you don't understand the consequences of.
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Amergin posted:You're right, I'll vote for the liberal party who doesn't want to cut anything ever because lord help me for wanting a smaller, more efficient government. The "liberal" party agreed to cut food stamps to try and flex their bipartisan credentials. Jerry Manderbilt fucked around with this message at 01:36 on May 6, 2014 |
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Install Windows posted:Larger governments are more efficient. I demand a massive global government that everyone works for.
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Install Windows posted:Larger governments are more efficient. If you're having a slow Saturday night, ask a right winger why this isn't the case, and yet WalMart's size allows it to leverage economies of scale.
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Putin It In Mah rear end posted:If you're having a slow Saturday night, ask a right winger why this isn't the case, and yet WalMart's size allows it to leverage economies of scale. "Ok, why" "They just are"
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ShutteredIn posted:I demand a massive global government that everyone works for. Let's get on that New World Order tip.
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Sword of Chomsky posted:You're right. You need help from an imaginary sky god for wanting something that you don't understand the consequences of. Are you trying to be condescending to me for having the audacity of wanting a Republican to win and assigning religion to me to also be condescending of that? Man, did I step into /r/politics or what? EDIT: To actually make this post worth something, let me admit I was being facetious of actually wanting the government "razed." Let me also post that I hope you were being facetious in thinking Rand Paul would "cause the suffering of millions" because come on man, let's get real here. And by that I mean Rand Paul would not have the power to cause the suffering of millions any more than Obama had the power to rid the suffering of millions. As for what the smaller government would be like... to be vague, let's start with cuts to public education administration costs and (administration) personnel, cuts to military expenditures, a weening off of Social Security/slow wiping out of Social Security, a simplification of our tax system (vague soundbytes!), cuts/revamping of disability benefits and cuts to unemployment while redirecting those funds to SNAP. Also cuts to government personnel while making it easier to fire government employees in an attempt at making government employment slightly more meritocratic. Amergin fucked around with this message at 01:46 on May 6, 2014 |
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Sword of Chomsky posted:imaginary sky god epic
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American government as a whole (Federal down to municipal level) is the smallest its been in forever and the only result is services suffer, not be more efficient.
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Amergin posted:Are you trying to be condescending to me for having the audacity of wanting a Republican to win and assigning religion to me to also be condescending of that? We should just burn the thread down and hope a better one rises from the ashes.
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Berke Negri posted:American government as a whole (Federal down to municipal level) is the smallest its been in forever and the only result is services suffer, not be more efficient. If we just cut more programs we'll reach the singularity where government starts working at 1000% efficiency. Though I do wonder why he wants a Republican to win if his goal is small government, since I'm pretty sure # of federal employees was higher during the Bush years than currently.
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Hey Fried Chicken, now would be a really good time to throw up the May thread, manifesto or no. Just tossing that out there, generally, for you (or anyone else really!) to consider.
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Berke Negri posted:American government as a whole (Federal down to municipal level) is the smallest its been in forever and the only result is services suffer, not be more efficient.
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420DD Butts posted:If we just cut more programs we'll reach the singularity where government starts working at 1000% efficiency. I think the number is actually largely flat between Bush and Obama for federal employment, but cities and states have cut back a lot. edit: also in my experience in public service the ones who wring their hands over cutting employment and hiring freezes and slashing pensions and how we must do these things to be serious sober adults are usually the highest paid public servants and/or got their six figure + severance package lined up to go double dip by being rehired as a consultant Berke Negri fucked around with this message at 01:51 on May 6, 2014 |
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When I go shopping, I save money by buying the smallest package available. It's called buying in slim, and is very efficient.
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Berke Negri posted:I think the number is actually largely flat between Bush and Obama for federal employment, but cities and states have cut back a lot. You're right, it's mainly teachers and the like that have gotten cut back. Still makes me wonder why if "trimming" government was his goal he'd pick a party that does not actually trim government.
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Babylon Astronaut posted:When I go shopping, I save money by buying the smallest package available. It's called buying in slim, and is very efficient. When I buy insurance I make sure it has the smallest risk pool. It's more efficient.
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Did somebody say Jon Huntsman? 
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420DD Butts posted:You're right, it's mainly teachers and the like that have gotten cut back. Still makes me wonder why if "trimming" government was his goal he'd pick a party that does not actually trim government. Because of the two parties, one has a libertarian sub-group while the other has... the greens. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying I will 100% vote Republican. I voted for Obama in 2008 and 2012 because of the two candidates, I preferred him. HOWEVER, if it had been between, say, Jon Huntsman and Obama in 2012, I would have voted Huntsman. I don't want Bush, I want Huntsman, Rand Paul or some rare moderate realpolitik mix. And even then, I'd hold my nose while voting for Paul. But don't worry, I'll let you keep making the immediate assumption of "He'll consider voting GOP, therefore he'd vote for Bush." It's a great stereotype.
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I am not sure why you think Rand Paul fits in with that group, but knock yourself out boss. Just remember that you get the government you deserve not the one you want.
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Amergin posted:Because of the two parties, one has a libertarian sub-group while the other has... the greens. You'd vote for Rand Paul, a "moderate" who came out against the Civil Right Act?
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On the third party voting front: I always get to vote third party because the Democrats don't even run in my district. We had a Democrat try for US representative once, and he was so small fry that he personally stopped by my house. For senate, I got to choose between Republican and Libertarian. So before you go all realpolitik about voting third party, maybe you should consider the majority of the country that does not live in a swing state and doesn't get to cast a vote that matters anyway.
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Libertarians are the crush poors, kill labor, strangle services party so I dont see why thatd be preferable at all to any option.
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Jerry Manderbilt posted:The "liberal" party agreed to cut food stamps to try and flex their bipartisan credentials. Of course, if they hadn't agreed then there wouldn't have been any food stamps when the bill wasn't renewed.
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Sword of Chomsky posted:You're right. You need help from an imaginary sky god for wanting something that you don't understand the consequences of. This is why we need to put up that border fence, otherwise Quetzecoatl will sneak all of his god friends in and I don't think we're ready for Centon Totochtin's shenanigans. I certainly am not gonna clean up after 400 drunken rabbits. 
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Berke Negri posted:Libertarians are the crush poors, kill labor, strangle services party so I dont see why thatd be preferable at all to any option. 
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