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is there a way to unfuck my iron man save that randomly decided to hand me a game over screen or should I just chalk it up to a Paradox Learning Experience (TM) ?
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May 5, 2014 17:06
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In my game it's about 950. I'm the Duke of Salerno and have conquered most of the independent parts of southern Italy (Capua, Napoli, etc) but Sicily and a good chunk the heel is locked down by Byzantium, the rest (everything north of Rome, and Apulia and Bari) are under the Kingdom of Italy. It's been this way for 2-3 generations now and I'm getting bored watching two very large kingdoms that I can't do anything about just sit there and not do anything. Whats the move here? Swear fealty to one and try to break it apart from the inside? I've marred pretty well into the kingdom of Italy and have claims on the title myself, but I'd get crushed trying to press them.
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May 5, 2014 19:13
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davecrazy posted:In my game it's about 950. I'm the Duke of Salerno and have conquered most of the independent parts of southern Italy (Capua, Napoli, etc) but Sicily and a good chunk the heel is locked down by Byzantium, the rest (everything north of Rome, and Apulia and Bari) are under the Kingdom of Italy. It's been this way for 2-3 generations now and I'm getting bored watching two very large kingdoms that I can't do anything about just sit there and not do anything. Whats the move here? Swear fealty to one and try to break it apart from the inside? I've marred pretty well into the kingdom of Italy and have claims on the title myself, but I'd get crushed trying to press them. Join the Byzantines, then help them form the Roman Empire and then kill loads of people and become the emperor. How large are the average mongol stacks?
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May 5, 2014 19:25
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Is there any reason why I, a Hindu empire, can't subjugate my neighbouring Jain kingdoms? I can use the cb on Sri Lanka no problem, but not on the more nearby kingdoms.
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May 5, 2014 19:43
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marktheando posted:Is there any reason why I, a Hindu empire, can't subjugate my neighbouring Jain kingdoms? I can use the cb on Sri Lanka no problem, but not on the more nearby kingdoms. Indian Subjugation only works on the same culture group. There are two culture groups in India: Indo-Aryan and Dravidian.
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May 5, 2014 19:59
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fool_of_sound posted:Indian Subjugation only works on the same culture group. There are two culture groups in India: Indo-Aryan and Dravidian. Ah right so that's why I can't subjugate the bastards. Luckily I have my daughter matrilinearly married to one of their princes, hopefully she will overcome her lesbianism and produce a child whose claim I can press.
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May 5, 2014 20:09
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marktheando posted:Ah right so that's why I can't subjugate the bastards. Luckily I have my daughter matrilinearly married to one of their princes, hopefully she will overcome her lesbianism and produce a child whose claim I can press. Yeah, you'll either need to luck out with inheritance/claims or probably need to have a Dravidian educate an heir and switch to their culture group for a few generations so you can subjugate southern India.
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May 5, 2014 20:24
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Love this game. I erected a runestone dedicated to my mother. It mentioned that she died peacefully in bed and that I, King Haraldr had nothing to do with it. I blotted her.
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May 5, 2014 21:15
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I seem to have a strange bug where since restoring the Persian Empire, people in the empire can no longer get married. Anyone know what might be causing that? EDIT: Ha, turns out inheriting the Immortals title had turned my realm into a state where marriage is forbidden. Reveilled fucked around with this message at 22:22 on May 5, 2014 |
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May 5, 2014 22:17
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Reveilled posted:I seem to have a strange bug where since restoring the Persian Empire, people in the empire can no longer get married. Anyone know what might be causing that? Haha, that's pretty brilliant.  Didn't know that was possible.
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May 5, 2014 22:24
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Dutchfool posted:Haha, that's pretty brilliant. I gave the grandmaster the duchy of Tabriz and he made that his primary title, then died, and because he had the immortal title (and marriage was therefore forbidden), but was a feudal ruler by primary title, I inherited all his titles as his liege. It's a shame it does that, because I had a ten thousand man holy order that cost literally no piety to hire, and literally no money in upkeep. It does strike me that it'd probably be a good timebomb title, give it to a problem dynasty and watch as their family gets destroyed by its no-marriage mechanics, like the curse of the monkey's paw.
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May 5, 2014 22:28
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Reveilled posted:I seem to have a strange bug where since restoring the Persian Empire, people in the empire can no longer get married. Anyone know what might be causing that? That's a new one in one of the recent patches. You used to be able to hold those titles no problem. I'm guessing it's a bug because it wasn't documented.
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May 5, 2014 22:30
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Reveilled posted:I gave the grandmaster the duchy of Tabriz and he made that his primary title, then died, and because he had the immortal title (and marriage was therefore forbidden), but was a feudal ruler by primary title, I inherited all his titles as his liege. Sweet, indeed. Use it as a trojan horse into the Karling kingdom(s).  Would be a hilarious way to gain power in Europe.
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May 5, 2014 22:42
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MrBling posted:is there a way to unfuck my iron man save that randomly decided to hand me a game over screen or should I just chalk it up to a Paradox Learning Experience (TM) ? If I'm honest the save is probably a lost cause however just for future reference if it happens again don't exit to main menu, ctrl+alt+del and kill ckII from the programs list. It'll prevent ironman from auto-saving so it should give you an in game month to figure out what has given you the game over and correct it. I've had random game overs a couple of times and by doing that the game over didn't trigger a second time so I managed to prevent my game coming to an end prematurely.
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May 5, 2014 23:13
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What exactly is the penalty for having a holding of the wrong type? I'm sitting on a city until I can grab the other county in its duchy and use that to create a vassal republic. I'm seeing various warnings about this but I don't see any indication of what the problem actually is. My vassals don't seem worried about it, as far as I can tell I'm still getting tax revenue, I don't see any heightened revolt risk, etc.
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May 6, 2014 00:16
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Bold Robot posted:What exactly is the penalty for having a holding of the wrong type? I'm sitting on a city until I can grab the other county in its duchy and use that to create a vassal republic. I'm seeing various warnings about this but I don't see any indication of what the problem actually is. My vassals don't seem worried about it, as far as I can tell I'm still getting tax revenue, I don't see any heightened revolt risk, etc. You lose 75% tax revenue from having a wrong holding type. I think that's the only downside.
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May 6, 2014 00:20
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You get 75% less income from wrong holding types. E:^ 
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May 6, 2014 00:20
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MrBling posted:is there a way to unfuck my iron man save that randomly decided to hand me a game over screen or should I just chalk it up to a Paradox Learning Experience (TM) ? At least you didn't have a marvellous empire, then accidentally make yourself the Pope. You used to be able to alter save games with a text editor, but they've moved to a binary format now, and I couldn't find an editor, or an explanation of the format to write my own.
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May 6, 2014 00:22
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Edison was a dick posted:At least you didn't have a marvellous empire, then accidentally make yourself the Pope. I don't play Ironman so maybe this is disabled, but there's an option to prevent compression of autosaves in the options menu, and when you save the game manually there's a checkbox on the right of the field you type the save's name into which will save the game in the old format.
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May 6, 2014 00:24
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Reveilled posted:I don't play Ironman so maybe this is disabled, but there's an option to prevent compression of autosaves in the options menu, and when you save the game manually there's a checkbox on the right of the field you type the save's name into which will save the game in the old format. Compressed savegames are a zip file of a metadata file and a game data file. I had assumed that turning off compression would change how it's zipped, rather than the game data blob's format, but I'll give it a look, thanks for the tip.
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May 6, 2014 00:29
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Tsyni posted:You lose 75% tax revenue from having a wrong holding type. I think that's the only downside. So, depending on how much you tax your burgher vassals, it might not be a penalty at all?
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May 6, 2014 00:43
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Bold Robot posted:So, depending on how much you tax your burgher vassals, it might not be a penalty at all? Theoretically, but remember that the money mayors aren't giving to you doesn't just disappear into thin air - they're using it to upgrade the town (most of the time, anyway). So it's more efficient to tax them and let them invest in improving the town, then you benefit from the increased levy size as well as increased tax income without having to have spent any of your own money.
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May 6, 2014 01:16
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Okay, that question again, I cant get the tooltips over maps to stick to my mouse! They always appear way over in the bottom right corner of the screen. How do I fix this?
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May 6, 2014 01:16
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Thrasophius posted:If I'm honest the save is probably a lost cause however just for future reference if it happens again don't exit to main menu, ctrl+alt+del and kill ckII from the programs list. It'll prevent ironman from auto-saving so it should give you an in game month to figure out what has given you the game over and correct it. I know what happened. I joined a revolt in Italy as a patrician (not doge at the time) in Amalfi. That kicked me out of the republic and when the revolt finished I got a game over screen telling me I had become a merchant republic, which is true but I had been that the entire time. Just a quirk of the new revolt system I guess.
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May 6, 2014 04:29
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Dutchfool posted:Currently, when you know about a plot to kill close family to you, you will only get an imprison reason. But wouldn't the plotter(s) in real life have been imprisoned, only to be tortured and killed later? That as far as I know happened pretty often in early medieval times. Of course the family of the tortured/killed person will hate you, but the kings had a "valid" reason to do so and the vassals accepted it. The game doesn't reflect this. Can't think of any specific cases off the top of my head, but didn't nobles who killed the wrong people usually ~mysteriously~ die in prison, rather than being openly convicted and executed? Assassinating people in prison is easy.
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May 6, 2014 05:11
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MrBling posted:I know what happened. I joined a revolt in Italy as a patrician (not doge at the time) in Amalfi. That kicked me out of the republic and when the revolt finished I got a game over screen telling me I had become a merchant republic, which is true but I had been that the entire time. Just a quirk of the new revolt system I guess. Probably from your capital not being a coastal county.
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May 6, 2014 05:43
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SeaTard posted:Probably from your capital not being a coastal county. My capital was Salerno, but I'm assuming the game over was because I was count level (two counties, couldn't hold a duchy since Amalfi isn't a king tier republic) and the game apparently couldn't put me back in Amalfi. Presumbly if I held the duchy of Salerno I would have spawned my own republic?
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May 6, 2014 05:56
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yeah, count level republics are not playable.
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May 6, 2014 06:28
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Well here's something interesting The dark blue & light green in the middle east/north africa are yazidi and shia islam respectively. Sunni has been pushed out to Spain. Best I can tell is that the Byzantines won enough holy wars to tank their MA. I've never seen Islam fracture so badly before.
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May 6, 2014 08:31
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I'm trying to usurp the Kingdom of Scotland with Ivar the Boneless, but the game tells me that I cannot because it's the primary title and the current owner has land in the Kingdom. What happens when King (or Duke, I guess) loses his last holding? Does he lose the higher title as well? Or does he take one from his vassals?
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May 6, 2014 10:19
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paranoid randroid posted:I've never seen Islam fracture so badly before. I had a pre-RoI ironman Scotland save where the Muslim AI had nearly completely eliminated Sunni Islam in favor of Shi'a. I've never seen anything like it before or since.
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May 6, 2014 10:23
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Fat Samurai posted:I'm trying to usurp the Kingdom of Scotland with Ivar the Boneless, but the game tells me that I cannot because it's the primary title and the current owner has land in the Kingdom. He takes it from his vassals. They changed the usurp rules in the last patch or two, so you can no longer usurp someone's primary title if they are of another religion and hold any land within that de jure kingdom, so just keep... chipping away at it, I guess.
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May 6, 2014 10:26
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Allyn posted:He takes it from his vassals. They changed the usurp rules in the last patch or two, so you can no longer usurp someone's primary title if they are of another religion and hold any land within that de jure kingdom, so just keep... chipping away at it, I guess. Crap. I better bumrush Ireland and get myself a King title before gavelkind does a number on my inheritance.
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May 6, 2014 10:46
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Luckily Scotland only takes 2 wars usually. Though Ireland is good if you're a different religion since you can just DOW each count after each war right away. I did that in my current Cathar game and felt a little bit bad but they started the first war so it's ok. That said, it is a bit unfair how much of an advantage knowing that you can hire mercs gives you.
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May 6, 2014 11:00
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MrBling posted:My capital was Salerno, but I'm assuming the game over was because I was count level (two counties, couldn't hold a duchy since Amalfi isn't a king tier republic) and the game apparently couldn't put me back in Amalfi. I'm pretty sure one of two things happened there: 1. Joining the revolt made you the revolt equivalent of a count (due to how ranks are given out when a revolt starts) then once the revolt ended the game reverted you to a merchant republic which results in game over, similar to becoming pope giving game over. 2. As you mentioned you became an independent merchant of count level which (as far as I know) is just a glorified mayor resulting in game over.
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May 6, 2014 11:45
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Allyn posted:As a king, you cannot swear fealty to an Emperor who is not your de jure liege. That's why he can't see the option. That is kind of lame, really. If an Empire is rolling through lands outside their historical area, I for one would much rather swear fealty and pay my taxes to them than have them chip away at my kingdom. Get some Realpolitik up in here. We're mongols now, hooray! Pellisworth posted:I usually hand out a duchy or two to dynasty members, I generally don't care too much about the "unlanded son" penalty because Prestige is easy to get, but if I'm expanding and have extra sons I'll give them a single county in a newly conquered duchy or something. I like to marry extra sons to some countess or duchess far away, especially if I can find one that doesn't require a matrilineal union. Too far away and not powerful enough to be a threat to the main line. The son is happy because he is landed now, at no cost to me. Mostly these distant lines just die out, but occasionally generations later you find some kinsman has become a king.
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May 6, 2014 12:15
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How often does the AI use merc companies? If they have the cash they absolutely should do, every time imo. I'm finding it too easy to use mercs to win the opening battles, disband them and then siege the provinces down.
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May 6, 2014 13:08
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Edison was a dick posted:Have you tried not using Windows 8? Before Windows 8 I was using XP, which was fine but wouldn't run X-Com so I got 8 during that window when it was super cheap. Naturally some of my old equipment never got drivers for 8, so I had to install drivers for 7 instead, and frankly it is amazing the whole creaking mess hasn't blown up in my face. I did add a 1TB drive a couple years ago, so I thought about keeping an XP partition when I added windows 8, but ultimately  won and I'm just going to muddle along until I can afford a new system.As it is I can play everything up to and including Sons of Abraham, so I'm not missing much. The worst part is not being able to search the character finder by traits, but that's not a deal breaker. I appreciate the interest though, thanks.
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May 6, 2014 13:23
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Bitter Mushroom posted:How often does the AI use merc companies? If they have the cash they absolutely should do, every time imo. I'm finding it too easy to use mercs to win the opening battles, disband them and then siege the provinces down. Mercs cost money. A lot of money, at that. On that topic, what are good ways to make money? In both my Zoroastrian game and my Ireland one, I never really felt rich. Former I was eventually getting 25 gold a month, plus money from constantly warring and besieging enemy holdings, and I probably would have felt a it richer if I hadn't been constantly upgrading my capital holdings, creating/usurping titles, and otherwise using my liquid assets, but it still felt like not so much. Also, what are good monthly incomes for various sized duchies/kingdoms/empires? I'm not sure if I was actually ahead or doing really poorly in that respect. Related, what are good ways to spend one's money? I had heard that upgrading your capital so that you eventually start getting more money and other things from it is good, and obviously you always need some around in case of war or other event, but I'd like to know what else I should do with it. I almost never hold on to large amounts of it, unless I'm doing something like saving to construct a new holding, but if there are better ways of doing things I'm open to suggestions.
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May 6, 2014 13:25
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Need money? Create a merchant republic.
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May 6, 2014 13:41
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