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Zephro posted:The NHS is one of the most efficient healthcare systems in the world, so pretty much everywhere else with comparable standards of healthcare will spend more money on it than we do. The French spend more than anyone, though. Their system is about getting the absolute best care possible as opposed to ours, which is high-functioning high-efficiency. Was, anyway. e; I think it's the second most expensive in the world behind (obviously) America.
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can someone repost that table that details the number of expats there are from each country (India was first, then china, then the UK) TIA
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May 6, 2014 20:48
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Yeah the French have the best system in the world by any metric, but it does cost them a pretty penny. We've still got an amazingly good system that's much more efficient, but I think we tend to rank about fifth globally? Pretty amazing at any rate. I think part of it is that some countries seem to be moving in different directions. The UK is barelling full-tilt towards, at best, old-school East Asian autocracy. Meanwhile the US just had major healthcare reforms. We're still miles ahead of them, yes, but it's not hard to look at the situation and wonder for how long that might be true. If they get around to a single payer system in another twenty years or something, I wouldn't be surprised to see our rankings flipped around. Christ can you imagine how good the Yanks would be at healthcare if they spent the same amount of money but on actual healthcare? Anyway my point is if you're looking at the way things are going instead of how they currently are, you may draw different conclusions. They may not be the right ones of course.
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May 6, 2014 20:48
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Mister Adequate posted:Christ can you imagine how good the Yanks would be at healthcare if they spent the same amount of money but on actual healthcare? Terrible, their health care is not only expensive, but it's terrible for any price, and only made worse because it's terrible. They have some 'decent' surgeons, not the best for most fields, but decent, but anything below that? piss poor. There were 2 things really horrible about the time I stepped on a rusty nail in the US... 1) Their 'care' was putting my foot in a bowl of iodine for 20 minutes. 2) Said 'care' cost $700 (granted, it was ER, but I got myself there under my own power). 3) Ok... AMONG the things wrong with that incident... 3) The attitude I got from everywhere except the ER - 'gently caress off, we're busy' (my regular doctor had a game of golf that day, and the next day he was planning on evacuating for the hurricane for which I was nailing boards over the window for). Their dentists aren't much better, either.
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May 6, 2014 21:01
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Seaside Loafer posted:Trickjaw I was more talking about the road but my upper esophagus irritation is doing allot better thank you No, the A12 is abominable, even worse when you get beyond the m25 junction. I was talking more about Essex towns, as its Tory central here, with a healthy smattering of racists in Dagenham/Barking
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May 6, 2014 21:09
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Spangly A posted:The French spend more than anyone, though. Their system is about getting the absolute best care possible as opposed to ours, which is high-functioning high-efficiency. Was, anyway. Efficiency is defined as output divided by input. If government input to health care is zero, public sector efficiency is automatically infinite! 
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May 6, 2014 21:11
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Renaissance Robot posted:Efficiency is defined as output divided by input. If government input to health care is zero, public sector efficiency is automatically infinite! Keep your voice down, or Jeremy Hunt will hear you.
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May 6, 2014 21:32
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A new people's champion arises http://www.standard.co.uk/news/transport/the-wouldbe-next-bob-crow-who-revels-in-bringing-london-to-a-standstill-9325940.html
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May 6, 2014 21:34
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Mahmoud Ahmadinejad posted:A new people's champion arises http://www.standard.co.uk/news/transport/the-wouldbe-next-bob-crow-who-revels-in-bringing-london-to-a-standstill-9325940.html Isn't this guy a wife beater? There's definitely one guy at the top of the RMT who is and I'm fairly sure this is him.
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May 6, 2014 21:51
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Bozza posted:Isn't this guy a wife beater? There's definitely one guy at the top of the RMT who is and I'm fairly sure this is him. According to twitter gossip you are correct. http://socialistunity.com/statement-from-steve-hedley/ That appears to be where it all stands legally now. JoylessJester fucked around with this message at 22:00 on May 6, 2014 |
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May 6, 2014 21:56
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Oh, bollocks 
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May 6, 2014 22:03
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Trickjaw posted:Its been tory through and through since before time. I would say its odd you know all the places along the A12 that are notorious for cottaging, but then we know how you suffer from digestive stress. That A11/A12/A13 corridor only really turned into the Essex we know and hate in the eighties. Tebbit's "Basildon Man" theory really was the Tories Southern Strategy, playing up on racist fears particularly among those who participated in the massive White Flight in the eighties under Right to Buy, as well as of course convincing every jobbing plumber and chippy that they too were now a Captain Of Industry. You see this most particularly in the areas between the North Circular and the M25 (which I know isn't technically Essex) where the BNP and EDL are well-supported by people absolutely terrified by the fact the Brown Hordes they thought they'd escaped when they flipped their council flat on Vallance Road suddenly started getting enough money to move out to Barking and Rainham.
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May 6, 2014 22:04
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goddamnedtwisto posted:That A11/A12/A13 corridor only really turned into the Essex we know and hate in the eighties. Tebbit's "Basildon Man" theory really was the Tories Southern Strategy, playing up on racist fears particularly among those who participated in the massive White Flight in the eighties under Right to Buy, as well as of course convincing every jobbing plumber and chippy that they too were now a Captain Of Industry. As always, much more complete and well put across than my effort. Trickjaw fucked around with this message at 22:10 on May 6, 2014 |
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May 6, 2014 22:07
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Trickjaw posted:No, the A12 is abominable, even worse when you get beyond the m25 junction. I was talking more about Essex towns, as its Tory central here, with a healthy smattering of racists in Dagenham/Barking The A12 from the M25 junction out to Chelmsford used to be the approved high-speed proving ground for London bikers because Essex plod were all busy ticketing continental lorry drivers on the M11. Then came the Gatso, and a generation lost their licence. (Well not quite but ISTR the speed camera just past Brentwood, cunningly hidden under the overpass, used to be the second-most profitable in the UK)
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May 6, 2014 22:09
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Unrelated to anything really, I just wanted to say that I finished a lovely and stupidly dangerous Mandatory Work Activity placement on Friday, the last day of which involved working from 8.30 until 5.30 without a break or as much as a sip of water. On Saturday morning I shored up at my usual voluntary gig, and on going to unlock the front door of the shared building, couldn't help but notice that someone had kicked the glass of it right the gently caress in. Our company is ethical and sound, but it shares a building with a work programme providor, so you can probably guess what happened on Friday night. It was a weird mix of emotions, being totally on the side of whoever did it, but having what I'd hoped would be an easy morning extended by staying late to sort out the repair of the thing. If they'd have let me known about their project I'd have let them in so they could boot in specific offices.
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May 6, 2014 22:20
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We just got our Conservative European election leaflets through the door. The one addressed to my wife had the BNP one folded inside it.  Edit: Sample quote quote:The others are faceless nobodies - NICK is a high profile celebrity and international statesman! Kegluneq fucked around with this message at 22:47 on May 6, 2014 |
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May 6, 2014 22:26
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SybilVimes posted:Terrible, their health care is not only expensive, but it's terrible for any price, and only made worse because it's terrible. Well yeah, I was sort of assuming that the shift from paying insurance companies to providing healthcare would help improve things.
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May 6, 2014 22:40
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That's not really what they're doing, the affordable healthcare provision is really just a government insurance plan. Not strictly state provision of the services. I am going to learn a lot more about it when I speak with the insurance team of our business services provider. I get the feeling I am going to be the one running point on setting up our company's healthcare plan here. Uninsured in New York it cost me about 360 bucks to see a doc and get a prescription for antibiotics to treat my strep throat. The ENT doc charged about 50 bucks for removing ear wax during my visit. Without telling me the charge before he did it. Lol seriously, gently caress being uninsured in America. anyway, this isn't really UK chat. but end of the day, the NHS is seriously cool people.
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May 6, 2014 22:53
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goddamnedtwisto posted:That A11/A12/A13 corridor only really turned into the Essex we know and hate in the eighties. Tebbit's "Basildon Man" theory really was the Tories Southern Strategy, playing up on racist fears particularly among those who participated in the massive White Flight in the eighties under Right to Buy, as well as of course convincing every jobbing plumber and chippy that they too were now a Captain Of Industry. Out of interest how big an effect is the influx of white middle class professionals into poor ethnic minority areas like Peckham having on demographics? Is it possible inner London is going to end up as a rich white ghetto, like many European cities?
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May 6, 2014 23:21
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JFairfax posted:Uninsured in New York it cost me about 360 bucks to see a doc and get a prescription for antibiotics to treat my strep throat. My brother had a similar experience when he was living in New York. The doctor wrote a prescription for a brand name antibiotic, it was only when he mentioned it to the pharmacist that he was offered the equivalent generic for about a third of the price. A ridiculous system, if he didn't know that there was a perfectly good generic he would have been out a ridiculous amount of money.
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May 6, 2014 23:37
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Metrication posted:Out of interest how big an effect is the influx of white middle class professionals into poor ethnic minority areas like Peckham having on demographics? Is it possible inner London is going to end up as a rich white ghetto, like many European cities? *Inner* inner London, basically anything bordering the City or Westminster (Tower Hamlets excluded for now at least) already are. Gentrification isn't a new thing after all - when Booth drew his poverty maps at the turn of the century some of the poorest areas were places like Soho, Pimlico, and even Holborn and Bloomsbury. I don't know about the situation in Peckham but in Tower Hamlets the three-fronted gentrifcation - hipsters to the north and north-west, bankers invading from both the City and Canary Wharf - is having surprisingly little effect on the politics. Part of this is because the arrivistes aren't voting (either not bothering to register or too scared of the brown people to leave their gated communities) and part of it is because the existing communities are becoming more politically-aware and are voting in larger numbers (for both good and ill, we can blame this phenomenon for the Lutfur Rahman catastrofuck and George Galloway taking time off from licking dictator's arses to pretend to be a politician again).
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May 6, 2014 23:52
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Spangly A posted:There really weren't many healthcare providers in the entire world better than the NHS and I can think of precisely none that were free bar prescription. It was also 4th-6th most efficient fairly consistently. HortonNash posted:The NHS is amazing, I'd be dead and my family bankrupt without it, but in trying to save it the last government let the management classes in, and they don't care about public sector work ethics. The NHS is without a doubt amazing, I'd be dead from appendicitis and my mother from a brain heamorrhage, or at the very least bankrupt from paying for treatment so it is literally a service to which I and many of my family owe their lives. It really does make me sick watching it begin to ail like it is when it is preventable. It's all well and good the government saying "austerity" when they no doubt have private healthcare themselves but it royally fucks over the average Joe. As mentioned by you guys the sheer waste of resources and bad descisions is ridiculous. Spangly A posted:The French spend more than anyone, though. Their system is about getting the absolute best care possible as opposed to ours, which is high-functioning high-efficiency. Was, anyway. Yeh the French go for absolute best care no matter the price and I'm sure ours is still on the high-efficiency rather than best possible what with that cancer drug deemed "too expensive" recently. I mean hell I'd be disgusted if I was denied that drug when it meant another 6 months with my family.
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Thrasophius posted:It really does make me sick watching it begin to ail like it is when it is preventable. It's all well and good the government saying "austerity" when they no doubt have private healthcare themselves but it royally fucks over the average Joe. As mentioned by you guys the sheer waste of resources and bad descisions is ridiculous. Not only do they have private healthcare, many of them own private healthcare companies, or at least have financial and business links to them. This is the thing, those 'bad decisions' are actually good decisions if your interests are aligned with the erosion of the NHS, and replacing as much of it as possible with private providers. It's not incompetence at work here, there's a concerted effort to roll back all of the effort building a public, state healthcare institution, just like with privatising everything else in the name of small government and private-sector efficiency. You can give the benefit of the doubt and say that people truly do believe the free market will make things better, in the face of all historical evidence to the contrary - and some will, even if many others stand to directly profit from it. But either way, the common thread is that they're both pushing for this to happen. They want the NHS dismantled and replaced. There's a lot that could be done better in the NHS as it is, but cutting funding and vaguely saying 'better find some way to make that money stretch further' is not safeguarding and improving the NHS by any measure - it's starving the beast, until the day they look sad and say 'looks like we've gotta put it down '
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I cant sleep (cos my loving girlfriends snoring again) so I was listening to business matters on bbc world service it usually just annoys the gently caress out of me but they had an interview with the guy who just released the book about how capitlism doesnt work and a big debate afterwards. Was interesting, will prolly be on iPlayer.
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May 7, 2014 02:05
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Ohhhhh, so 2 AM is when all the balance/extreme leftist bias occurs
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May 7, 2014 02:23
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baka kaba posted:Ohhhhh, so 2 AM is when all the balance/extreme leftist bias occurs Those lefties probably don't work anyway, they're all up in the small hours making placards or something  
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Mister Adequate posted:Well yeah, I was sort of assuming that the shift from paying insurance companies to providing healthcare would help improve things. PPACA doesn't do this at all, if anything, it reinforces the private insurers by giving them guaranteed sales paid for by government subsidies It's also not going to lead to single payer in the US anytime soon (Vermont aside). Britain is in very little risk of having its health care system eclipsed by that of the US, although the moves towards NHS privatization are terrible.
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baka kaba posted:Ohhhhh, so 2 AM is when all the balance/extreme leftist bias occurs Here you go http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p01y76ws BBC posted:Wealth Inequality: The Growing Gap Between Rich And Poor
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May 7, 2014 09:53
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baka kaba posted:Ohhhhh, so 2 AM is when all the balance/extreme leftist bias occurs Depends. Sometimes you get people like that who discuss how capitalism leads to inevitable inequality and sometimes you get people talking about how wonderful the free market is and asking why people don't work as hard as they used to.
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May 7, 2014 10:01
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QuantumCrayons posted:people talking about how wonderful the free market is and asking why people don't work as hard as they used to. What a bizarre thing to ask. Surely one of the things that the Holy Free Market deemed us worthy enough to benefit from was the sacred Efficiency that would free us from hard work?
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KKKlean Energy posted:What a bizarre thing to ask. Surely one of the things that the Holy Free Market deemed us worthy enough to benefit from was the sacred Efficiency that would free us from hard work? My dad frequently assures me that I'm lazy and don't work as hard as him. I've had 25 jobs in my life; he's had 3. Indeed, we are the lazy generation.
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May 7, 2014 10:55
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I just stole this for the AUMT, because no one had posted it there. Thanks chum 
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CountButtula posted:My dad frequently assures me that I'm lazy and don't work as hard as him. I've had 25 jobs in my life; he's had 3. Indeed, we are the lazy generation.
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May 7, 2014 11:09
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In just over two weeks' time, GPs will be voting on a proposal stating that it will be necessary to charge patients for appointments and that free at the point of delivery healthcare is unsustainable, at least for general practice. Here's the text of the proposition: http://bma.org.uk/-/media/files/pdf...ith%20cover.pdf quote:27 AGENDA COMMITTEE to be proposed by WILTSHIRE That conference: This isn't the only funding-related proposal that will be addressed during the conference - there are several arguing for more central government funding in general and additional support for GPs in rural/disadvantaged communities in particular - but it's interesting that there seems to be at least a sizeable minority of GPs who are quite gung ho about killing off free care.
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May 7, 2014 11:39
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The vote won't pass, the greedy bastards will be too busy off playing golf to turn up.
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May 7, 2014 11:41
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What happens if you can't pay the 25 quid?
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May 7, 2014 11:50
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haakman posted:What happens if you can't pay the 25 quid? You die. e: this pretty much guarentees that i can't afford to keep treating my diabetes, so in essence, I die, that's life I guess. Dear tory voters, please feel free to put out 'vote tory twat' signs this coming year, it'll help identify whose skulls to smash in with a mallet - if I'm gonna die, I'm taking as many of you as I can with me. 
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I expect there would continue to be similar criteria for free consultation as you get with those entitled to free dental care and free prescriptions so I wouldn't panic too much. Though it would ensure that somebody like me who is lucky enough to be earning and generally healthy is less likely to get that nasty cough or suspicious mole checked out. C'est la vie.
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Pissflaps posted:I expect there would continue to be similar criteria for free consultation as you get with those entitled to free dental care and free prescriptions so I wouldn't panic too much. "Want the same service that you've been used to all your life? You can still get, but not before navigating through all these pointless loops and barriers."
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So, uh, if anyone was following the Strangecoin thread, do you know either a) what happened or b) why it's disappeared?
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