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field balm posted:I started working on an OP for a pauper thread like 2 years ago and never posted it - its out of date now though: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1TsMAQkrjmnLRFAZg0jvXhtnMyzfW7j_iOS8zZBWBNN0/edit I'm a recent convert to tortured existence and if it takes an hour clock to win a game you sure aren't doing it right.
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Does anyone else think monored might be just a little bit too strong in the MTGO cube? Honest question, not bitching. I both play it when I just really want to win, and also hate losing to it.
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May 7, 2014 04:37
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DAD LOST MY IPOD posted:So my pick for sleeper rare of the set is Hypnotic Siren. MonoB is losing its draw engine, aggressive creature, undercosted fatty, and half of its removal. Azorius/esper control is losing its board wipe, its best removal spell, its draw engine and its win condition. GR monsters is faring better but is still losing Domri Rade which is a big deal, along with any bloodrush dudes they were running (basically just Rampager). MonoU is losing two two-drops that were decidedly mediocre but played only for their double-U mana costs, as well as Judge's Familiar/Cloudfin Raptor, which can be replaced directly by Siren. The fact that it's a fine turn 1-2 play and a backbreaker in the late-game means I think it's going to be a four-of in a lot of aggressive decks once the rotation hits. There's still M15 and the new block to give various decks things and create new ones. Before Theros came out, no one would have predicted mono-black or mono-blue decks being a pretty big thing. Likewise, there were certain decks that looked really good on paper but performed like crap (G/W, I'm looking at you). What I'm curious about is what kind of cards have been seeded in Theros block to hint at the future. Some of the ones in RtR block stuck out like a sore thumb (Ethereal Armor and Sphere of Safety), but there's nothing offhand in Theros block that strikes me as an obvious plant.
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May 7, 2014 04:42
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RoleModel posted:There's still M15 and the new block to give various decks things and create new ones. Before Theros came out, no one would have predicted mono-black or mono-blue decks being a pretty big thing. Likewise, there were certain decks that looked really good on paper but performed like crap (G/W, I'm looking at you). True, but people tend to be fairly conservative and until a new deck tears up the Pro Tour or a high-profile SCO the money will chase cards that we know slot into existing decks. Also, I just love Hypnotic Siren.
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May 7, 2014 04:55
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RoleModel posted:There's still M15 and the new block to give various decks things and create new ones. Before Theros came out, no one would have predicted mono-black or mono-blue decks being a pretty big thing. Likewise, there were certain decks that looked really good on paper but performed like crap (G/W, I'm looking at you). All the ones that care about how many of a type of basic you have maybe?
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May 7, 2014 04:55
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Oh please no. I've had enough time in mono-colored land. We don't need mono-colored, basic-land land as well.
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May 7, 2014 04:57
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http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/arcana/1488 What a great picture to show that people are really enthused about getting made into a token. 
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May 7, 2014 05:07
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suicidesteve posted:All the ones that care about how many of a type of basic you have maybe? I think those are just so devotion players aren't hosed by the lack of devotion in Journey outside of the Gods.
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May 7, 2014 05:27
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Awesome. I just found out that this summer's PTQ season will be for Honolulu. Sadly it won't be modern format for the actual pro tour itself but who cares you're going there to surf.
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May 7, 2014 05:35
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Angry Grimace posted:I think those are just so devotion players aren't hosed by the lack of devotion in Journey outside of the Gods. On the other hand if there are fetchland reprints coming in the next block then those should interact with each other. Also if that's true, then it's more likely that the block would be another 'lands matter' block, which MaRo has stated he's really enthusiastic about doing again.
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May 7, 2014 05:37
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After reading this, where planeswalkers are taken down several notches: http://wiki.mtgsalvation.com/article/Great_Mending I'm left confused. What are the players supposed to be, if not planeswalkers on this former epic scale?
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May 7, 2014 05:39
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Kraus posted:After reading this, where planeswalkers are taken down several notches: Richer/older players are more powerful planeswalkers like urza while young ones and college students are xenagos scrub tier. Many speculators think they're urzas but are really tibalts.
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May 7, 2014 05:44
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Promoted Pawn posted:On the other hand if there are fetchland reprints coming in the next block then those should interact with each other. There aren't. Forsythe as much as said "hope for 2015" when talking about how blindsided WotC was by the jump in fetch prices.
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May 7, 2014 05:46
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tzirean posted:There aren't. Forsythe as much as said "hope for 2015" when talking about how blindsided WotC was by the jump in fetch prices. And imagine how shocked you'll be if they actually are this year. It's not like he would say "yup you got us watch out for them later this year" when questioned about the price rise in fetches.
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May 7, 2014 05:56
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I just did a 4th edition +legends cube draft at a friends house. It was pretty ridiculous. We were allowed to trade cards before matches started. Instead of rolling for first we went by converted mana cost of the bottom card of your library, and every game was played for ante. I played U/B control with Mind Twist, Mahamoti Djinn, and Royal Assassin. Highlights include one opponent playing Kird Ape into Giant Strength and beating my rear end down really badly. Another opponent went turn one Dark Ritual Hypnotic Specter 2 games straight (I won one of those games anyway thanks to having a Phantom Monster to block and Mind Twisting away all of his good cards.) A third opponent killed me from 15 with Channel + Disintegrate. Then he sided in Circle of Protection blue & black against me, so I Mind Twisted his hand, and beat him down with his own Gabriel Angelfire with Animate Dead on it. I also had a Sleight of Mind to beat his Circle of Protection but ended up not needing it. The cube is missing a lot of cards but the ones that are in it are pretty nuts. The card assortment, much like 4th edition, is made up of a few fairly costed creatures, some insanely broken cards, some overpowered color hosers, and some totally unplayable garbage. There are a lot of Walls and not much removal, and it's very important to figure out what colors are open so you can get some good stuff. It really captured the feel of old-school magic. Will probably do it again.
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May 7, 2014 06:48
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To understand a little bit about the stack, priority, and how things resolve I want to offer a situation that might arise while playing my EDH and see if I get the result correct. I have 40 life, Serra Avatar, Disciple of Griselbrand, and Toxic Deluge in hand. I cast Toxic Deluge and pay 20 life and in response use Disciple's ability to sacrifice Serra Avatar. With my understand Serra Avatar will be at 20/20 (after the cost of Toxic since my life will be at 20) which will net me 20 life from Disciple's ability, effectively returning me to 40 life but with Disciple in the grave and Serra back in my deck. Am I correct in my understanding in how this would resolve?
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May 7, 2014 06:51
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Oraculum Animi posted:To understand a little bit about the stack, priority, and how things resolve I want to offer a situation that might arise while playing my EDH and see if I get the result correct. Yes. As long as no one interrupts that, it should work.
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May 7, 2014 06:53
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field balm posted:Do you guys think a pauper only thread would get enough use? It's my favourite format, I'm sure the same goes for other people too.
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May 7, 2014 07:36
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Tharizdun posted:Prove it. MTGO is hardcore mode for MTG players are too used to the rules consistently working and cards doing what they are supposed to. The added variance shows who the true masters are.
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May 7, 2014 08:10
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Oraculum Animi posted:To understand a little bit about the stack, priority, and how things resolve I want to offer a situation that might arise while playing my EDH and see if I get the result correct. Why would you not just sac the Avatar before casting Toxic Deluge and gain 40 life? Fun fact: Vampire Nighthawk has been printed in SIX different sets in the last 4 years, and only twice in standard-legal expansions.
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May 7, 2014 08:11
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uggy posted:And imagine how shocked you'll be if they actually are this year. In all honesty, I'd be perfectly fine if they just shoved the full set of fetches in a special set and just declared the Onslaught ones Modern legal. All of the demand for fetches is from Modern/Legacy players and I don't really want to shuffle all day every day.
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May 7, 2014 08:23
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Oraculum Animi posted:EDH Cheater. And yes, it will work how you said. But like Tharizdun said, there's really no reason not to sac the Avatar first and gain an extra 20 life out of it.
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May 7, 2014 09:24
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Tharizdun posted:Why would you not just sac the Avatar before casting Toxic Deluge and gain 40 life? Because Vampire Nighthawk is good everywhere.
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May 7, 2014 12:06
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RoleModel posted:What I'm curious about is what kind of cards have been seeded in Theros block to hint at the future. Some of the ones in RtR block stuck out like a sore thumb (Ethereal Armor and Sphere of Safety), but there's nothing offhand in Theros block that strikes me as an obvious plant. Gild and King Macar. 
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May 7, 2014 12:46
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RoleModel posted:What I'm curious about is what kind of cards have been seeded in Theros block to hint at the future. Some of the ones in RtR block stuck out like a sore thumb (Ethereal Armor and Sphere of Safety), but there's nothing offhand in Theros block that strikes me as an obvious plant. Sable and Lamia tribal. You heard it here first.
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May 7, 2014 12:55
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TheLawinator posted:I'm a recent convert to tortured existence and if it takes an hour clock to win a game you sure aren't doing it right. I played that UW Reality Acid deck for a while. Talk about a grind!
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May 7, 2014 13:17
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RoleModel posted:There's still M15 and the new block to give various decks things and create new ones. Before Theros came out, no one would have predicted mono-black or mono-blue decks being a pretty big thing. Likewise, there were certain decks that looked really good on paper but performed like crap (G/W, I'm looking at you). MaRo has a cryptic answer about this, as always: MaRo's Tumblr posted:
Personally I think he's referring to the basic land creatures, which may lead credence to the idea of another land matters set. But since MaRo's responses are essentially text versions of Rorschach tests, take from it what you will.
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May 7, 2014 13:28
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Cunso posted:MaRo has a cryptic answer about this, as always: He literally said in a column that that cycle was designed to continue to reward single colour decks without it being more devotion cards, as with the gods being two-colour and deovtion, there wasn't much to push a single colour in the set. mehall fucked around with this message at 14:32 on May 7, 2014 |
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May 7, 2014 13:59
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mehall posted:He literally said in a column that that cycle was designed to continue to reward single colour decks without it being more devotion cards, as with the gods being two-colour and deovtion, there wasn't much to push a single colour in the set. It was also because they wanted to only have devotion on the gods to show the mortals were done with worshipping.
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May 7, 2014 14:16
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I'm thinking Mindreaver and Godsend have something to do with the next block. They also recently relaxed the punishments for deck registration errors if the error is not believed to have been committed in bad faith. I think they did that because deck registration will be come a little trickier when cards with the same name come in different colors and have different rules text. Mindreaver is the sleeper rare.
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May 7, 2014 14:41
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Mindreaver is just the requisite Bad Do-Nothing Blue Rare, every set has to have one.
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May 7, 2014 15:15
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Entropic posted:Mindreaver is just the requisite Bad Do-Nothing Blue Rare, every set has to have one.
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May 7, 2014 15:24
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As I speculated a few dozen pages ago, I am guessing that Gold will feature in the next block.
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May 7, 2014 15:27
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Entropic posted:Mindreaver is just the requisite Bad Do-Nothing Blue Rare, every set has to have one. I fully believe that its going to be a 2-5 dollar rare, as it, along with hypnotic siren will help keep the mono-blue deck a thing in standard post rotation.
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May 7, 2014 15:28
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Madmarker posted:I fully believe that its going to be a 2-5 dollar rare, as it, along with hypnotic siren will help keep the mono-blue deck a thing in standard post rotation. I fully believe you're wrong and that it's a bad card.
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May 7, 2014 15:43
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Entropic posted:I fully believe you're wrong and that it's a bad card. To be fair, people play a lot of bad cards in Mono-Blue Devotion.
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May 7, 2014 15:48
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Entropic posted:I fully believe you're wrong and that it's a bad card. I don't think anyone believes it's a good card, I think the argument is that it's a 2-drop that powers up Thassa and Master of Waves once frostburn et al rotate out.
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May 7, 2014 15:51
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Entropic posted:I fully believe you're wrong and that it's a bad card. Oh it is a bad card, however, its a 2 power 2 drop that grants 2 blue devotion. If Master of Waves and Thassa didnt exist, I would agree with you.
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May 7, 2014 15:54
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Yeah, barring M15 stuff this will be the only UU 2CMC permanent in Standard and will be an obvious four-of if MonoU remains a thing. Replacing Cloudfin Raptor with Hypnotic Siren and Frostburn Weird with this guy will substantially depower the deck though, so we'll see what happens. It's useless to speculate without knowing what's in the large fall set, though.
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Spiderdrake posted:It looks like someone wanted to reprint Grimoire Thief and someone wanted to print more wacky blue heroic cards and between the two getting squished together they had a terrible card baby. I forget who said it but "Avoidmage Prodigy" seemed very apt.
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