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mr. mephistopheles posted:No, it isn't. Overall global temperatures are rising. They transitioned to "climate change" because idiots were unable to comprehend that overall global warming can also lead to extreme cold as well. Of course then idiots just accuse them of shifting goalposts now and failing to grasp that climate change and global warming refer to the exact same phenomena and nothing has changed. You can also (try to) explain that climate change is also used more in the media these days because...well, we're seeing it now.
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PeterWeller posted:They are popular and important to their niche audiences. Outside of that audience, they are B-grade radio celebrities at best. You'll note that none of them come on during morning drive time, which is prime time for radio.
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FMguru posted:There's also the issue of terrestrial radio itself losing huge shares of its market and influence, given the way that people now listen to streaming services and their mp3 collections and podcast in their car. I can't imagine anyone under the age of 35 listening to radio if they could at all avoid it. I rely on this thread to filter Rush, Hannity, et al into tiny bite-sized chunks, I tried listening myself and I had to stop after five minutes and put on very loud rock music; I don't know how some of you in this thread can listen to them repeatedly and/or for hours at a time. Kudos to all of you who do so and report on what they're saying, I certainly couldn't do it myself. 
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FMguru posted:There's also the issue of terrestrial radio itself losing huge shares of its market and influence, given the way that people now listen to streaming services and their mp3 collections and podcast in their car. I can't imagine anyone under the age of 35 listening to radio if they could at all avoid it. Radio is pretty awful. I don't have a long drive but there are days where I'll have commercials the entire trip before hearing a song. I usually just keep my radio tuned to NPR. In the mornings I usually hear something interesting, and if I work late, I get Jazz on the way home. No commercials unless there's a pledge drive.
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mr. mephistopheles posted:No, it isn't. Overall global temperatures are rising. They transitioned to "climate change" because idiots were unable to comprehend that overall global warming can also lead to extreme cold as well. Of course then idiots just accuse them of shifting goalposts now and failing to grasp that climate change and global warming refer to the exact same phenomena and nothing has changed. Also, Frank Luntz was pushing for conservatives to use "climate change" over "global warming" when discussing the topic. From a 2003 memo from Luntz: quote:It’s time for us to start talking about “climate change” instead of global warming and “conservation” instead of preservation.
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thefncrow posted:Also, Frank Luntz was pushing for conservatives to use "climate change" over "global warming" when discussing the topic. From a 2003 memo from Luntz: Luntz is such a piece of loving poo poo.
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mr. mephistopheles posted:Luntz is such a piece of loving poo poo. I believe you mean Luntz is a "fecal sample".Fecal sample "sounds like something important and related to intelligent people like scientists and doctors", while loving piece of poo poo has vulgar, negative connotations attached to it.
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mr. mephistopheles posted:Luntz is such a piece of loving poo poo. He's right though. "Climate change" encompasses many different climate issues. "Global Warming" just illicits a "Oh, it's 30 degrees in July?
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Zuhzuhzombie!! posted:He's right though. "Climate change" encompasses many different climate issues. "Global Warming" just illicits a "Oh, it's 30 degrees in July?
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Dr. Arbitrary posted:Radio is pretty awful. I don't have a long drive but there are days where I'll have commercials the entire trip before hearing a song. I listen to sports talk radio when I leave my ipod at home. It's pretty great, mainly stupid comedy bits with a dash of serious sports talk here and there for good measure. If it's late in the afternoon and they're running ads, I'll switch to Levin for a few minutes because he is the height of unintentional comedy, like the other day when he flipped out on a marine combat veteran because he misunderstood that veteran's response to a question because he cut that veteran off halfway into his response.
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thefncrow posted:Also, Frank Luntz was pushing for conservatives to use "climate change" over "global warming" when discussing the topic. From a 2003 memo from Luntz: Jesus, I agree with Frank Luntz. The dialogue has been poisoned by right-wing strategists and using non-weaponized language would probably be helpful to get it going better. What with the most recent poisoning of the water in Charleston, I think it was, America has to start realizing we're being assholes to our own offspring by allowing this bullshit.
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Zuhzuhzombie!! posted:He's right though. "Climate change" encompasses many different climate issues. "Global Warming" just illicits a "Oh, it's 30 degrees in July? That is not at all what he is saying. He is advocating to stop calling it global warming because that is more likely to scare people and scared people mean more votes for Democrats. SnakePlissken posted:Jesus, I agree with Frank Luntz. The dialogue has been poisoned by right-wing strategists and using non-weaponized language would probably be helpful to get it going better. What with the most recent poisoning of the water in Charleston, I think it was, America has to start realizing we're being assholes to our own offspring by allowing this bullshit. Don't worry, you don't agree with him. Read it again.
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SnakePlissken posted:Jesus, I agree with Frank Luntz. The dialogue has been poisoned by right-wing strategists and using non-weaponized language would probably be helpful to get it going better. What with the most recent poisoning of the water in Charleston, I think it was, America has to start realizing we're being assholes to our own offspring by allowing this bullshit. While the GOP is winning the war over language, unilaterally disarming is not the way to come to a peaceful agreement.
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Yeah, the Luntz bit is basically him saying to use "climate change" because it sounds less serious, making the audience more receptive to the Republican case for doing nothing because it's inconvenient.
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I think Luntz and the GOP put too much into this supposed 1984-esque vocab-mind-control, at least in this case. Just about all of the connotations he ascribed to Global Warming are now widely recognized as part of Climate Change. The kind of people who are really affected by this are the kind of people who are literally not engaging beyond the headline. It's more important to find who/what will convince your average person that this isn't bullshit and we should be doing something about it, not just as a lovely chore, but as preparation to thrive in the future. Maybe we should start referring to it as global prepping. Food insurance on a national scale! A bunker the size of Wyoming! Take the USA off the grid with solar! You got my number DNC, InteLuntz at your service.
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Flipping around the radio, I heard on the local christian station, Janet Parshall's brand of insanity. They had some other fox news/right wing/southern baptist guy on named Todd Starnes, and he was ranting about the "Moral Decay" of America or some garbage. Then I came to a weird conclusion. The talking points this guy brought up? Sounded exactly like Muslim Terrorists talking points against us. It has been our sex, civil rights and "moral decay" that has truly made this country what it is today! That's truly American! Not this "I hate the gays/women having reproductive rights" stuff these people preach. To quote a previous president, if you follow what these people believe? You're letting the terrorists win.
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See also: massive amounts of Putin worship. I'm sure St. Ronnie appreciates that from his seat at Gods right hand.
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Something something Aaron Sorkin http://youtu.be/yGAvwSp86hY
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Intel&Sebastian posted:See also: massive amounts of Putin worship. I'm sure St. Ronnie appreciates that from his seat at Gods right hand. I'm rather terrified to think how BAD American Culture would be if these people had their way. The guy was bitching about how he lives in Brooklyn surrounded by "LIBERALS" drinking Lattes and eating kale chips. Saying he was a "Duck Dynasty guy" living in a "Miley Cyrus" world. I keep thinking about how boring culture would be if these people had their way. Not that I enjoy kale or anything, but so much food has come from immigrants these people have bitched about coming over to the US for years.
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Intel&Sebastian posted:I think Luntz and the GOP put too much into this supposed 1984-esque vocab-mind-control, at least in this case. Just about all of the connotations he ascribed to Global Warming are now widely recognized as part of Climate Change. Yes, but it still managed to do damage during the time it took to happen. They're not just looking at long term effects, but short term stalling tactics too.
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The difference is you get your 72 virgins when you attend meetings instead of when you die. Intel&Sebastian fucked around with this message at 00:51 on May 8, 2014 |
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SnakePlissken posted:What with the most recent poisoning of the water in Charleston, I think it was, America has to start realizing we're being assholes to our own offspring by allowing this bullshit. edit: Ghost of Reagan Past posted:The guy was bitching about how he lives in Brooklyn surrounded by "LIBERALS" drinking Lattes and eating kale chips. Saying he was a "Duck Dynasty guy" living in a "Miley Cyrus" world. Willing to bet Billy Ray Cyrus watches Duck Dynasty so those are actually the same world. 
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FuzzySkinner posted:I'm rather terrified to think how BAD American Culture would be if these people had their way. Because lattes own.
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A Fancy 400 lbs posted:Yes, but it still managed to do damage during the time it took to happen. They're not just looking at long term effects, but short term stalling tactics too. True, but at the same time I have to wonder what they could've done with the time, money and effort spent on a focus group (AKA those things that ruin everything) and a campaign to change a vocab word if they applied it towards a less abstract effort. Personally I just don't put that much stock into the idea that something like that is causing a major disruption. It strikes me as the same thinking that leads people to think Romney is about to run the table because people at his last rally looked real hyped up. It's not nothing, but it's far from everything. Edit: To put it another way I believe that sort of poo poo is one of many many shady tactics that seemingly worked gangbusters in the 90's, that became a GOP habit, and now it's a timesink at best and detrimental at it's worst. Intel&Sebastian fucked around with this message at 01:00 on May 8, 2014 |
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Ghost of Reagan Past posted:I don't know what happened to make lattes the item of scorn...anyone know? Because black sludgy percolated coffee was good enough for my pappy and his pappy and by gum it's good enough for me too.
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Ghost of Reagan Past posted:I don't know what happened to make lattes the item of scorn...anyone know? Even more simply: "latte" is a foreign-sounding word, which means that it's definitely inferior to the American equivalent and probably homosexual as well.
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Ghost of Reagan Past posted:I don't know what happened to make lattes the item of scorn...anyone know? It took the Europeans to create the Latte, and it took some AMERICANS in Seattle to turn it into a billion dollar, 20,000 store, worldwide EMPIRE. Actually they're quite american if you think about it. I've yet to meet anyone who doesn't drink from there or their competitors (McDonalds, Panera). FuzzySkinner fucked around with this message at 01:04 on May 8, 2014 |
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Ghost of Reagan Past posted:I don't know what happened to make lattes the item of scorn...anyone know? They tend to be associated with overpaid neurotic yuppies who get them every day in the morning from Starbucks and sip them while driving their Prius/Volvo/Non-American Car to their lah-dee-dah white collar job. Unlike True Americans who eat several pounds of eggs and bacon every morning with strong black coffee before getting to work on their horse farm or whatever. Culture War bullshit in other words.
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Rush Limbaugh should start a diet advice blogquote:RUSH: How many of you believe that eating eggs and mayonnaise and steak and other high fat foods is a no-no, shouldn't do it. It's gonna lead to obesity -- fat, if you're in Rio Linda. It's gonna lead to cholesterol. It's gonna lead to clogged arteries. It's gonna lead to your death, prematurely. You shouldn't get anywhere near it. How many of you believe it? I would venture to say almost everybody believes it, even the people who eat the stuff and they're willing to take the risk. I think probably everybody simple because this has been told to us for a hundred years, or whatever is our entire lives. We've all been told that that stuff is just, "Aw, gee, you don't want it." I only took one semester of Nutrition Science but the take home point was: everything in moderation. Limbaugh seems to be saying "schedule an appointment with your doctor so you can curse them as a human being liberal elitist in between bites of your KFC doubledown" which is absolutely awful dietary advice. I mean, just look at him.
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FuzzySkinner posted:I'm rather terrified to think how BAD American Culture would be if these people had their way. This duck dynasty poo poo is even dumber then usual. The Duck Dynasty people portray themselves as a bunch of unkempt redneck woodsmen right? These business class suburbanites couldn't be farther from them if they tried. Complaining about lattes, loving coffee and milk, being hoity toity is also stupid as hell.
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Expect this to start appearing on talk radio tomorrow between Bengazi Committee conversations.http://www.mediaite.com/online/house-oversight-committee-votes-to-hold-lois-lerner-in-contempt/ posted:The House of Representatives voted 231-187 tonight to hold former IRS official Lois Lerner in contempt of Congress, weeks after the House Oversight Committee voted to bring the contempt charge to the House floor. The point of contention is whether Lerner waived her Fifth Amendment rights during hearings into IRS political targeting.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Science Fridays on NPR is basically that. Has Science Friday gotten better? I listened to it for a while a few years ago, and I had to give up. It was mostly just reading science headlines and giving extremely softball interviews to people trying to hock their new sciencey book. There was absolutely zero journalistic or critical merit to any of it. The show seemed to just take everything at face value in a way that I would say is quite misleading if you are not already familiar with the topics being discussed. I really don't understand why people like it so much, but maybe it's gotten better.
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More importantly, coffee was heavily associated with Salons in France and the Beat movement in the US. Because the Hippie Generation grew up to vote for Reagan, the Grunge movement found a lot of authenticity in the Beat movement. It had already been going on for a while, within movements like New Wave in the '80s and the synthesis would eventually become "Emo". Traditionally, they drank poo poo-sludge coffee with cigarettes, as is proper. But like the modern Hipster movements, the quest for authenticity has been a defining feature of the American experience since the 1955 "Man in the Gray Flannel Suit". Due to post-War exposure to France there was already an idea of "fancy-foo-foo" French coffee. This is kind of funny, since the super-foo-foo ultra dark roasts were originally designed to hide the piss-poor quality of the coffee (that is why you can extend your meager piss-poor coffee supply by supplementing with chicory -- what you taste isn't real flavor, it is "burnt"). Super dark roasts also had a robust tradition in Italy and Italy didn't have the stigma that France did/does. So counter-culturals drank "fancy" coffee and since homosexuality was counter-cultural by the transitive property fancy coffee is queer and bad. If you can't justify it with a war story, you shouldn't be drinking it! Now this brings us back to the whole "Grunge" thing. Once again, let's go back in time to the Ramones. The Ramones wanted to be a pop band, they wanted to be the next Beatles (and who can blame them?). They also had some rather . . . odd ideas, like "de-Bluesifying Rock", which should give modern listeners some pause. This contrasts with the Sex Pistols who were transparently created to appeal to a certain sort of cultural outrage and the Clash who actually had something to say. The Clash was the "Most Important Band in the World" in the same way that they NWA was the "Black CNN". Grunge is very much in the Ramones tradition: seeking authenticity by rejecting historical roots and trying to grab money money money. That's cool. If I lived in Seattle, I'd probably also be depressed and develop a heroin addiction. And if I had a heroin addiction, I would be very keen on earning as much money as humanly possible so I could feed that addiction. Booze is cheap and readily available. Slackers like Fitzgerald knocked out like 1.5 novels worth reading. Who cares? The Grunge culture of Seattle was a place where coffee could get rebranded. It wasn't some shallow aping of French culture, it was introducing the Italian way of doing things. The French are gays with berets and striped shirts and mimes. Italians, on the other hand, are real men. It's a fine narrative but late '80s, early '90s saw the rise of Rap/Hip-Hop within the white community. All of a sudden, Italians were as white as the Irish! Importantly, they weren't French since French and American Nationalism regularly butt heads and it remains an issue to this day ("Freedom Fries" isn't that long ago, and other examples abound). But within the cash-driven Grunge movement there still were plenty of demographics that would respond well to Italian coffees. It also happened to be the biggest demographic ever: the Boomers. I'm 31 and I think I speak for a lot of people from my generation who associate Italian food with shittastic chains. But in the same way that Chop-Suey was all the rage in the '20s, Italian food was an exotic form of cultivation. Rather than hitch their wagon to French coffee and any given counter-cultural movement of the moment, why not provide a place where you can get that exclusive drink your father always knew how to order at the end of the meal (like a boss) and make it so that even you can order it like a boss. This ties in with the slightly obscure nomenclature that Starbucks uses. Early '90s comedians would bitch about how obscure Starbuck's menu is, to the point where you could fold in Jerry Seinfeld by hacking it up and saying, "What is the deal with airplane food?" or "What is the deal with coffee?" But passive-aggressive correction was part of the point. For the target audience, they wanted some alienation since they could never full understand what their father went through while deployed abroad. 'Course there are also a lot of Boomers that grew up with fathers who returned from the War and never spoke about it. They drink their sludge-coffee, probably supplemented with something else. They'd also do weird poo poo like angrily wake up the whole family at 3AM, demand they all load into the car and then drive the car around the block until it ran out of gas and have them push it home before happily waving them off to school the next morning with a smile. But most of those Boomers knew somebody whose Dad would talk about French coffee, French wine and the Eiffel Tower instead of shutting down and having everyone go for a drive at 3AM.
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SpiderHyphenMan posted:Non-American spotted! I don't know what the gently caress happened to the rest of my post. I posted it. Honest.
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Intel&Sebastian posted:True, but at the same time I have to wonder what they could've done with the time, money and effort spent on a focus group (AKA those things that ruin everything) and a campaign to change a vocab word if they applied it towards a less abstract effort. Personally I just don't put that much stock into the idea that something like that is causing a major disruption. It strikes me as the same thinking that leads people to think Romney is about to run the table because people at his last rally looked real hyped up. http://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=%22job%20creators%22 And the timing of this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_debt-ceiling_crisis_of_2011 I think their 1984 Newspeak bullshit can have profound effects on short term policy results and it does not seem to take much effort beyond planting some stories in the news and going on talk shows to sputter whatever the trigger word or euphemism of the day is.
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kik2dagroin posted:Rush Limbaugh should start a diet advice blog I'm cool with Rush piling doughnuts into his maw until his heart has a chance to do it's patriotic duty and explode.
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When you post these Limbaugh transcripts I usually read a paragraph or two then scroll past another 5 screens worth to find he's still just saying the same words at the end. That guy can really blabber, man  He's like a slow-motion bullshit auctioneer.
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http://www.amazon.com/God-Less-America-Stories-Traditional/dp/1621365913 FWIW I found the guy's book. It seems to focus on the Chick-Fil-a thing. What's amazing is how they're so able to shift victomhood around on themselves.. Chapters include: "The War on Christianity" (Yeah there's some pretty awful poo poo that happens over in Africa...oh wait, you're talking about America? Go gently caress yourself). "Chick-fil-a: A Gospel Bird" "So Absurd It could be true:, "The Gospel According to Barack Obama" "Gay Rights V. Religious Rights" "Macy's Kinky Thanksgiving Day Parade" "So Absurd it could be true: "The Interspecies Marriage act of 2025" "Why does the NFL hate Tim Tebow?" (Spoiler Alert: They don't). "So Absurd it could be true: The Happy Valley Church of Harmonius Hypocrisy" "One Nation Under Allah" "Meth Addicts are fine, but not homeschooling" "Nazi's, Communist and the USA" He's allegedly a "Humorist".
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Ghost of Reagan Past posted:I don't know what happened to make lattes the item of scorn...anyone know?  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4-vEwD_7Hk
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