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Man, I certainly didn't expect any marvel Boy connections. I never cared much for that mini, but I do think Midas is an awesome design. First issue was okay, mostly setup, but a nice pace and Aaron writes some good, mysterious prose. I'm definitely intrigued.
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It wasn't a bad first issue, but there aren't many Marvel event books that have bad first issues. It's usually down to whether they can stick the landing.
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What would be the Heroes/Villains list of suspects to be able to take down the Watcher? Heroes: Pretty much all the Avengers/New Avengers, Fantastic Four, Guardians of the Galaxy, Starjammers, SWORD, X-Men, Loki: Agent of Asgard, Thunderbolts and Black Bolt. Villains: Hydra/AIM, Disciples of Apocalypse, Srulls, Badoon, Spartax, Intelligencia(?), Midas, Exterminatrix and of course Dr. Doom and Maximus the Mad. Dark horse I would think that it's Nick Fury to be the mastermind doing something like this in order to do some greater good by doing something heinous first. Jiro fucked around with this message at 23:39 on May 7, 2014 |
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May 7, 2014 23:01
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It's going to be Nick Fury as the master mind, who needs the Watcher's Eyes to do his job and save the universe, enlisting the aid of villains to throw the scent off. Who killed the Watcher though? That'd be triggerman and agent, Uncle Ben. Wait till you see what Agent Stacy's been up to. Basically if they died and were important, Nick's been using them as agents. Their bodies? LMDs.
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May 8, 2014 02:26
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Gatts posted:It's going to be Nick Fury as the master mind, who needs the Watcher's Eyes to do his job and save the universe, enlisting the aid of villains to throw the scent off. Who killed the Watcher though? That'd be triggerman and agent, Uncle Ben. Wait till you see what Agent Stacy's been up to. Basically if they died and were important, Nick's been using them as agents. Their bodies? LMDs. I would be fine with all of this.
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May 8, 2014 02:42
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Guys. I'm pretty new at this. What's the deal with those gray things that seem to have developed self awareness via the watcher's eyeball? I get that they used to be mindless monsters, and aren't enjoying the whole "conscious thought" thing very much, but I feel like there's some history I'm missing. Also - who is Dr. Midas, and why are we speculating that he's involved? Based upon a google search, I've gathered that he's a dude who knows how to rock a chunky golden suit of armor. On another note - did anyone else get a free bouncy watcher eyeball from their comic shop? Or did (oh poo poo SPOILERS?!) my comic book guy kill Uatu?
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May 8, 2014 03:04
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Those are the Mindless Ones, residents of another dimension. And yes, your shop guy is the killer.
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May 8, 2014 03:20
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A_Ruse! posted:Guys. I'm pretty new at this. What's the deal with those gray things that seem to have developed self awareness via the watcher's eyeball? I get that they used to be mindless monsters, and aren't enjoying the whole "conscious thought" thing very much, but I feel like there's some history I'm missing. They're called the Mindless Ones. They're mindless, super-strong creatures from the Dark Dimension who are usually used as grunts by Dr. Strange's adversary Dormammu. quote:Also - who is Dr. Midas, and why are we speculating that he's involved? Based upon a google search, I've gathered that he's a dude who knows how to rock a chunky golden suit of armor. Dr. Midas is the villain from a well-regarded miniseries from 2000 called Marvel Boy by Grant Morrison. Morrison has a tendency to write really cool, original poo poo for Marvel and DC that is then rarely, if ever, brought up ever again. Midas and his daughter Oubliette are in that pile. Oubliette recently showed up in Young Avengers, but she was just a fake created out of magic meant to gently caress with Marvel Boy. Dr. Midas was a mad scientist whose deal was that he claimed to be an amazing opportunist who could turn any situation to his use. In the end, he was defeated by Marvel Boy and stranded in the Dark Dimension, where he was seemingly doomed to be murdered by a bunch of Mindless Ones. Oubliette and Midas have shown up on future covers of Original Sin. Considering the Mindless Ones are being used as henchmen and one of the perps is a woman with red hair (almost definitely Oubliette), it's safe to say that Midas is in some level of command. It turns out he WAS able to use the Mindless Ones to his advantage after all. The guy talking to Oubliette on that last page appears to be the Orb, an old Ghost Rider villain who has been popping up throughout Jason Aaron's Marvel work. His head is a giant eyeball and he wets the bed. Gavok fucked around with this message at 04:04 on May 8, 2014 |
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May 8, 2014 04:00
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1st issue I suppose but I'm really not feeling this event. Is it an event? Or is it just a kind of smaller level storyline. It should pick up when revelations start coming out but I'm not really enthralled. The Avengers and New Avengers by Hickman on the other hand rocks the gently caress out.
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May 8, 2014 04:09
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I thought when you pulled the trigger of the Ultimate Nullifier, it destroyed EVERYTHING. There are degrees, I guess? Really solid issue overall though.
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May 8, 2014 04:14
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E the Shaggy posted:I thought when you pulled the trigger of the Ultimate Nullifier, it destroyed EVERYTHING. There are degrees, I guess? I think there needs to be an intelligence behind it for it to be effective. And with the Mindless One's newly emerging mind he might not have been able to use it properly.
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May 8, 2014 04:18
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I might have missed this but...why the gently caress would you give a Mindless One the Ultimate Nullifier? Or did he sort of wander out with it after ransacking the Watcher's place?
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Gatts posted:I might have missed this but...why the gently caress would you give a Mindless One the Ultimate Nullifier? Or did he sort of wander out with it after ransacking the Watcher's place? Did you read the #0? The Watcher had an arsenal of the most powerful weapons in the universe hidden in his compound. Whomever shot him probably took those weapons as they pointed out the place had been ransacked.
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May 8, 2014 04:25
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I guess that was an excuse to take the Nullifier off the table. It takes away from all the other crazy poo poo Midas and the rest have stolen.
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May 8, 2014 04:28
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Rhyno posted:I think there needs to be an intelligence behind it for it to be effective. And with the Mindless One's newly emerging mind he might not have been able to use it properly. Right; pretty sure the baseline is it just destroys the user and the target. In this case that's six to one, half a dozen to the other.
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May 8, 2014 04:31
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Rhyno posted:Did you read the #0? The Watcher had an arsenal of the most powerful weapons in the universe hidden in his compound. Whomever shot him probably took those weapons as they pointed out the place had been ransacked. No, I didn't read #0 and #1 already explains what happened but what I mean is whoever is the mastermind behind taking those weapons, why would they let a Mindless One walk around with a Nullifier? What if it points it at the Earth they're on or something? But I should get #0 then too.
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Gatts posted:No, I didn't read #0 and #1 already explains what happened but what I mean is whoever is the mastermind behind taking those weapons, why would they let a Mindless One walk around with a Nullifier? What if it points it at the Earth they're on or something? But I should get #0 then too. It's the first of 8 issues dude, isn't it possible that they'll reveal why it had the Nullifier later?
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May 8, 2014 04:32
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Rhyno posted:It's the first of 8 issues dude, isn't it possible that they'll reveal why it had the Nullifier later?  It's like the time I was disappointed we didn't get a good Thor vs Sentry fight after the first issue of Siege and d00gZ was like "WTF is wrong with you? They're gonna have a fight in the climax. Duh."I'm not angry or critical or something though. More amused.
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May 8, 2014 04:43
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Expecting a fight like that in issue one is pretty unreasonable, to be fair.
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Gatts posted:
This is Jason Aaron, not Bendis. I'm not worried.
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May 8, 2014 04:47
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I'm kinda worried because events bring the worst in people, but so far it's pretty good. Really enjoyed the bear talk at first, and all the odd parings are interesting. Were Gamora and T'challa dead at some point? Because everyone else that's been hired has been dead at some point and that might be a thing.
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ArmyOfMidgets posted:I'm kinda worried because events bring the worst in people, but so far it's pretty good. Really enjoyed the bear talk at first, and all the odd parings are interesting. Gamora was dead, her current body isn't even her original. I know T'Challa was assumed to be dead at one point.
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May 8, 2014 06:17
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Emma was never dead.
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Codependent Poster posted:Emma was never dead. Her body was shattered, pretty close to death.
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Rhyno posted:Her body was shattered, pretty close to death. Also wasn't she killed by a sentinel in 280 before she took over Iceman's mind.
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bobkatt013 posted:Also wasn't she killed by a sentinel in 280 before she took over Iceman's mind. Yeah, she's come close to death a bunch so she qualifies.
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May 8, 2014 06:44
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In all fairness, most marvel characters have been pretty dead at one point or another, if you were putting together a team of resurrected MVPs you might as well throw Thor and Iron Man on there.
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Recently in FF, there was a scene where Ant-Man bitched out Uatu for not doing anything when Stature was killed. While it being Ant-Man might be a little too easy, I expect that one of the heroes was behind Uatu's death because they think he's a piece of poo poo for not interfering. The world is full of suffering and he does nothing to stop it when he's more than capable of helping out. I'd almost think Castle would fit if it didn't involve having to work with villains.
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I just can't believe the Orb's involved with this. I mean, I get that his whole schtick is eyes, and apparently he was actually an interesting villain in Aaron's Ghost Rider, but the only thing I've seen him in was Aaron's Hulk and he was totally a gag villain that was there to get wailed on. It'd be like Paste Pot Pete enslaving Manhattan. Also the hero working with them will be revealed to be Richard Rider. The reveal will be a splash panel of him yelling at Gamora "Did no one even loving look for me?"
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You need to get your hands on Astonishing Spider-Man and Wolverine where The Orb gets some time travel gems and moves up in the world. It's kind of been a steady growth for the character throughout all of Aaron's books to just get more powerful as time goes on. Plus y'know it's a really fun book.
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Rhyno posted:Those are the Mindless Ones, residents of another dimension. And yes, your shop guy is the killer.  No minds, but instinctive rythm.  I think people give them a hard time, honestly. ShineDog fucked around with this message at 11:26 on May 8, 2014 |
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May 8, 2014 11:22
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Does Ant-Man ever do the whole travel through phone lines thing that The Atom does?
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Waterhaul posted:You need to get your hands on Astonishing Spider-Man and Wolverine where The Orb gets some time travel gems and moves up in the world. It's kind of been a steady growth for the character throughout all of Aaron's books to just get more powerful as time goes on. Also, Spider-Man and Wolverine are both in movies this month.
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Gatts posted:No, I didn't read #0 and #1 already explains what happened but what I mean is whoever is the mastermind behind taking those weapons, why would they let a Mindless One walk around with a Nullifier? What if it points it at the Earth they're on or something? But I should get #0 then too. So by the way: there's also a Marvel character named Ultimate Nullifier. Is he related to the weapon(s) at all? http://marvel.wikia.com/Ultimate_Nullifier_(Teen_Brigade)_(Earth-616) edit: VVV cool, thanks! onefish fucked around with this message at 19:04 on May 8, 2014 |
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May 8, 2014 18:56
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onefish posted:So by the way: there's also a Marvel character named Ultimate Nullifier. Is he related to the weapon(s) at all? http://marvel.wikia.com/Ultimate_Nullifier_(Teen_Brigade)_(Earth-616) His guns are styled after the original device but I don't think he's really linked to it other than naming himself after it. You should read that mini, it's excellent.
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Waterhaul posted:You need to get your hands on Astonishing Spider-Man and Wolverine where The Orb gets some time travel gems and moves up in the world. It's kind of been a steady growth for the character throughout all of Aaron's books to just get more powerful as time goes on. I got that book for five bucks at my local comic book store and it had turned into one of my favorite books in a while, and yeah The Orb is great in it. I really liked issue 0 and issue 1 of original sin. It had a good mixture of fun and serious and the weird character team ups is an interesting idea.
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Rhyno posted:Did you read the #0? The Watcher had an arsenal of the most powerful weapons in the universe hidden in his compound. Whomever shot him probably took those weapons as they pointed out the place had been ransacked. I think it was kinda implied that who shot Uatu and who ransacked his place were totally different people.
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coconono posted:I think it was kinda implied that who shot Uatu and who ransacked his place were totally different people. I hadn't even thought of this, you're completely right. I guess Mysterious Shooter and Team Ransack (who I assume to be Dr. Midas, Oubliette and Orb) each have an eye?
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I honestly through Moon Knight was talking to himself before it showed up on the ship with Bucky. I also enjoyed Cap complaining about the size of his steak and having to run it off. Also, bears. And yea, I hope it does turn out that the people who ransacked the Blue Area Fortress are not the same people who shot them, because we already know who it was and that removes all the mystery from the event.
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The most shocking twists usually come from people you don't expect. In this situation, i'm going to say Nick Fury fits that bill perfectly. He doesn't ask to go along with everyone, Cap puts him in charge, he's the exact type of guy who'd do a means justify the ends type reasoning as to why he had to kill the watcher and take one of his eyes. Calling in a second group to come ransack the place and cover his tracks is right up his alley and he can always use the out that it's another LMD gone bad like Max Fury.
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